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On April 24 2013 21:46 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:25 Savage88 wrote:It's just normal football life. Big clubs take the good players from the not so good clubs and those take the players from even worse clubs. "Not so good clubs..." Dortmund is 2-time Champion in the last 2 years and CL Winner, Idiot. Lol Dude Dortmund have 0 money....they would be fucking stupid as fuck, if they did not accept big $$s offers for their players. The reason Dortmund won the league the last time was because Bayern had a HUGE off season! Inter team fighting, players unrest and manager problems. But financially, the main reason this transfer has happened, Dortmund had no choice. The same when Lewandoski goes and the same when probably Reus and Hummels go too.
Bvb have a huge surplus of money. They are just being safe with it. They won 2 bundesligas in a row because they were amazing and went on an amazing run. The reason Bayern won this year is because they have spent a ridiculous amount of money. This transfer is going to happen because Lewy wants higher wages that bvb can, but doesn't want to pay.
Please lurk more. You have no clue what you are talking about.
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Mario Gomez has been seen in Dortmund for a medical check today.. allegedly. (Wild wild rumour that I saw today)
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On April 26 2013 03:05 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On April 24 2013 21:25 Savage88 wrote:It's just normal football life. Big clubs take the good players from the not so good clubs and those take the players from even worse clubs. "Not so good clubs..." Dortmund is 2-time Champion in the last 2 years and CL Winner, Idiot. Lol Dude Dortmund have 0 money....they would be fucking stupid as fuck, if they did not accept big $$s offers for their players. The reason Dortmund won the league the last time was because Bayern had a HUGE off season! Inter team fighting, players unrest and manager problems. But financially, the main reason this transfer has happened, Dortmund had no choice. The same when Lewandoski goes and the same when probably Reus and Hummels go too. Bvb have a huge surplus of money. They are just being safe with it. They won 2 bundesligas in a row because they were amazing and went on an amazing run. The reason Bayern won this year is because they have spent a ridiculous amount of money. This transfer is going to happen because Lewy wants higher wages that bvb can, but doesn't want to pay. Please lurk more. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Jesus christ oh mighty...i think you just typed a whole paragraph about yourself
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2013/4/24/4260184/borussia-dortmund-real-madrid-champions-league-bvb-rising-from-ashes
Just read that and then read your comment...then check who made the OP of every football based thread in the last year or so on TL.... >.< fml
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Yeah dude, you called pandy a lurker wtf. He's our cute little spokesperson. We love him.
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On April 26 2013 00:08 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:05 kyllinghest wrote:
tldr: There are brilliant tacticians, and they play an extremely important role in football. Sure there are, but tactics are not some magic sauce. Adjustments need to be made in every game. Ditti Hamman coming on wasnt a stroke of genius, he had to do it, it was a snap response. Anyone could see they were getting over run. Theres been many more chess matches and much better ones not involving Benitez (lol), and brilliant tacticians tend to remain brilliant, If anything he was better at Valencia when he was still being.. o whats that thing people like to say "figured out." how do you explain some of the stuff Benitez has done recently or near his end at Mersey? Hes a pocket strat man. His teams are organized (usually) and hes pretty good at drilling discipline but off the cuff adjustments are not hard for even a spectactor to notice. And there is no mystery to them. That was all I was trying to say. Consistently good managers tactically would be your Van Gaal, Hitzfelds and sadly Mourinho. WIth the exception of Hitzfeld I thorougly dislike the other 2 on a more personal level.
There is a fundamentel difference in how we view football mate, I think I'll just agree to disagree.
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On April 26 2013 04:53 Pandemona wrote:Ahahaha <3 Steveling http://www.schwatzgelb.de/3737.htmlOh and you can look at that too if you want....Dortmund struggling to make repayments!
So did you actually read that article, or did you just google something like "Borussia Dortmund debt" and link the first thing that looked real? It's almost a decade old. Let's pull up some pre-Abramovich Chelsea articles...I think they are a pretty accurate representation of the club's finances today.
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On April 26 2013 05:45 city42 wrote:So did you actually read that article, or did you just google something like "Borussia Dortmund debt" and link the first thing that looked real? It's almost a decade old. Let's pull up some pre-Abramovich Chelsea articles...I think they are a pretty accurate representation of the club's finances today.
Yeah that one a friend just linked me i didn't read it, and he said after he linked it oh wait that one is old XD
But the first link still has justification =P
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On April 26 2013 05:58 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:45 city42 wrote:On April 26 2013 04:53 Pandemona wrote:Ahahaha <3 Steveling http://www.schwatzgelb.de/3737.htmlOh and you can look at that too if you want....Dortmund struggling to make repayments! So did you actually read that article, or did you just google something like "Borussia Dortmund debt" and link the first thing that looked real? It's almost a decade old. Let's pull up some pre-Abramovich Chelsea articles...I think they are a pretty accurate representation of the club's finances today. Yeah that one a friend just linked me i didn't read it, and he said after he linked it oh wait that one is old XD But the first link still has justification =P
The first link is a fan-written article. What makes it more authoritative than someone posting on teamliquid?
The Bundesliga has a new lucrative TV deal coming and Dortmund will be getting a king's ransom from this CL run, along with the transfer fee for Götze. They may not be PSG, but saying they have no money is silly. They can get anyone they want. I would expect them go to after someone like Isco to replace Götze this summer.
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On April 26 2013 03:29 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 03:05 nitram wrote:On April 24 2013 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On April 24 2013 21:25 Savage88 wrote:It's just normal football life. Big clubs take the good players from the not so good clubs and those take the players from even worse clubs. "Not so good clubs..." Dortmund is 2-time Champion in the last 2 years and CL Winner, Idiot. Lol Dude Dortmund have 0 money....they would be fucking stupid as fuck, if they did not accept big $$s offers for their players. The reason Dortmund won the league the last time was because Bayern had a HUGE off season! Inter team fighting, players unrest and manager problems. But financially, the main reason this transfer has happened, Dortmund had no choice. The same when Lewandoski goes and the same when probably Reus and Hummels go too. Bvb have a huge surplus of money. They are just being safe with it. They won 2 bundesligas in a row because they were amazing and went on an amazing run. The reason Bayern won this year is because they have spent a ridiculous amount of money. This transfer is going to happen because Lewy wants higher wages that bvb can, but doesn't want to pay. Please lurk more. You have no clue what you are talking about. Jesus christ oh mighty...i think you just typed a whole paragraph about yourself http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2013/4/24/4260184/borussia-dortmund-real-madrid-champions-league-bvb-rising-from-ashesJust read that and then read your comment...then check who made the OP of every football based thread in the last year or so on TL.... >.< fml
If you make this much OPs you should read through articles as well. Dortmund has been rich since 2011. Second after Bayern and almost double than the rest in annual revenue in BL. They have enough money to pay competitive salaries even more after this years CL and sponsor runs.
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You guys are ignoring a very important fact that gives away dortmunds state.
Each year they sell off their best players.
That can possibly mean two things, either that their president/stockholders don't care for the team's prestige and want to make as much cash as possible or that the team has big debt that needs to be paid.
No other way to think around this.
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But they are still in debt....they still have debt...they still HAVE to sell their players to recoup money to repay debts and stabilize their club...this is the point im making and it is the truth >.<
Gotze sold because they have too, and they are making €37million profit on him, which goes ALONG way to helping their financial situation. Champions league money this year will be about €40million. Lewandowski is already sold too so that money which will be €40million (atleast imo) makes it €117million from champions league and transfers alone which should put Dortmund back into the clear and get them rebuilding again. But im pretty sure the money they will get they will not invest to much of it. That TV deal that you mention also will help and probably will be the transfer fund they might spend.
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On April 26 2013 04:01 Steveling wrote:
Yeah dude, you called pandy a lurker wtf. He's our cute little spokesperson. We love him.
I said lurk more. Pay closer attention.
And Pandamona has zero clue what he is talking about and backs it up with articles he didn't read. Enough said?
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On April 26 2013 06:16 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:01 Steveling wrote:
Yeah dude, you called pandy a lurker wtf. He's our cute little spokesperson. We love him. I said lurk more. Pay closer attention. And Pandamona has zero clue what he is talking about and backs it up with articles he didn't read. Enough said?
Dude WTF.
Read the post above this and tell me it is wrong or false. If you think that then you have no clue
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On April 26 2013 06:15 Pandemona wrote:
But they are still in debt....they still have debt...they still HAVE to sell their players to recoup money to repay debts and stabilize their club...this is the point im making and it is the truth >.<
Gotze sold because they have too, and they are making €37million profit on him, which goes ALONG way to helping their financial situation. Champions league money this year will be about €40million. Lewandowski is already sold too so that money which will be €40million (atleast imo) makes it €117million from champions league and transfers alone which should put Dortmund back into the clear and get them rebuilding again. But im pretty sure the money they will get they will not invest to much of it. That TV deal that you mention also will help and probably will be the transfer fund they might spend.
Gotze was sold because of a transfer clause. Once again, you are dead wrong. Just stop. You can no clue about BVB's finances.
Also you have no clue how finances even work. There are many teams with debt. This doesn't mean they have to sell of every player they have. Or sell any player for that matter.
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On April 26 2013 06:19 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:15 Pandemona wrote:
But they are still in debt....they still have debt...they still HAVE to sell their players to recoup money to repay debts and stabilize their club...this is the point im making and it is the truth >.<
Gotze sold because they have too, and they are making €37million profit on him, which goes ALONG way to helping their financial situation. Champions league money this year will be about €40million. Lewandowski is already sold too so that money which will be €40million (atleast imo) makes it €117million from champions league and transfers alone which should put Dortmund back into the clear and get them rebuilding again. But im pretty sure the money they will get they will not invest to much of it. That TV deal that you mention also will help and probably will be the transfer fund they might spend. Gotze was sold because of a transfer clause. Once again, you are dead wrong. Just stop. You can no clue about BVB's finances.
OMG . Please stop posting spouting im wrong with just your words. You think Dortmund are this happy rich club like Bayern and have money because they won the league 2 seasons ago...and continue to sell their best players! Lol. The reason that release clause is in their is because they agree'd it for two reasons. 1 Gotze didn't think Dortmund would become a force to be reckoned with and wanted an easy escape option and 2 Dortmund agree'd to this knowing they would get top $$ for him if not they can keep him to rebuild their team. THEY WERE HAPPY knowing this, the reason both parties signed the contract! It is the same with basically ALL Benfica and Porto players, who are another two good solid clubs in Europe who are feeder clubs for the rest! They even do it with their managers now after Mourinho and AVB!! Stop with the BM towards people who don't agree with your statements and then pull out ridiculous comments about people who you don't even know. No one has ever even seen you comment in this thread before >.<
OMG "you have no clue how debt works" ARE YOU KIDDING ME...jesus christ...YES most clubs through out Europe run with debt, but not STUPID uncontrollable €100million + debts..thats when you have issues with interest payments being stupidly high...Like i said this season with the mass of money they will be getting in from Transfers (again..) and champions league money and the new TV deal in Germany they will be slashing that debt probably by 75% and will be fine....but as of now THEY ARE NOT out of the woods and need to sell. Hense Gotze contract release clause and them happy to sell and Lewandowski following him out the door, who knows maybe more sales might come in the summer...
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But you not read the reports? The agent said in "the bild" that it is a done deal, Dortmund are happy and the deal is agreed. Lewandowski has already signed. According to the agent i know, but i would say that is pretty good word to take. I only linked the other day a quote from Guillem Ballague (yes he is only a press guy, but he follows Pep so much) that Lewandowski was a done deal with a club..which he believes to be Bayern Munchen aswell. And i have to say, im pretty sure Dortmund would not HAPPILY let a player go for free which they can make €40million off quite easily....and have that money to reinvest in the squad or financially stabilize it...would be awful business
Barthel is quoted as telling Sport Bild: "We are in agreement with a club and have the right to change this summer. All the claims of Dortmund are met."
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On April 26 2013 06:15 Pandemona wrote:
But they are still in debt....they still have debt...they still HAVE to sell their players to recoup money to repay debts and stabilize their club...this is the point im making and it is the truth >.<
Gotze sold because they have too, and they are making €37million profit on him, which goes ALONG way to helping their financial situation. Champions league money this year will be about €40million. Lewandowski is already sold too so that money which will be €40million (atleast imo) makes it €117million from champions league and transfers alone which should put Dortmund back into the clear and get them rebuilding again. But im pretty sure the money they will get they will not invest to much of it. That TV deal that you mention also will help and probably will be the transfer fund they might spend.
Not at all. Götze is a completely different situation from Sahin and Kagawa. They let those 2 guys leave because they didn't need them. Gündogan is better than Sahin and the incoming Reus was better than Kagawa. Götze would only sign a new contract if they put a buyout clause in it, so their hands are tied. Lewandowski will only be sold if they feel they can find a suitable replacement this summer (perhaps Dzeko or Negredo). If they can't replace him, Dortmund will gladly let Lewandowski's contract run out and have him leave for free.
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On April 26 2013 06:15 Steveling wrote:
You guys are ignoring a very important fact that gives away dortmunds state.
Each year they sell off their best players.
That can possibly mean two things, either that their president/stockholders don't care for the team's prestige and want to make as much cash as possible or that the team has big debt that needs to be paid.
No other way to think around this.
Then you are the one that's ignorant of BVB's situation and how football even works. They sell players who want to leave for higher wages, better leagues and to join teams with higher prestige.
Two years ago they sold Sahin because he wanted to leave, and with that money they bought Gundogan and Perisic. Do you recognize Gundogan? That really good DM they have thats even better than Sahin now.
Last year they sold Kagawa who has always said he wanted to play in the Premiere league. What did BVB do with the money? They bought Reus for practically the same amount.
Wy do you guys pretend like you know everything about every club? I have been following bvb for a long time. The things you guys say make me facepalm.
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On April 26 2013 06:15 Pandemona wrote:
But they are still in debt....they still have debt...they still HAVE to sell their players to recoup money to repay debts and stabilize their club...this is the point im making and it is the truth >.<
Gotze sold because they have too, and they are making €37million profit on him, which goes ALONG way to helping their financial situation. Champions league money this year will be about €40million. Lewandowski is already sold too so that money which will be €40million (atleast imo) makes it €117million from champions league and transfers alone which should put Dortmund back into the clear and get them rebuilding again. But im pretty sure the money they will get they will not invest to much of it. That TV deal that you mention also will help and probably will be the transfer fund they might spend.
You really believe Dortmund will get 40mil for Lewandowski? His contract expires in 2014. For any club, that money will be much better spent on other quality strikers... I like Dortmund and Lewy, but I really think 40mil is too much of an exaggeration even with a super hattrick against Real Madrid on his resume. Hell Robin Van Persie moved to Man United, Arsenal's league rival for 24mil GBP I believe.
That being said, if the proceeds from the sale of Lewandowski and Gotze go into obtaining another reliable pair of feet up front like Edin Dzeko (who was lightly linked with Dortmund earlier this season) and another midfielder, I can see Dortmund still giving Bayern something to sweat about next season.
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