On April 25 2013 20:25 Stimp wrote: The retrospective ban is useless to the team who got screwed because of it. Chelsea wont get the 2 vital points back, and the only teams who benefit is the next 10 teams suarez can't play against. Liverpool got punished but Chelsea don't get any compensation. Before you say chelsea bias, this can relate to any team.
It's kind of hard to feel hard done by when Suarez's bite had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever. Although I do agree, the lack of retroactive action when goals are scored by handball/ clear offside/ a foul that injures a player but is not picked up is a bit galling.
Well it did change the game, because if the ref saw what we saw on the TV he would of been shown a red card. Thus Liverpool down to 10men and they don't score a 2nd goal...in fact Chelsea might of been able to get a 3rd or 4th...who knows. It's violent conduct thats why he got the 10game ban, due to the sheer violent nature. This is going to cost Chelsea so deerly, it basically means we MUST beat Tottenham at home or draw to spurs at home and get atleast 1 point at Old Trafford...
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
"We know everything, we know absolutely everything about Lewandowski." "We gave him a big support for him to be the man of the match."
He goes on to mention the first goal exactly as you stated, too.
So he's bashing his players pretty hard there Is he tired of them? Or is it classic Mourinho's psychological next level trick to motivate them into a 'remontada' next week?
On April 25 2013 20:25 Stimp wrote: The retrospective ban is useless to the team who got screwed because of it. Chelsea wont get the 2 vital points back, and the only teams who benefit is the next 10 teams suarez can't play against. Liverpool got punished but Chelsea don't get any compensation. Before you say chelsea bias, this can relate to any team.
It's kind of hard to feel hard done by when Suarez's bite had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever. Although I do agree, the lack of retroactive action when goals are scored by handball/ clear offside/ a foul that injures a player but is not picked up is a bit galling.
Look who scored the equaliser... someone who shouldn't have been on the field at the time. Also 10 v 11 etc all that.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
So he's bashing his players pretty hard there Is he tired of them? Or is it classic Mourinho's psychological next level trick to motivate them into a 'remontada' next week?
Well he's allowed to bash them. It's not like barca's players who have grown tired of cups and awards and stuff and are now in decline, RM's players should be hungry and motivated and they certainly don't look the part.
He also could assume his own mistakes sometimes... Anyway he never talks about anything related to football in press conference, except for bashing his players (to motivate them most of the times, see Benzema, Ramos, etc..
On April 25 2013 20:25 Stimp wrote: The retrospective ban is useless to the team who got screwed because of it. Chelsea wont get the 2 vital points back, and the only teams who benefit is the next 10 teams suarez can't play against. Liverpool got punished but Chelsea don't get any compensation. Before you say chelsea bias, this can relate to any team.
It's kind of hard to feel hard done by when Suarez's bite had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever. Although I do agree, the lack of retroactive action when goals are scored by handball/ clear offside/ a foul that injures a player but is not picked up is a bit galling.
Look who scored the equaliser... someone who shouldn't have been on the field at the time. Also 10 v 11 etc all that.
I still don't feel the point holds much weight. We got drawn fair and square. That was Chelsea's game to win and we failed. If Suarez had been sent off, it would have been lucky for us. Think about it - there's nothing more lucky than an opponent getting sent off for doing something stupid that in no way hurts or injures any of your players or in any way benefits his team. It was an incredible goal. And I don't agree with the extra time thing either. The ref keeps track of any time wasted during extra time and also will usually allow a forward moving attack to continue past the absolute time limit. If the cross had been knocked out by Luiz, game would be over.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
edit: And just to respond to the Mourinho line, how many Lewandowski goals involved him running to the far post when a cross came in from the left side? If they defended the first goal properly and the game ended 3-1, would it be considered a tactical masterclass by Jose? They were completely impotent offensively and only scored because Dortmund's concentration was lost after the penalty claim.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
Essien is prefered to Arebloa now. Mourinho knows how bad Arebloa is defensively and offensively he is even poor this season. Essien played in the big games at RB (when fit, he is mr Injury since like 2009) hense he started their for the Galatasary games.
Ozil didn't get the ball because Modric couldn't get the ball due to not being strong enough to get it. Alonso wasn't ineffective, he just didn't have his best game. He had about 5-6 40yarders which he normally pings to feet go about 4-5 yards wide of their target. His set pieces also were very off the mark form crosses. You can't manage Alonso being crap that is just him not turning up. Modric thing was a suprise. DiMaria offers alot of pace on the other wing and putting Ozil as the CAM makes it a more familiar set up for Real. That is the only thing that Mourinho got wrong. Everything else was down to players just not turning up or having to put Pepe CB due to injuries. You may argue as well that Mourinho's fault (well it is pretty much) that Lopez is in goal and not Casilias who you never know might of made a few saves last night on some of the goals. How he adjusted tactically was by controlling possession and playing a deeper line. Real only had 55% possession in total which is again flawed to the Dortmund playing very well and Real not so much. Anyway, you might be right, but i want to make my judgement for now after the next game, but im pretty confident if Ramos is back CB and Pepe is back to sitting on the bench Real still have a faint hope ^_^
Transfer news: Robert Lewandowski agrees Borussia Dortmund exit, says agent
UEFA Champions League hero Robert Lewandowski has agreed a deal with another club and can leave Borussia Dortmund this summer, according to his agent.
Barthel is quoted as telling Sport Bild: "We are in agreement with a club and have the right to change this summer. All the claims of Dortmund are met."
@city42, Essien has played on the RB position a couple of times this season and actually did better than Arbeloa occasionally. And changing the central defenders is never a good idea in a big match like this, especially with Varane and Ramos performing quite well with each other. So I share Pandemona's assessment of that.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
edit: And just to respond to the Mourinho line, how many Lewandowski goals involved him running to the far post when a cross came in from the left side? If they defended the first goal properly and the game ended 3-1, would it be considered a tactical masterclass by Jose? They were completely impotent offensively and only scored because Dortmund's concentration was lost after the penalty claim.
Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
edit: And just to respond to the Mourinho line, how many Lewandowski goals involved him running to the far post when a cross came in from the left side? If they defended the first goal properly and the game ended 3-1, would it be considered a tactical masterclass by Jose? They were completely impotent offensively and only scored because Dortmund's concentration was lost after the penalty claim.
Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
Benitez was pretty sick at it. Not with Chelsea no, he isn't good when all the players in the squad are pretty good. However, with the bag of shit Liverpool team (Minus Torres and Gerrard @ the time) they were all pretty average. He made them tactically sound and they could give the top 4 (at that time) very good games, and anyone in Europe.
But i guess only really Benitez Mourinho and Alex Ferguson have ever REALLY been tactically astute xD
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
Essien is prefered to Arebloa now. Mourinho knows how bad Arebloa is defensively and offensively he is even poor this season. Essien played in the big games at RB (when fit, he is mr Injury since like 2009) hense he started their for the Galatasary games.
Ozil didn't get the ball because Modric couldn't get the ball due to not being strong enough to get it. Alonso wasn't ineffective, he just didn't have his best game. He had about 5-6 40yarders which he normally pings to feet go about 4-5 yards wide of their target. His set pieces also were very off the mark form crosses. You can't manage Alonso being crap that is just him not turning up. Modric thing was a suprise. DiMaria offers alot of pace on the other wing and putting Ozil as the CAM makes it a more familiar set up for Real. That is the only thing that Mourinho got wrong. Everything else was down to players just not turning up or having to put Pepe CB due to injuries. You may argue as well that Mourinho's fault (well it is pretty much) that Lopez is in goal and not Casilias who you never know might of made a few saves last night on some of the goals. How he adjusted tactically was by controlling possession and playing a deeper line. Real only had 55% possession in total which is again flawed to the Dortmund playing very well and Real not so much. Anyway, you might be right, but i want to make my judgement for now after the next game, but im pretty confident if Ramos is back CB and Pepe is back to sitting on the bench Real still have a faint hope ^_^
Özil didn't get the ball because there was no one to give him the ball. Having watched almost every game Modric played for Spurs, he's the last guy you want playing as a no.10. He's a deep-lying playmaker and is not very good when utilized that far forward. Xabi was completely taken out of the game because Götze refused to stay central, dragging him out to both flanks. You can look up Higuain's performance record vs. quality teams yourself...it's hideous. Starting him over Benzema is puzzling. Dortmund does most of their scoring work inside and around the area so I don't understand your point about a deeper line.
I didn't see the Real-Galatasaray games because I watched Dortmund-Malaga instead, so I concede the point about Essien. Arbeloa is indeed terrible defensively so it makes sense.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
edit: And just to respond to the Mourinho line, how many Lewandowski goals involved him running to the far post when a cross came in from the left side? If they defended the first goal properly and the game ended 3-1, would it be considered a tactical masterclass by Jose? They were completely impotent offensively and only scored because Dortmund's concentration was lost after the penalty claim.
Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
Benitez was pretty sick at it. Not with Chelsea no, he isn't good when all the players in the squad are pretty good. However, with the bag of shit Liverpool team (Minus Torres and Gerrard @ the time) they were all pretty average. He made them tactically sound and they could give the top 4 (at that time) very good games, and anyone in Europe.
But i guess only really Benitez Mourinho and Alex Ferguson have ever REALLY been tactically astute xD
Being able to get teams to play well when you have the right kind of players for your style is not being tactically astute, its tactically rigids,
Thats why for all my dislike for Mourinho he is by far the most versatile manager around. He can take any set of players and make them play any way he needs to. Fergie is similar but he also tends to have the luxury of getting players he wants.
Benitez is not particularly tactically impressive. His major successes have been riding the coat tails of an over performing Gerrard and later Torress.
On April 24 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote: Personally i think they got found out pretty quickly tactically, and i think it will show tonight tactically vs Mr Mourinho.
Found out indeed. Can you please stop posting nonsense about Bundesliga clubs now?
p.s. Mourinho's tactics were amazing as usual. Forcing Özil out wide and pushing Modric up...fantastic.
Any teams can do it for one season If Germans can do what English teams did in the mid 00s then fair enough, until then they are not AWESOME! WORLD BEATERS just yet. They are good no doubt, but Dortmund might get dismantled by the big spenders next season xD
Leaves one team to fly the flag?
Nothing you just said is relevant to your original argument at all. In what way have Dortmund's tactics been found out? In what way did Mourinho exploit this?
I thought you were just trolling. Tactics have been found out if you listened to Mourinho's comments after the game you would realize his players didn't turn up defensively. He said, we know EVERYTHING about Lewandowski, we know he runs to the far post when the cross comes in from the right foot on the left side, but we failed to defend it. We knew it was coming and didn't defend it. He then went onto to say more stuff about Lewandowski. But the reason Madrid lost was their back 4 was shocking >.< and Dortmund had a field day vs it. The game last night was won on them having to play Pepe and Varane together instead of Varane and Ramos with Essien RB.
IF Dortmund do something similar in the Bernabeau then i will say Mourinho hasn't "found them out", but as im sure Real as like Barca will be 110% better than the away legs, we cannot do anything but wait for the next 90minutes. But no questions German fans can't celebrate their domestic success at the moment!
I don't care about what Mourinho said. Mourinho also says that FIFA award voting is effectively rigged. You can say anything without proof. What I'm asking is for you to give analysis on how Mourinho adjusted to Dortmund tactically yesterday. What I saw was Götze rendering Xabi ineffective yet again, Modric and Özil being played out of position, and a bizarre decision to start Higuain, who never does anything against good teams.
Also, Arbeloa is their usual starting RB. Not sure why you are bringing up Essien.
edit: And just to respond to the Mourinho line, how many Lewandowski goals involved him running to the far post when a cross came in from the left side? If they defended the first goal properly and the game ended 3-1, would it be considered a tactical masterclass by Jose? They were completely impotent offensively and only scored because Dortmund's concentration was lost after the penalty claim.
Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
That's exactly what I want to know. According to Pandemona, Dortmund stormed the Bundesliga for 2 seasons because they had tactics that nobody could solve. This season, they have apparently been found out and thus can't do anything anymore. Never mind Bayern assembling one of the best teams in modern history, or Dortmund pouring most of their energy into the CL...it's all about Klopp's system being exploited!
On April 25 2013 22:59 Rebs wrote: Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
Are you fishing? If it was that easy I guess there is no reason to show up unless you own the best players.
On April 25 2013 22:59 Rebs wrote: Why are people talking like tactics in football are some magic mystery that needs to be decoded? Its really not that difficult to establish how teams and players like to play.
Its probably because they are so used to PL managers (with the exception of SAF) being horrible at it.
Are you fishing? If it was that easy I guess there is no reason to show up unless you own the best players.
I didnt say it was easy, with the resources available to most top clubs studying its not difficult.
Execution on the other hand is markedly more difficult but generally knowing what you need to do to give yourself the best chance to win. Sorry most top teams know that.
And please dont give me the bullshit best players argument please. This isnt pokemon or whatever that shit is..
On April 25 2013 23:09 Rebs wrote: Being able to get teams to play well when you have the right kind of players for your style is not being tactically astute, its tactically rigids,
Thats why for all my dislike for Mourinho he is by far the most versatile manager around. He can take any set of players and make them play any way he needs to. Fergie is similar but he also tends to have the luxury of getting players he wants.
Benitez is not particularly tactically impressive. His major successes have been riding the coat tails of an over performing Gerrard and later Torress.
Benitez' biggest success were no doubt his Champions League runs with Liverpool, the most impressive ones being without Torres. If you think that one man can carry a team and a manager like that I would like to add that I think you are completely wrong! Rafa Benitez is one of the most impressive tacticians out there, and my guess is that you have not seen Liverpool trash Leverkusen, who were a good side back then, you have probably not seen Liverpool walk over Inter, fight their way trough Juventus, stomp Real Madrid in whats the single greatest game of football I have ever seen from any team.
Regarding Mourinhos versatility I think you are dead wrong. I agree he is one of the best, but that is because he does things his way. His teams are always solid defensively, and they always have a lot of raw power and ability. He also always counter attacks!
On April 25 2013 23:09 Rebs wrote: Being able to get teams to play well when you have the right kind of players for your style is not being tactically astute, its tactically rigids,
Thats why for all my dislike for Mourinho he is by far the most versatile manager around. He can take any set of players and make them play any way he needs to. Fergie is similar but he also tends to have the luxury of getting players he wants.
Benitez is not particularly tactically impressive. His major successes have been riding the coat tails of an over performing Gerrard and later Torress.
Benitez' biggest success were no doubt his Champions League runs with Liverpool, the most impressive ones being without Torres. If you think that one man can carry a team and a manager like that I would like to add that I think you are completely wrong! Rafa Benitez is one of the most impressive tacticians out there, and my guess is that you have not seen Liverpool trash Leverkusen, who were a good side back then, you have probably not seen Liverpool walk over Inter, fight their way trough Juventus, stomp Real Madrid in whats the single greatest game of football I have ever seen from any team.
Dude ive been watching it since before you were probably born.
I said "later" Torres. Ergo torres was not a part of the CL run.
You want to talk about the CL run ? What tactics involve Gerrards howitzer bailing them out against the Greeks ? They would never have even made it past the group stage.
Are you talking about those games in liverpools CL run because they didnt play Madrid that year, mustve been a great game though.
I was just as happy as anyone else when they came back against "MILAN" but if anyone is putting that down to any tactical adjustment give me a freaking break. Go watch the game again.
They squeaked past Juve, Leverkusen was lets be fair not really the team they were 3 years prior, theyd been picked up apart and lost players to retirement.
I think they played Chelsea after not sure, all I really remember is that the games were super shit but thoroughly entertaining.
Every pivotal moment in that run required something special, and that special had little to do with Benitez. It was all Gerrard
Also Mourinho doesnt always "counter attacks." theres plenty of games where his teams setup offensively, you probably just havent seen any.
Just because youve seen a few classicos doesnt make him a defensive coach who counter attacks. Yes against teams he deems better than his and who can hurt them he tends to lean toward cato style and I dislike that immensely but he doesnt do that all the time.
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