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kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
September 20 2020 15:45 GMT
#1281
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?


I don't see it this way. Clem may have been all over the place but Reynor was right there with him reacting to everything. With all of Clem's moves, Reynor never really lost much. Reynor was in complete control IMO.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:45 GMT
#1282
On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all.

After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker.

The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach.

That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 20 2020 15:45 GMT
#1283
Great players, the both of them. Can't shake the feeling Clem's job seems a bit harder though
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 20 2020 15:45 GMT
#1284
That was a fantastic game with high level play on both sides - bravo!

Still, it kind of felt like the margin of error for Terran seems so small. I thought Clem had Reynor on the back foot for most of the first half of that game.

I also hate when people point out a a mistake that the Terran made as if to justify the loss - we can't expect anyone to play perfectly, especially over such a long game against such a skilled opponent. It's not like Reynor played flawlessly either
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 20 2020 15:46 GMT
#1285
On September 21 2020 00:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:
No bullshit.


I dunno, he was using Vipers. I kid I kid.

Dunno, I see them as flying Defilers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:46 GMT
#1286
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

It always was a standard: you either get an army zerg can't beat in straight engagement (and this was not the greatest approach to TvZ since 2016) or you force zerg on even economic game and beat him in trades. Clem did neither.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
September 20 2020 15:47 GMT
#1287
On September 21 2020 00:43 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:42 AttackZerg wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Starting to think I should be following the foreign scene.


Clem and Reynor are two members of a small group of foreign players that are worth following in my experience.

You COULD decide to watch entire tournaments, but the level of play is not this high for a majority of it. Only a few players are up to the level where they are consistently entertaining. There's a massive skill divide between the top players in the foreign scene and the majority.


Mostly I'm kinda exhausted by the fact that GSL has all the same players all the time. I mean, I'm rooting for Zoun as hard as anyone, but the fact that I couldn't have told you who Clem was a year ago is pretty exciting. Makes me wonder if there are young players in the foreign scene that aren't competitive now, but might be in a year or two.


We had a very exciting 14 year old Protoss player named MaxPax who caused a stir with his weird play earlier in this tournament.


That's cool, I've heard of the build named after him. I didn't know he was so young.


He is born in 2004 so either 15 or 16, there are other very good players like youngYakov or Arrogfire who is 13yo with a mmr around 5.8k and a very high apm, it is promising.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 20 2020 15:47 GMT
#1288
It has been long time haven't seen good macro TvZ games like this since Maru vs Dark (two or three years ago). You need to be both equivalence on skills so that games like this could happen once again.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
September 20 2020 15:47 GMT
#1289
On September 21 2020 00:45 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all.

After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker.

The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach.

That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already.

I thought he has been using ling/bane about equally.

My bad.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 15:49:57
September 20 2020 15:48 GMT
#1290
On September 21 2020 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
It has been long time haven't seen good macro TvZ games like this since Maru vs Dark (two or three years ago). You need to be both equivalence on skills so that games like this could happen once again.


Maru vs Dark was this year. They played a game on Golden Wall that's how recent it was.

+ Show Spoiler +
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
rayl991
Profile Joined August 2019
Afghanistan80 Posts
September 20 2020 15:48 GMT
#1291
On September 21 2020 00:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?

While Clem definitely played very well, is it called playing "better than Reynor" when entirety of your economic damage is 10 drones and 1 hatchery killed out of 8? Said frankly, Reynor just illustrated why Korean Terrans ban Golden Wall.


Terran players should just all in every game against the zerg tbh, since the game is basically gone if you do insufficient early game damage and the zerg will snowball.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:48 GMT
#1292
On September 21 2020 00:47 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:45 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all.

After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker.

The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach.

That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already.

I thought he has been using ling/bane about equally.

My bad.

To be specific the style is ling/bane into straight hive transition where he starts to add hydras into lurker/viper addition.

This game he just added hydras a bit earlier.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
September 20 2020 15:49 GMT
#1293
I forsee this going 3-0 Reynor seems to be catching up to Clem's playstyle, he just needs to stop him enough for the economy to kick in.
miniskirt
Profile Joined December 2012
France487 Posts
September 20 2020 15:50 GMT
#1294
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


And then proceeded to win 90 % of the fights.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 20 2020 15:50 GMT
#1295
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 20 2020 15:52 GMT
#1296
On September 21 2020 00:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.

not true 2013 and 2014 parade pushes from Terran could do wonders against Zerg even from behind and it was way more rewarding for Terrans who kept the zerg on their toes
Faker is the GOAT!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 20 2020 15:53 GMT
#1297
GO CLEM GO
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Javah
Profile Joined August 2010
France739 Posts
September 20 2020 15:53 GMT
#1298
Godlike target fire while dealing with runby O.O
⚀⚅
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 20 2020 15:53 GMT
#1299
Well, Clem is certainly doing economic damage this time around
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10102 Posts
September 20 2020 15:53 GMT
#1300
what a comeback.. lets go Clem finish this a tie the series
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
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