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On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
I don't see it this way. Clem may have been all over the place but Reynor was right there with him reacting to everything. With all of Clem's moves, Reynor never really lost much. Reynor was in complete control IMO.
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On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all. After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker. The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach.
That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already.
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Great players, the both of them. Can't shake the feeling Clem's job seems a bit harder though
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That was a fantastic game with high level play on both sides - bravo!
Still, it kind of felt like the margin of error for Terran seems so small. I thought Clem had Reynor on the back foot for most of the first half of that game.
I also hate when people point out a a mistake that the Terran made as if to justify the loss - we can't expect anyone to play perfectly, especially over such a long game against such a skilled opponent. It's not like Reynor played flawlessly either
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On September 21 2020 00:44 Vindicare605 wrote:I dunno, he was using Vipers. I kid I kid.
Dunno, I see them as flying Defilers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay? As a terran I know your pain. Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind... The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho
It always was a standard: you either get an army zerg can't beat in straight engagement (and this was not the greatest approach to TvZ since 2016) or you force zerg on even economic game and beat him in trades. Clem did neither.
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On September 21 2020 00:43 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:42 AttackZerg wrote:On September 21 2020 00:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 21 2020 00:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 21 2020 00:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Starting to think I should be following the foreign scene. Clem and Reynor are two members of a small group of foreign players that are worth following in my experience. You COULD decide to watch entire tournaments, but the level of play is not this high for a majority of it. Only a few players are up to the level where they are consistently entertaining. There's a massive skill divide between the top players in the foreign scene and the majority. Mostly I'm kinda exhausted by the fact that GSL has all the same players all the time. I mean, I'm rooting for Zoun as hard as anyone, but the fact that I couldn't have told you who Clem was a year ago is pretty exciting. Makes me wonder if there are young players in the foreign scene that aren't competitive now, but might be in a year or two. We had a very exciting 14 year old Protoss player named MaxPax who caused a stir with his weird play earlier in this tournament. That's cool, I've heard of the build named after him. I didn't know he was so young.
He is born in 2004 so either 15 or 16, there are other very good players like youngYakov or Arrogfire who is 13yo with a mmr around 5.8k and a very high apm, it is promising.
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It has been long time haven't seen good macro TvZ games like this since Maru vs Dark (two or three years ago). You need to be both equivalence on skills so that games like this could happen once again.
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On September 21 2020 00:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all. After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker. The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach. That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already.
I thought he has been using ling/bane about equally.
My bad.
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On September 21 2020 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
It has been long time haven't seen good macro TvZ games like this since Maru vs Dark (two or three years ago). You need to be both equivalence on skills so that games like this could happen once again.
Maru vs Dark was this year. They played a game on Golden Wall that's how recent it was.
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On September 21 2020 00:44 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay? While Clem definitely played very well, is it called playing "better than Reynor" when entirety of your economic damage is 10 drones and 1 hatchery killed out of 8? Said frankly, Reynor just illustrated why Korean Terrans ban Golden Wall.
Terran players should just all in every game against the zerg tbh, since the game is basically gone if you do insufficient early game damage and the zerg will snowball.
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On September 21 2020 00:47 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 21 2020 00:44 AttackZerg wrote:On September 21 2020 00:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
It is totally shocking that Reynor has been this patient and is now reaping the benefits. This is not his usual style at all. After watching Serral v Clem, Reynor came to the same conclusion as me, hydralling/viper/lurker. The special thing he did, he constantly over droned by 15 drones expecting to lose them. Very ballsy approach. That's what Reynor have been primarily doing in ZvT for months already. I thought he has been using ling/bane about equally. My bad.
To be specific the style is ling/bane into straight hive transition where he starts to add hydras into lurker/viper addition.
This game he just added hydras a bit earlier.
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I forsee this going 3-0 Reynor seems to be catching up to Clem's playstyle, he just needs to stop him enough for the economy to kick in.
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On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay? As a terran I know your pain. Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...
And then proceeded to win 90 % of the fights.
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On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay? As a terran I know your pain. Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind... The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho
That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.
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On September 21 2020 00:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay? As a terran I know your pain. Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind... The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.
not true 2013 and 2014 parade pushes from Terran could do wonders against Zerg even from behind and it was way more rewarding for Terrans who kept the zerg on their toes
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Godlike target fire while dealing with runby O.O
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Well, Clem is certainly doing economic damage this time around
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what a comeback.. lets go Clem finish this a tie the series
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