• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:41
CEST 06:41
KST 13:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou0Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four0BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET6Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech! Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy herO joins T1 Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 INu's Battles #13 - ByuN vs Zoun Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
Is there anyway to get a private coach? BW caster Sayle BSL Season 21 BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament [ASL20] Semifinal B
Strategy
[I] TvP Strategies and Build [I] TvZ Strategies and Builds Roaring Currents ASL final Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
The Chess Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1123 users

[DH Masters 2020 Fall] Season Finals - Page 66

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 105 Next
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
September 20 2020 15:53 GMT
#1301
This is much better. Late game just does not look winnable for Clem, he should strive to end it earlier. A siege unit that can instantly deploy and makes the opponent bleed minerals (he even ran out of scans several times). He cannot react in time because siege tanks, ghosts and liberators deploy so slowly.
Clément 화이팅
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33460 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 15:54:49
September 20 2020 15:54 GMT
#1302
Reynor not pre-running Drones from an obviously dead base is such an uncharacteristic mistake D:

If he had saved them he might have some borderline chance of turning this around.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 20 2020 15:55 GMT
#1303
On September 21 2020 00:52 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.

not true 2013 and 2014 parade pushes from Terran could do wonders against Zerg even from behind and it was way more rewarding for Terrans who kept the zerg on their toes

And that was always the case as well, you either do damage early, or do an all-in/timing. If you don't do enough and let him drone to 80-90, you are hardly going to win later.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2653 Posts
September 20 2020 15:55 GMT
#1304
If Clem doesn't wins here and now he is dead
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
September 20 2020 15:56 GMT
#1305
Clem is almost as good as Maru in TvZ, so impressive
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
September 20 2020 15:56 GMT
#1306
Reynor is dead. Well played by Clem.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28495 Posts
September 20 2020 15:57 GMT
#1307
Beautiful
I Protoss winner, could it be?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:57 GMT
#1308
Reynor taking lessons from Serral dying to hellbat pushes.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 20 2020 15:57 GMT
#1309
WHAT A SERIES ALLREADY
MaxPax
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-21 18:13:35
September 20 2020 15:58 GMT
#1310
Good thing about this tournament is that blizzard will probably fix lurkers.
WriterMaru
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 20 2020 15:58 GMT
#1311
Wow, these two guys are putting up an incredible series - truly the world's top players
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:58 GMT
#1312
On September 21 2020 00:52 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.

not true 2013 and 2014 parade pushes from Terran could do wonders against Zerg even from behind and it was way more rewarding for Terrans who kept the zerg on their toes

2013-2014 parade pushes were even economy trades (66 scvs+mule against ~70-75 drones), just in case you forgot.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
September 20 2020 15:58 GMT
#1313
On September 21 2020 00:57 lolfail9001 wrote:
Reynor taking lessons from Serral dying to hellbat pushes.

top zergs stealing my strats
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
September 20 2020 15:58 GMT
#1314
Yeah, ling-bane-muta vs Clem needs some tweaks.

I don't know that we have a zerg with enough speed to do that and win against clem successfully.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1315
On September 21 2020 00:58 Bagration wrote:
Wow, these two guys are putting up an incredible series - truly the world's top players


I can hear the Serral fans grumbling in protest from here.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 15:59:29
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1316
Mutas are definetly not viable vs an opponent like Clem
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 16:01:30
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1317
On September 21 2020 00:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 00:52 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:44 Lexender wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:43 heqat wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:40 Weavel wrote:
On September 21 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
anyone else frustrated that Clem payed the entire game better than Reynor but one bad fight and he is screwed?
like Reynor took maybe like 5 bad fight in the firs 5 mins but still okay?
As a terran I know your pain.


Well, they both played incredibly well. But Clem failled to do any early game damage, which put him a bit behind...


The fact that we have accepted that as the standard is such a bad sign tho

That was a standard from Brood War days unless Terran played Mech, then it was the other way around.

not true 2013 and 2014 parade pushes from Terran could do wonders against Zerg even from behind and it was way more rewarding for Terrans who kept the zerg on their toes

And that was always the case as well, you either do damage early, or do an all-in/timing. If you don't do enough and let him drone to 80-90, you are hardly going to win later.

not what I wrote though, read what I just said, I said if terran gets behind then they can still do wonders against zerg because parade push and rewarding good play. watch Polt/Bomber vs Jaedong and see how Polt rolls over Jaedong by doing similar things to what Clem did (taking good fights), look at the result of the fights
Faker is the GOAT!
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1318
Wow not gonna lie, Clem went through an amazing transformation! Who'd have thought that this little guy will be europes best terran...
miniskirt
Profile Joined December 2012
France487 Posts
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1319
On September 21 2020 00:58 Poopi wrote:
Good thing about this tournament is that blizzard will probably fix lurkers


Don't overestimate blizzard.
Self-proclaimed best Feast and Grubby fan | also MVP MMA Fantasy Polt forGG Dayshi the french hope| Leenock, the sober version of stephano and Scarlett cutiepie <3
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 15:59 GMT
#1320
On September 21 2020 00:58 AttackZerg wrote:
Yeah, ling-bane-muta vs Clem needs some tweaks.

I don't know that we have a zerg with enough speed to do that and win against clem successfully.

Serral's 2 games won vs Clem were LBM ones, just saying.

Serral died on attempt to rush to muta in last 2 games, not on LBM stage.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 105 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
LiuLi Cup #46 - Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft602
StarCraft: Brood War
sorry 114
Noble 23
Icarus 12
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K646
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox502
Mew2King0
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor104
Other Games
summit1g8672
C9.Mang0307
Trikslyr48
Tasteless14
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1214
Counter-Strike
PGL379
Other Games
BasetradeTV114
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH61
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV508
League of Legends
• Scarra1456
• Rush1179
• Lourlo806
• HappyZerGling71
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
6h 19m
Wardi Open
9h 49m
PiGosaur Monday
19h 19m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 18h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Online Event
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.