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AttackZerg
United States7499 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:59 JoeCool wrote: Wow not gonna lie, Clem went through an amazing transformation! Who'd have thought that this little guy will be europes best terran... I'm gonna go on a limb and say .... Teamliquid? =) | ||
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Xamo
Spain886 Posts
It really feels like watching Maru vs | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:55 Ramiz1989 wrote: And that was always the case as well, you either do damage early, or do an all-in/timing. If you don't do enough and let him drone to 80-90, you are hardly going to win later. Yea - I think big problem is that Blizzard for the past several years has been trying to intentionally push the metagame towards longer macro games (which by itself isn't bad), by introducing larger maps, improving early game defense (shield battery overcharge, queens). But when certain races have advantages in the late game at the highest level, that's a problem | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:58 Poopi wrote: Good thing about this tournament is that blizzard will probably fix lurkers Thats giving Blixz too much credit, considering their record. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:59 Vindicare605 wrote: I can hear the Serral fans grumbling in protest from here. Haha - no Serral would certainly be included in that top tier. I see him effectively at the same level as these guys (2-3 loss against Clem, close rivalry against Reynor) | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:58 Poopi wrote: Good thing about this tournament is that blizzard will probably fix lurkers But it is mostly Reynor using them. At the center of the problem is the queen, because it defends all early agression all the larvae are used for drones so the game doesn't kick off until the 70 drone mark. And then it snowballs from there. A weaker queen would make for more interesting games with more even economies. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:01 Bagration wrote: Haha - no Serral would certainly be included in that top tier. I see him effectively at the same level as these guys (2-3 loss against Clem, close rivalry against Reynor) On September 21 2020 00:59 Vindicare605 wrote: I can hear the Serral fans grumbling in protest from here. Serral still has a way, way, way better resume than Reynor and Clem, in fact better than the two of them combined. Also Clem plays top level SC2, but he has no trophies. so like, not really | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:01 Bagration wrote: Haha - no Serral would certainly be included in that top tier. I see him effectively at the same level as these guys (2-3 loss against Clem, close rivalry against Reynor) they're still grumbling because unless you have Serral as the uncontested top player, they will grumble. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:02 Calliope wrote: But it is mostly Reynor using them. At the center of the problem is the queen, because it defends all early agression all the larvae are used for drones so the game doesn't kick off until the 70 drone mark. And then it snowballs from there. A weaker queen would make for more interesting games with more even economies. One idea I was wondering about was putting transfuse behind an upgrade (say lair tech), so that 4+ queens don't end up with 1K+ of collective HP, which would stomp most early game pushes | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:03 AzAlexZ wrote: Serral still has a way, way, way better resume than Reynor and Clem, in fact better than the two of them combined. Also Clem plays top level SC2, but he has no trophies. so like, not really I was more talking about current form rather than career accomplishments. Reynor already has a few premiers, and both he and Clem are 4 years younger than Serral, so they'll have time. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:05 Bagration wrote: I was more talking about current form rather than career accomplishments. Reynor already has a few premiers, and both he and Clem are 4 years younger than Serral, so they'll have time. okay fair, i focused on a different aspect. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Time to see how well Clem can micro it against banes. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 21 2020 00:59 AzAlexZ wrote: not what I wrote though, read what I just said, I said if terran gets behind then they can still do wonders against zerg because parade push and rewarding good play. watch Polt/Bomber vs Jaedong and see how Polt rolls over Jaedong by doing similar things to what Clem did (taking good fights), look at the result of the fights You are not winning with these parade pushes against Zerg in the late game... you do it in the mid game, even when behind, when Zerg didn't drone up to 80-90 and doesn't have tier 3 yet. You are kind of agreeing with me. You can't let Zerg drone up to 90 and get freely to tier 3. Doing damage early game with Hellions/Widow Mines/Drops/Pushes or All-in/Parade Timing in the mid game means you are trying to stop the Zerg before he gets there, have nothing to do with Terran being ahead or behind. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
(or did at least. They sounded as if Clem was in a really good spot here) | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:04 Bagration wrote: One idea I was wondering about was putting transfuse behind an upgrade (say lair tech), so that 4+ queens don't end up with 1K+ of collective HP, which would stomp most early game pushes But do queens actually need transfuse? 150 mins for a long range macro unit that disperses creep and injects, isn't that enough. Let other units do the fighting so the viewer does not have to sit through 5 minutes of hellions failing to decreep every TvZ. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:09 Swisslink wrote: I think the commentators kind of overrate Clem's position? Does he have any gas units? | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:07 Ramiz1989 wrote: You are not winning with these parade pushes against Zerg in the late game... you do it in the mid game, even when behind, when Zerg didn't drone up to 80-90 and doesn't have tier 3 yet. You are kind of agreeing with me. You can't let Zerg drone up to 90 and get freely to tier 3. Doing damage early game with Hellions/Widow Mines/Drops/Pushes or All-in/Parade Timing in the mid game means you are trying to stop the Zerg before he gets there, have nothing to do with Terran being ahead or behind. in HOTS no one gets to 80 drones | ||
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