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On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings.
He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense?
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On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player".
Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all
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1/2 bets for a patience group is max for me so yay
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On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player".
There's no disrespect in any of those posts, you're just interpreting it that way.
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Terran hope out, hope at least Rogue, DRG or soO does well this GSL.
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On April 29 2019 21:55 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings. He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense?
Once INno scouted the 3CC Maru delayed everything to get more units expecting a 2 base push
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I'm not one to balance whine and I play Protoss but I am really starting to feel that Protoss is a bit too strong in PvT. Like Patience is obviously a good player but he is not a 2-0 Bop one of the best Terrans in the world then beat the Best terran in the world good.
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On April 29 2019 21:55 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings. He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense?
Bro, he was MAKING Medivacs when the Liberator was killing his tanks. If he could afford 2 Medivacs He could afford 2 Vikings.
You go back and watch it. Economy wasn't the issue, the choice of Starport production was.
He had 3 more Medivacs than Innovation already at that point and he was MAKING more.
My eyes were glued to the production tab that entire time that Innovation was pushing him back. If that ONE Liberator had died, Innovation would have been unable to advance any further without another one. His air superiority won him the battle despite having an inferior ground force.
That is BASIC TvT 101. Air Superiority is everything. Air Superiority is how Maru won Game 2. He either just didn't recognize it in game 3, or was too tilted to care. He had the money, he just didn't react to it.
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On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:55 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings. He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense? Once INno scouted the 3CC Maru delayed everything to get more units expecting a 2 base push
While Inno got the lead with a push that didn't happen.
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On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all
I'm sure it's not disrespectful at all to consider patience getting absolutely lucky, and this having nothing to do with the fact that he prepared builds for a preparation-based tournament like the GSL that everyone gets excited over. Adept-ing well to your opponent is not simply a matter of luck. To say that maru doesn't respect him at all, you must have some evidence for it.
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On April 29 2019 21:56 Syn Harvest wrote:
I'm not one to balance whine and I play Protoss but I am really starting to feel that Protoss is a bit too strong in PvT. Like Patience is obviously a good player but he is not a 2-0 Bop one of the best Terrans in the world then beat the Best terran in the world good.
Patience also has just bopped herO 3-0in ST in PvP and had unarguably the closest series vs Classic out of all ST contenders.
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On April 29 2019 21:56 Syn Harvest wrote:
I'm not one to balance whine and I play Protoss but I am really starting to feel that Protoss is a bit too strong in PvT. Like Patience is obviously a good player but he is not a 2-0 Bop one of the best Terrans in the world then beat the Best terran in the world good.
It's not the first time he did something like this, he's just that unpredictable
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On April 29 2019 21:57 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all I'm sure it's not disrespectful at all to consider patience getting absolutely lucky, and this having nothing to do with the fact that he prepared builds for a preparation-based tournament like the GSL that everyone gets excited over. Adept-ing well to your opponent is not simply a matter of luck. To say that maru doesn't respect him at all, you must have some evidence for it.
Oh FFS Patience is the worse player, he got BO wins and tell me he wasn't lucky when he shade in just as Inno unsieges... how else do you want to define luck? He didn't see the unsiege so it wasn't a good move, he didn't know, he just YOLO and it worked.
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On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all
Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time.
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On April 29 2019 21:57 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:55 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings. He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense? Bro, he was MAKING Medivacs when the Liberator was killing his tanks. If he could afford 2 Medivacs He could afford 2 Vikings. You go back and watch it. Economy wasn't the issue, the choice of Starport production was. He had 3 more Medivacs than Innovation already at that point and he was MAKING more. My eyes were glued to the production tab that entire time that Innovation was pushing him back.
Then inno outplayed him in those two areas, he was smarter than Maru because he didn't do what Maru expected him to do (a 2 base push in response to the fast 3ccs) and he chose the right units to build, a deserved albeit sad loss it is then.
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On April 29 2019 21:57 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all I'm sure it's not disrespectful at all to consider patience getting absolutely lucky, and this having nothing to do with the fact that he prepared builds for a preparation-based tournament like the GSL that everyone gets excited over. Adept-ing well to your opponent is not simply a matter of luck. To say that maru doesn't respect him at all, you must have some evidence for it.
Put it this way, if this was further into the season and he was playing Classic/Dear/sOs/Stats etc instead of Patience, I don't think Maru loses.
He literally had a perfect setup that would have won him the game and then said fuck it lets take all my widow mines and go for a drop.
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On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time.
If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced.
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On April 29 2019 22:00 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 21:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 29 2019 21:50 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 21:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru lost this when he STOPPED making Vikings man, just what the fuck?! he won the last game for the same reason, air superiority is EVERYTHING in TvT and he just fucking stopped making Vikings. Innovation pushed him COMPLETELY across the map with a single fucking Liberator.
Full Prime Terran man. He just completely threw that game. He lost the game when he was behind in upgrades, behind in production and behind in SCVs and that happened way earlier than this. He had a 40 supply lead after the first battle at Inno's 4th and a superior position. Inno's SCV lead meant nothing when he couldn't mine at his third. Maru had a completely perfect position to just win that game, but a SINGLE Liberator pushed him completely back across the map. It started with just 2 Vikings and a Liberator and Maru just DIDNT make any Vikings to fight back. He continued to make fucking MEDIVACS. Maru had the economy. Inno wasn't mining at his third. He had that game. He just stopped making Vikings. He didn't have the eco, go watch it again, Inno had more income for 10+ minutes, Maru's fast 3ccs were absolute shite because everything else was slower (stim and upgrades) and he just didnt make scvs, how does that make any sense? Bro, he was MAKING Medivacs when the Liberator was killing his tanks. If he could afford 2 Medivacs He could afford 2 Vikings. You go back and watch it. Economy wasn't the issue, the choice of Starport production was. He had 3 more Medivacs than Innovation already at that point and he was MAKING more. My eyes were glued to the production tab that entire time that Innovation was pushing him back. Then inno outplayed him in those two areas, he was smarter than Maru because he didn't do what Maru expected him to do (a 2 base push in response to the fast 3ccs) and he chose the right units to build, a deserved albeit sad loss it is then.
If Maru doesn't get pushed back to his mining bases, Inno's SCV lead doesn't matter because Maru had just as many bases at that point. Inno's SCV and Upgrade lead didn't matter when Maru won the first major battle at Inno's 3rd. And Maru's 3-3 was started earlier than Inno's was
The lead that Inno gained with that 2 base push bluff is being massively overstated in this thread. Sure it was definitely an obvious thing that happened, but Maru made a MUCH bigger mistake later, Maru threw the game. If he had just stopped that one push back across the map, the game stabilizes and they are even. Maru let a small bleeding wound fester into a much bigger problem.
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On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced.
You were not the only one, it's funny how some people were denying Patience being this good and now they're making him godlike xD
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