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On April 29 2019 22:14 Penev wrote:
So who wins this GSL now?
Protoss
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alive game!
dark gonna win this season!
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On April 29 2019 22:14 Fango wrote:Protoss
Exactly 
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On April 29 2019 22:12 Pandemona wrote:So crazy Maru is goat in TvZ and TvP but his TvT is so questionable throughout his career xD I think he just loses patients with it, nice pun 
I dont know about that, I think it's just been more of a rock paper scissors thing in TvT among the horsemen, with Gumiho being the dark horse that shakes it up.
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On April 29 2019 22:15 ShAd_1337 wrote:
alive game!
dark gonna win this season!
He won't. Korean Zergs are generally in a bad state and Korean Protosses seem to know how to ZvP. Unless some balance update comes in.
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I don't even know what to say. NotLikeThis Maru
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Stay positive guys. This keeps our favorite pastime interesting. New Code S champ finally 
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On April 29 2019 22:13 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:11 sudete wrote:
Anyway, I'm sure maru will do a lot better in the next code S. Hopefully inno gives us some terran representation in the later stages Considering how he has looked vs Protoss all year long, I have very strong doubts. Inno's TvZ and TvT are in top form, but he has not looked like he can handle any Protoss at all, even when I catch his streams he just gets annihilated by Protoss constantly. Maybe with some good bracket luck he can make Ro8, but he's gonna have to show a resurgent form in TvP to stand a chance of getting to the Ro4, since Protoss seems to be very favored in PvZ in Korea.
I think the chances of IEM/ST repeating are very high.
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On April 29 2019 22:17 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:15 ShAd_1337 wrote:
alive game!
dark gonna win this season! He won't. Korean Zergs are generally in a bad state and Korean Protosses seem to know how to ZvP. Unless some balance update comes in.
Which probably won't happen because it would just guarantee a massive ZvZ fest in the foreign scene (not that it isn't one already). Korean Zergs are feeling the pain that foreign Terrans have been feeling since.... always.
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On April 29 2019 22:12 Pandemona wrote:So crazy Maru is goat in TvZ and TvP but his TvT is so questionable throughout his career xD I think he just loses patients with it, nice pun
So Maru is a bad doctor then? 
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On April 29 2019 22:09 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:07 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 21:53 NoS-Craig wrote:
I got back into sc2 about 3-4 months ago. I had no idea how much SC2 got posters angry. Heh man, the rage and saltiness is real in Sc2's forum if you compare it with BW's. I remember how kindly people reacted to the latest defeats Serral had to suffer, if Serral's fan were as bad as they like to depict them I should be shouting how Maru sucks and is washed up right now; it would be, however, a blatant lie the way those posts were. Patience studied Maru deeply while he underestimated our Protoss friend like he always does, ending up dying to tailored builds and nice execution . Inno(almost) always had an edge over Maru in TvT and the series more or less played out as expected; it has to be said he impartially administrates justice, he took from Serral before and now he takes from Maru as well. Maru is out after one year and half, his streak was becoming boring; I hope this season will belong to some of the great names who are still missing a Code S(all of the Zerg, TY, some of the Protoss). Oh bullshit. Check more games of Patience and you realize he goes random builds every time and when it works it looks really awesome. Just check more of his games, he's not that trash some people think and can pull surprise builds out of his protoss bag of tricks. He didn't study anything otherwise he wouldn't have lost in previous games(he was hiding builds, I know, but not using anything from his studies and losing hilariously...? )
Oh, I have come to greatly respect Patience as a player in 2019; I was disappointed when he qualified for IEM, but he has shown real growth as a player and he should not be underestimated. Don't be surprised if he wins something this year.
If you realize there are some builds you could use against a certain opponent I'd say it's better to use it in Code S than in the group stages of a team based tournaments, don't you think? Thus said, since I am not sure of that, Patience may have just pulled out lucky builds; they just seemed extremely effective against what Maru was doing.
The fact Maru loves to pick Patience for his Code S groups may have even lead Patience to try his hardest to defeat him, in the post game interview Patience mentioned he was someway offended by this behavior if I heard it right.
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On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic?
It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me.
Btw, did you guys notice the difference in respect Maru had for Inno when compared to Patience? In both games vs inno he gged out in a considerably better position than the ones he did vs Patience, it was like he believed he could beat Patience with half the supply, but not Inno.
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On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me.
This hits it pretty well IMO. And is the reason why I don't consider him GOAT. It is just too niche
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On April 29 2019 22:18 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:09 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 22:07 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 21:53 NoS-Craig wrote:
I got back into sc2 about 3-4 months ago. I had no idea how much SC2 got posters angry. Heh man, the rage and saltiness is real in Sc2's forum if you compare it with BW's. I remember how kindly people reacted to the latest defeats Serral had to suffer, if Serral's fan were as bad as they like to depict them I should be shouting how Maru sucks and is washed up right now; it would be, however, a blatant lie the way those posts were. Patience studied Maru deeply while he underestimated our Protoss friend like he always does, ending up dying to tailored builds and nice execution . Inno(almost) always had an edge over Maru in TvT and the series more or less played out as expected; it has to be said he impartially administrates justice, he took from Serral before and now he takes from Maru as well. Maru is out after one year and half, his streak was becoming boring; I hope this season will belong to some of the great names who are still missing a Code S(all of the Zerg, TY, some of the Protoss). Oh bullshit. Check more games of Patience and you realize he goes random builds every time and when it works it looks really awesome. Just check more of his games, he's not that trash some people think and can pull surprise builds out of his protoss bag of tricks. He didn't study anything otherwise he wouldn't have lost in previous games(he was hiding builds, I know, but not using anything from his studies and losing hilariously...? ) Oh, I have come to greatly respect Patience as a player in 2019; I was disappointed when he qualified for IEM, but he has shown real growth as a player and he should not be underestimated. Don't be surprised if he wins something this year. If you realize there are some builds you could use against a certain opponent I'd say it's better to use it in Code S than in the group stages of a team based tournaments, don't you think? Thus said, since I am not sure of that, Patience may have just pulled out lucky builds; they just seemed extremely effective against what Maru was doing. The fact Maru loves to pick Patience for his Code S groups may have even lead Patience to try his hardest to defeat him, in the post game interview Patience mentioned he was someway offended by this behavior if I heard it right.
Yeah that's why he looked 2 leagues bellow. Suuuuure. He didn't do anything imposant, he had luck on his side. Patience isn't a good player, good player doesn't f2 3 warp prisms into the same location and then forgets these exist. Jeez, Patience is a strong player, people respect him, but he's not a good player. He's a good Patience and this works only for Patience.
On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me.
How can you prepare for 30141 Protoss BS builds? I mean, no offense to your analysis, Classic played a similar style so it wasn't like Maru didn't have any preparation. Mistakes happens - see MeomaikA games. He did mistakes and lost G5L trophy because of it. BO3 is still pretty volatile in SC2 considering all the proxy shenanigans that can go and how it's easy to lose in BO loss with the new economy. In the end Maru won 2018 with proxies because of this reason IMO
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On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me.
Thing is even his mechanics are worse in groups compared to playoffs. It's not like he's winning playoff matches through just preparation and build orders, although that is a big part.
The difference in skill between who he beats in playoffs and who he loses to in groups is astonishing. No one should be surprised he lost to Patience/INno when last season he almost went out to Bunny/Impact.
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On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me.
That's exactly what I think; it explains well both why he lost at BlizzCon and why Maru is the one benefitting the most of Jin Air's teamhouse(he is a mechanichal monster but his decisions on the fly aren't the best; when you give him time to prepare and builds to execute, he is the fittest to succeed with them on top of how well he plays sc2).
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On April 29 2019 22:29 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me. That's exactly what I think; it explains well both why he lost at BlizzCon and why Maru is the one benefitting the most of Jin Air's teamhouse(he is a mechanichal monster but his decisions on the fly aren't the best; when you give him time to prepare and builds to execute, he is the fittest to succeed with them on top of how well he plays sc2).
So why he had ace kills in PL? You can't fully prepare on that format... this simply doesn't make sense but I'm just mentioning this for like 50th time again and you will ignore it again or dismiss it.
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On April 29 2019 22:32 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:29 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me. That's exactly what I think; it explains well both why he lost at BlizzCon and why Maru is the one benefitting the most of Jin Air's teamhouse(he is a mechanichal monster but his decisions on the fly aren't the best; when you give him time to prepare and builds to execute, he is the fittest to succeed with them on top of how well he plays sc2). So why he had ace kills in PL? You can't fully prepare on that format... this simply doesn't make sense but I'm just mentioning this for like 50th time again and you will ignore it again or dismiss it.
He was young then. Now he has settled in his ways
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On April 29 2019 22:35 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:32 deacon.frost wrote:On April 29 2019 22:29 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me. That's exactly what I think; it explains well both why he lost at BlizzCon and why Maru is the one benefitting the most of Jin Air's teamhouse(he is a mechanichal monster but his decisions on the fly aren't the best; when you give him time to prepare and builds to execute, he is the fittest to succeed with them on top of how well he plays sc2). So why he had ace kills in PL? You can't fully prepare on that format... this simply doesn't make sense but I'm just mentioning this for like 50th time again and you will ignore it again or dismiss it. He was young then. Now he has settled in his ways
Now he even uses less proxy bui ... oh, wait, wrong settling thingy, he won 3 Code S titles with proxies
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On April 29 2019 22:32 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2019 22:29 Xain0n wrote:On April 29 2019 22:21 IshinShishi wrote:On April 29 2019 22:11 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 22:05 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 22:03 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:59 Ej_ wrote:On April 29 2019 21:55 Fango wrote:On April 29 2019 21:54 sudete wrote:
Stop being disrespectful to inno and patience. They played better than maru in these series and took very well-deserved wins - not every game that maru loses has to be a throw or "playing cocky against a weaker player". Say what you want about INno but Patience got absolutely lucky and Maru didn't respect him at all Ignorance is bliss, I wish I had this much confidence in myself as you do when it comes to writing off Maru's losses as whatever fits at the given time. If it makes you feel better I called this happening when the groups were announced. Yes, I know you say it every time Maru plays anything. We got the hint. He's the best and just disrespects Stats/Patience/doesn't try Feel free to present another explanation as to why he has consistently been sloppy in the ro32 yet almost been untouchable in the playoffs for over a year. Is Maru just better against tougher competition? Or are Patience/Zanster/Leenock/Ragnarok/Keen just better than Stats/TY/Dark/Rogue/Gumiho/Classic? It makes a lot more sense to say that Maru plays much better and at his peak when he gets to prepare extensively (mostly due to the help of his teammates and coach) for one player instead of playing like he would on the fly/ on ladder/weekenders plus he is a mechanical god, and sometimes being a god lets him pull through despite his wonky suboptimal on-the-fly play, but if he doesn't have the perfect setup he is very beatable by a lot of players that don't play standard and that he didn't study/prepare for enough, that's the most logical explanation to me. That's exactly what I think; it explains well both why he lost at BlizzCon and why Maru is the one benefitting the most of Jin Air's teamhouse(he is a mechanichal monster but his decisions on the fly aren't the best; when you give him time to prepare and builds to execute, he is the fittest to succeed with them on top of how well he plays sc2). So why he had ace kills in PL? You can't fully prepare on that format... this simply doesn't make sense but I'm just mentioning this for like 50th time again and you will ignore it again or dismiss it.
In this situation both players can't prepare, then his mechanical prowess can and will prevail often, but what if a player can prepare for him, but he doesn't get to do the same to the extent that he needs to cover everything? That's my main point here, I think almost anyone in the top 25 can beat Maru if they play in an unorthodox way that targets his standard way of playing.
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