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[OSL] RO8 Day 1 WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 81

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1601
This map is so beautiful, I hate seeing it corrupted by creep lol
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12758 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1602
On July 23 2013 20:55 TheDwf wrote:
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On July 23 2013 20:52 ETisME wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:44 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:42 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:40 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

No it's not. Deal with it.

haha oh lord

Yeah, indeed... I don't know if they are trolling us or they actually believe that.

Or we understand something that you don't?



If 3 CC into double Ebay is un-punishable, admit that something is wrong with the game.

But that isn't true, and we will see in the fnext few games

Why? Why do people think everything should be "punishable"? There would be a problem if, for instance, Terran could punish a fast third while Zerg couldn't. As it stands now, neither side can really punish a fast third, so where's the problem?

On July 23 2013 20:44 Emzeeshady wrote:
3 cc double ups just straight up loses to a roach bane bust...

No. You can defend. It's extremely forgiving so you fall behind or instantly lose at the first misstep but you can definitely defend it. You think Terrans are stupid and keep playing as a standard something which would lose 100% of the time to that attack? Standard Terran macro builds are forced to take into account the threat of Roach/Baneling busts since they exist; in WoL you played Hellions/Banshees to handle that, in HotS Mines coupled with excellent control allow you to skip the Starport and get earlier third and upgrades.

yea but terran can punish a zerg for going a faster 4th though....
If zerg army is cost efficient against the bio mine, then fast 3rd vs fast 3rd argument might be more acceptable

How? IdrA went 4-bases mutas against Polt on their Daybreak game from WCS America last season, Polt couldn't do anything particular to punish that... Cost-efficiency depends on micro from both sides; 2/2 lings/banes/mutas can actually handle 3/3 4M for a long time (see Bogus vs Solar on Whirlwind for instance, on the IEM KR Qualifier).

I can reassure you that there are tonnes more games where zerg loses to the maxed upgraded bio mine than a zerg beating a terran with just 2/2 ling baneling mutas. (but of cause you can blame it on the micro, right?)
and being able to grab a super fast 4th is only possible on some maps because rushing a 4th will just make it hard to defend against bio mine pushes and drops and that's the biggest problem of grabbing one
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1603
Actually, imagine if SK is planning to kill Bogus being on the brink of defeat again.

And then destroy the broken Bogus again, in Proleague.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1604
The layout of this map really reminds me of a smaller metropolis.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1605
On July 23 2013 20:58 TheFlexN wrote:
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On July 23 2013 20:56 Yonnua wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:55 TheFlexN wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:55 Yonnua wrote:
Next time artosis tries to qualify he should predict his opponents to win every game. Maybe he'll manage to get Code A this time.

He will win a WCS season that way.


Artosis; the next zerg bonjwa!

Imagine when artosis is laddering when every game starts he says "he will obviously beat me!" and artosis gets to GM few days later


He does the opposite of IdrA; rather than saying "this guy's so bad" every game, he's like "wow this guy is so good, predicting a quick win from him!"
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
July 23 2013 11:59 GMT
#1606
On July 23 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This map is so beautiful, I hate seeing it corrupted by creep lol


THEY MUST BE PURIFIED! FOR AUIR!

lol, that's the first thought that came to my mind when I read your post after looking at your scout icon.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1607
On July 23 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:
The layout of this map really reminds me of a smaller metropolis.

Bigger newkirk.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1608
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1609
hmm I wonder what game is shown on that giant screen at the beach.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1610
http://nios.kr/sc2/kr/1v1/hots/ wow i'm genuinely surprised so few terrans at the top

like 4 in top 30 or something at a glance
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massivez
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium653 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1611
On July 23 2013 20:56 bo1b wrote:
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On July 23 2013 20:53 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:50 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:44 Douillos wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:42 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:40 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

No it's not. Deal with it.

haha oh lord

Yeah, indeed... I don't know if they are trolling us or they actually believe that.

Or we understand something that you don't?



If 3 CC into double Ebay is un-punishable, admit that something is wrong with the game.

But that isn't true, and we will see in the fnext few games

Why? Why do people think everything should be "punishable"? There would be a problem if, for instance, Terran could punish a fast third while Zerg couldn't. As it stands now, neither side can really punish a fast third, so where's the problem?

On July 23 2013 20:44 Emzeeshady wrote:
3 cc double ups just straight up loses to a roach bane bust...

No. You can defend. It's extremely forgiving so you fall behind or instantly lose at the first misstep but you can definitely defend it. You think Terrans are stupid and keep playing as a standard something which would lose 100% of the time to that attack? Standard Terran macro builds are forced to take into account the threat of Roach/Baneling busts since they exist; in WoL you played Hellions/Banshees to handle that, in HotS Mines coupled with excellent control allow you to skip the Starport and get earlier third and upgrades.


Because it leads to turtle fests, 15 minutes no rush games. I know you're good at the game, but I still disagree with you're standpoint on this.

Terrans quick 3cc build is entirely dependent on moving out on the map at like 10-12 minutes, right around the time your taking a 3rd.


Terrans take a third around 9.30 minutes, at that moment you almost saturated your third as a Zerg. But it depends alot on larva en good engagements to handle the first push.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1612
On July 23 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This map is so beautiful, I hate seeing it corrupted by creep lol

This is the only map located on Earth, so remember kids, if you root for Zerg on this map, you hate the human race.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 12:02:17
July 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#1613
Hey, there I saw the rock name bug again.. dont know if it is a bug though...

It list the whole path name of the file of the rock on your system as the name of the rock. Anyone noticed this also right now or in game?

Edit: screencap!
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jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1614
Looks like Soulkey is dead set on proving he can win against Inno in a macro game.
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1615
Yes! Innovation is playing safe with an early tank.
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1616
On July 23 2013 20:58 robson1 wrote:
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On July 23 2013 20:57 Rhaegal wrote:
http://nios.kr/sc2/global/1v1/hots/grandmaster/

Terran obviously isn't as strong as so many people claim it to be. If you remember at the end of wings, Z was the most represented race in GM. Now it's P.


Ladder =!!! balance.

Ladder != Balance , FTFY math OCD-sorry
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 12:01:37
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1617
On July 23 2013 21:00 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This map is so beautiful, I hate seeing it corrupted by creep lol

This is the only map located on Earth, so remember kids, if you root for Zerg on this map, you hate the human race.

Well, I guess there's a plenty of reasons to do so
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1618
Innovation making tanks lol. Good stuff :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 12:01 GMT
#1619
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
July 23 2013 12:02 GMT
#1620
On July 23 2013 20:58 Yello wrote:
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On July 23 2013 20:57 Yello wrote:
[image loading] (Z)Soulkey vs. [image loading] (T)INnoVation
Game 3: Gwangalli Beach


Soulkey spawns in the bottom left
Innovation spawns in the top right


0:00-4:00min
CC first on the high ground for Innovation
Hatch first into Gas, then Pool for Soulkey

Rax and Reactor for Innovation
no Drone-scout by Soulkey this game, SCV-scout by Innovation


4:00-6:00min
Ling-Speed on the way for Soulkey
Innovation takes his natural and starts Reactor and Factory

6:00-8:00min
third base for Soulkey
Innovation completes the wall at his natural before starting the 3rd CC
Factory takes the Tech Lab and starts a Tank while the Rax gets the Reactor and starts Marines

Hellions scout the third base of Soulkey
2 E-Bays on the way for Innovation

Rax switches to Tech Lab again and starts Stim
Factory builds another Reactor, 2 Barracks started
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