[WCS EU] Premier Division Qualifiers - Page 267
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jeeneeus
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:08 Crosswind wrote: I mean, both positions are understandable. But let's be clear on some stuff here: Part of the whole point of the WCS is to allow the best in a given region to do their thing, even if there are people in other places who are better at it. Example: Korean players are better. But (ideally...) most of them end up going through the korean qualifiers, while EU players get to play there. NASL is better at producing content than ESL. Like, Koreans vs. North American GM better. It sort of seems like letting NASL come in and beat up ESL's viewer count is against the spirit of the WCS. As a result of regionalism, which has some benefits, you get some drawbacks: The players involved are not as good, and the casters involved are not as good. Personally, I'm not really interested in watching Kaelaris, who is an okay caster, solo-cast for 10 hours with 0 production behind him. Hats off to him, he's a trucker, but it isn't my cup of tea. I'd be watching NASL if they cast. -Cross Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment. | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:12 toxifly wrote: Is Dragon allowed to play in EU qualifier ? He already played in korean code A quali. I believe if you try for code A you've locked yourself into Korea for the season | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
Lowely - Rainman : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru Indy - Shaman : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2 & http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe Harstem - Conec : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv Down - Starbuck : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/ | ||
HolydaKing
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pmp10
3246 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote: IMO Blizzard only stands to gain from allowing NASL to cast - it'll bring in tons of viewers and create hype around WCS Europe. That hype will translate into more viewers for ESL later on, and potentially more views to WCS Korea and WCS NA. It's a qualifier, there's no need to be stingy, but there is very much a need to get people watching the event now so they watch it later on. The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet. If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition. | ||
govie
9334 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:12 toxifly wrote: Is Dragon allowed to play in EU qualifier ? He already played in korean code A quali. Dragon is casting esl eu and is having more viewers then allmost every stream... | ||
Swords
6038 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:13 StarVe wrote: Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment. Brilliant. | ||
Crosswind
United States279 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:13 StarVe wrote: Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment. Yeah, I know that's what's actually happening. But theoretically, you want EU players playing EU qualifiers; and, also EU casters casting EU qualifiers. It'd be interesting if we went through this thread and replaced "ESL" with "foreigners", "NASL" with "Koreans" and "Cast" with "Play". Would people still agree with the sentiment? -Cross (It should be noted that I am a huuuuge NASL fan, just think this is interesting) | ||
farnham
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
Lowely - Rainman : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru Indy - Shaman : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2 & http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe Harstem - Conec : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv Down - Starbuck : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/ Mikoel - DadumbDude : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain | ||
JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote: The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet. If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition. Sadly there is no real competition in the whole Blizzard/e-sports model. If there was we would not have to watch someone solocasting without assistance for 4 days/10hours per day where on the other hand a fully equipped team literally would be available within 10 minutes PLUS everyone wants to watch them anyway. | ||
Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote: The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet. If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition. Yeah, good point. I guess I just really wish NASL had been involved in WCS somehow. I'd rather watch their production than ESL's or MLG's. I also feel the same way about Dreamhack. | ||
Ippo
708 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote: Although, at least there are streams with almost every game - I can't wait to see people's reactions when MLG shows about 4 "highlight" games from replay of the NA qualifiers, which is supposedly what they're going to do. Can't wait for that as well. 4 games per Qualifier sound very dull to me. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote: The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet. If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition. It's not really fair competition because afaik other tournaments are not allowed to cast starcraft during WCS casts. | ||
AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On April 18 2013 02:13 jeeneeus wrote: I really hope abomb does well. He looked quite good yesterday and nearly took out WhiteRa (1-0 to 1-2) | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
And seriously that Blizzard cant pay for NASL that is actually helping the scene to grow I don't even know wtf to say. Yesterday was one of the most exciting and most fun I had watching sc2 for a long long time | ||
Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 18 2013 01:56 RotterdaM wrote: Bro, it's not Ben or mine's call. We wanna cast more than anything and would _LOVE_ to do it for free, we simply can't just run this studio and get 2 production guys to work with us if our boss doesn't allow us. Just like anywhere else in the world we are supposed to work on a Wednesday, if our boss doesn't wanna use the resources to let us cast there is nothing we can do. I am actually really upset and couldn't care less on which channel its casted, i can understand my boss for not wanting to pay 4 people for something he has absolutely 0 return in though ( the production people are payed hourly and Ben and me are full time but if we are casting we are obviously not working on something else that does benefit nasl ) , but that's a different story. It doesn't change that Ben and me would love to cast, and skipping work to cast from home is not really an option, obviously my boss wouldn't like it if we are "suddenly" sick while we were just in the office, nor will the production be anywhere near as good, it will just be a webcam and a cheap microphone bedroom cast, not really what you guys are waiting for either I guess, I'm just sad since I just wanted to cast and I can guarantee you same goes for Ben, we wouldn't earn anything either way since we are full time employers so it makes no difference. We just wanna cast, but unfortunately I'm just a useless peon who has to follow orders and can't make any calls. Very understandable. I just didn't like that it was being portrayed as blizzard stopping you from casting (before the clarification). Great cast yesterday, thanks. | ||
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