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jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
April 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#5321
I really hope abomb does well.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#5322
On April 18 2013 02:08 Crosswind wrote:
I mean, both positions are understandable. But let's be clear on some stuff here:

Part of the whole point of the WCS is to allow the best in a given region to do their thing, even if there are people in other places who are better at it. Example: Korean players are better. But (ideally...) most of them end up going through the korean qualifiers, while EU players get to play there.

NASL is better at producing content than ESL. Like, Koreans vs. North American GM better. It sort of seems like letting NASL come in and beat up ESL's viewer count is against the spirit of the WCS.

As a result of regionalism, which has some benefits, you get some drawbacks: The players involved are not as good, and the casters involved are not as good.

Personally, I'm not really interested in watching Kaelaris, who is an okay caster, solo-cast for 10 hours with 0 production behind him. Hats off to him, he's a trucker, but it isn't my cup of tea. I'd be watching NASL if they cast.

-Cross

Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#5323
On April 18 2013 02:12 toxifly wrote:
Is Dragon allowed to play in EU qualifier ? He already played in korean code A quali.

I believe if you try for code A you've locked yourself into Korea for the season
Glorious SEA doto
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 17 2013 17:14 GMT
#5324
Adelscott - shapsu : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Lowely - Rainman : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
Indy - Shaman : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2 & http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Harstem - Conec : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv
Down - Starbuck : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 17 2013 17:14 GMT
#5325
Uhh... idk what's being discussed here. WCS Europe should get all the English viewer, as it's the Casting channel by ESL who are covering this event. I don't see why another channel flagged as NASL (advertisement right there) should cover this, perhaps if they get called WCS Europe #2 or similar and Blizzard / ESL are fine with it.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
April 17 2013 17:14 GMT
#5326
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote:
IMO Blizzard only stands to gain from allowing NASL to cast - it'll bring in tons of viewers and create hype around WCS Europe. That hype will translate into more viewers for ESL later on, and potentially more views to WCS Korea and WCS NA. It's a qualifier, there's no need to be stingy, but there is very much a need to get people watching the event now so they watch it later on.

The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet.
If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 17 2013 17:15 GMT
#5327
On April 18 2013 02:12 toxifly wrote:
Is Dragon allowed to play in EU qualifier ? He already played in korean code A quali.


Dragon is casting esl eu and is having more viewers then allmost every stream...
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 17 2013 17:15 GMT
#5328
On April 18 2013 02:13 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:08 Crosswind wrote:
I mean, both positions are understandable. But let's be clear on some stuff here:

Part of the whole point of the WCS is to allow the best in a given region to do their thing, even if there are people in other places who are better at it. Example: Korean players are better. But (ideally...) most of them end up going through the korean qualifiers, while EU players get to play there.

NASL is better at producing content than ESL. Like, Koreans vs. North American GM better. It sort of seems like letting NASL come in and beat up ESL's viewer count is against the spirit of the WCS.

As a result of regionalism, which has some benefits, you get some drawbacks: The players involved are not as good, and the casters involved are not as good.

Personally, I'm not really interested in watching Kaelaris, who is an okay caster, solo-cast for 10 hours with 0 production behind him. Hats off to him, he's a trucker, but it isn't my cup of tea. I'd be watching NASL if they cast.

-Cross

Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment.


Brilliant.
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
April 17 2013 17:16 GMT
#5329
On April 18 2013 02:13 StarVe wrote:
Nono, bringing in someone better at it from another continent and allowing him to do it online is actually exactly what WCS is about at the moment.


Yeah, I know that's what's actually happening. But theoretically, you want EU players playing EU qualifiers; and, also EU casters casting EU qualifiers.

It'd be interesting if we went through this thread and replaced "ESL" with "foreigners", "NASL" with "Koreans" and "Cast" with "Play". Would people still agree with the sentiment?

-Cross (It should be noted that I am a huuuuge NASL fan, just think this is interesting)
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
April 17 2013 17:16 GMT
#5330
So are the koreans (shuttle, finale, tails) already out?
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 17 2013 17:17 GMT
#5331
Adelscott - shapsu : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Lowely - Rainman : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
Indy - Shaman : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2 & http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Harstem - Conec : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv
Down - Starbuck : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
Mikoel - DadumbDude : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain
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JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
April 17 2013 17:17 GMT
#5332
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote:
IMO Blizzard only stands to gain from allowing NASL to cast - it'll bring in tons of viewers and create hype around WCS Europe. That hype will translate into more viewers for ESL later on, and potentially more views to WCS Korea and WCS NA. It's a qualifier, there's no need to be stingy, but there is very much a need to get people watching the event now so they watch it later on.

The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet.
If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition.


Sadly there is no real competition in the whole Blizzard/e-sports model. If there was we would not have to watch someone solocasting without assistance for 4 days/10hours per day where on the other hand a fully equipped team literally would be available within 10 minutes PLUS everyone wants to watch them anyway.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
April 17 2013 17:17 GMT
#5333
dragon playin eu wcs???
yo
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 17 2013 17:18 GMT
#5334
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote:
IMO Blizzard only stands to gain from allowing NASL to cast - it'll bring in tons of viewers and create hype around WCS Europe. That hype will translate into more viewers for ESL later on, and potentially more views to WCS Korea and WCS NA. It's a qualifier, there's no need to be stingy, but there is very much a need to get people watching the event now so they watch it later on.

The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet.
If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition.


Yeah, good point. I guess I just really wish NASL had been involved in WCS somehow. I'd rather watch their production than ESL's or MLG's. I also feel the same way about Dreamhack.
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
April 17 2013 17:18 GMT
#5335
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote:
Although, at least there are streams with almost every game - I can't wait to see people's reactions when MLG shows about 4 "highlight" games from replay of the NA qualifiers, which is supposedly what they're going to do.


Can't wait for that as well. 4 games per Qualifier sound very dull to me.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#5336
On April 18 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:10 Swords wrote:
IMO Blizzard only stands to gain from allowing NASL to cast - it'll bring in tons of viewers and create hype around WCS Europe. That hype will translate into more viewers for ESL later on, and potentially more views to WCS Korea and WCS NA. It's a qualifier, there's no need to be stingy, but there is very much a need to get people watching the event now so they watch it later on.

The obvious problem is that it creates expectations that ESL/MLG may not meet.
If NASL is not involved in WCS (which seems to be the case from what we know so far) then Blizzard would be effectively empowering their own competition.


It's not really fair competition because afaik other tournaments are not allowed to cast starcraft during WCS casts.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#5337
On April 18 2013 02:13 jeeneeus wrote:
I really hope abomb does well.


He looked quite good yesterday and nearly took out WhiteRa (1-0 to 1-2)
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#5338
Shapsu misspelled "Fuck You" with "GG" and then ragequit vs Adel :D
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:20:26
April 17 2013 17:20 GMT
#5339
lol 2000 player qualifier? This is insane?

And seriously that Blizzard cant pay for NASL that is actually helping the scene to grow I don't even know wtf to say.

Yesterday was one of the most exciting and most fun I had watching sc2 for a long long time
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
April 17 2013 17:20 GMT
#5340
On April 18 2013 01:56 RotterdaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 01:25 Prplppleatr wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:19 MrBitter wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:16 Blaec wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:12 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
David Hiltscher ‏@affentod 51s
Generating a 2048 player brackets brings our tournament system to its limits. Please bear with us.

Ben Nichol ‏@MrBitterTV 11s
So @RotterdaM08 and I won't be able to cast WCS Quals today. Being told Blizz insisting that all English casts go to official WCS channels.

fuck blizzard! wtf! they just jelly because nasl stole nb1 english stream from the official wcs channel.




Came to the LR thread to see when the NASL cast would go up.


For the sake of clarity:

ESL told us that they would allow us to stream to WCS_Europe2.

Problem here is that since we're not officially involved in WCS we would essentially be working for free. 2 casters, 2 production people, 8+ hours dedicated to a stream channel that isn't ours. As much as Kev and I would love to cast the games, of course our boss isn't going to allow it.

So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?".

The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no".

LOL....so it has nothing to do with not letting NASL cast, it is simply that you can't do it on the NASL channel, but have to use a WCS channel for a WCS tournament...DUH! If you guys were really so upset, cast it from home on the proper channel.

I'm shocked you guys thought you were going to get something out of casting something you aren't even a part of...your a community stream, you don't get paid!!! ffs, stop acting like it is someone stopping you from casting


Bro, it's not Ben or mine's call. We wanna cast more than anything and would _LOVE_ to do it for free, we simply can't just run this studio and get 2 production guys to work with us if our boss doesn't allow us. Just like anywhere else in the world we are supposed to work on a Wednesday, if our boss doesn't wanna use the resources to let us cast there is nothing we can do. I am actually really upset and couldn't care less on which channel its casted, i can understand my boss for not wanting to pay 4 people for something he has absolutely 0 return in though ( the production people are payed hourly and Ben and me are full time but if we are casting we are obviously not working on something else that does benefit nasl ) , but that's a different story. It doesn't change that Ben and me would love to cast, and skipping work to cast from home is not really an option, obviously my boss wouldn't like it if we are "suddenly" sick while we were just in the office, nor will the production be anywhere near as good, it will just be a webcam and a cheap microphone bedroom cast, not really what you guys are waiting for either I guess, I'm just sad since I just wanted to cast and I can guarantee you same goes for Ben, we wouldn't earn anything either way since we are full time employers so it makes no difference. We just wanna cast, but unfortunately I'm just a useless peon who has to follow orders and can't make any calls.

Very understandable. I just didn't like that it was being portrayed as blizzard stopping you from casting (before the clarification). Great cast yesterday, thanks.
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