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Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:36:28
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5361
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:35:01
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5362
On April 18 2013 02:28 RotterdaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:20 Prplppleatr wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:56 RotterdaM wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:25 Prplppleatr wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:19 MrBitter wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:16 Blaec wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:12 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
David Hiltscher ‏@affentod 51s
Generating a 2048 player brackets brings our tournament system to its limits. Please bear with us.

Ben Nichol ‏@MrBitterTV 11s
So @RotterdaM08 and I won't be able to cast WCS Quals today. Being told Blizz insisting that all English casts go to official WCS channels.

fuck blizzard! wtf! they just jelly because nasl stole nb1 english stream from the official wcs channel.




Came to the LR thread to see when the NASL cast would go up.


For the sake of clarity:

ESL told us that they would allow us to stream to WCS_Europe2.

Problem here is that since we're not officially involved in WCS we would essentially be working for free. 2 casters, 2 production people, 8+ hours dedicated to a stream channel that isn't ours. As much as Kev and I would love to cast the games, of course our boss isn't going to allow it.

So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?".

The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no".

LOL....so it has nothing to do with not letting NASL cast, it is simply that you can't do it on the NASL channel, but have to use a WCS channel for a WCS tournament...DUH! If you guys were really so upset, cast it from home on the proper channel.

I'm shocked you guys thought you were going to get something out of casting something you aren't even a part of...your a community stream, you don't get paid!!! ffs, stop acting like it is someone stopping you from casting


Bro, it's not Ben or mine's call. We wanna cast more than anything and would _LOVE_ to do it for free, we simply can't just run this studio and get 2 production guys to work with us if our boss doesn't allow us. Just like anywhere else in the world we are supposed to work on a Wednesday, if our boss doesn't wanna use the resources to let us cast there is nothing we can do. I am actually really upset and couldn't care less on which channel its casted, i can understand my boss for not wanting to pay 4 people for something he has absolutely 0 return in though ( the production people are payed hourly and Ben and me are full time but if we are casting we are obviously not working on something else that does benefit nasl ) , but that's a different story. It doesn't change that Ben and me would love to cast, and skipping work to cast from home is not really an option, obviously my boss wouldn't like it if we are "suddenly" sick while we were just in the office, nor will the production be anywhere near as good, it will just be a webcam and a cheap microphone bedroom cast, not really what you guys are waiting for either I guess, I'm just sad since I just wanted to cast and I can guarantee you same goes for Ben, we wouldn't earn anything either way since we are full time employers so it makes no difference. We just wanna cast, but unfortunately I'm just a useless peon who has to follow orders and can't make any calls.

Very understandable. I just didn't like that it was being portrayed as blizzard stopping you from casting (before the clarification). Great cast yesterday, thanks.


I can understand that too and that was certainly not the case, I think Ben did his best to get that message out there as well, that's why in every post we made we also didn't say X or Y was the reason as it's always a little more complicated than that. Thanks for the nice words though~

Ya, it wasn't necessarily what ben said or how he portrayed it, but how it was interpreted by people..I think you guys did fine in explaining but people (including myself, sorry) took things a different way because of how a few people were interpreting it.

Anyway, if it's still going on maybe you guys can jump in at the end. Otherwise, we can all just enjoy kaelaris.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5363
If only there was a chance that the Swedish XiGua could play the Chinese XiGua
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HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
April 17 2013 17:35 GMT
#5364
On April 18 2013 02:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If only there was a chance that the Swedish XiGua could play the Chinese XiGua


Melon Festival
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 17 2013 17:36 GMT
#5365
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 17 2013 17:36 GMT
#5366
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


For the real tournament Kaelaris will not cast alone and if it's anything like last year then it will not be boring at all. Kaelaris casting with Hasu, Grubby and Tod was just great last year. Really hope they get Tod!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5367
Did anybody watch BratOK the two previous days ? I saw the bracket and that he was defeated by goody and Welmu. It's been a long time since I've seen him play.

Just wondering how he was looking lately and in this qualifier.
Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5368
so 1474 players in this qualifier....
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5369
On April 18 2013 02:36 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


For the real tournament Kaelaris will not cast alone and if it's anything like last year then it will not be boring at all. Kaelaris casting with Hasu, Grubby and Tod was just great last year. Really hope they get Tod!

Kaelaris with grubby during all the wcs qualifiers last year during all the qualifiers was like one of the best things ever.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
April 17 2013 17:38 GMT
#5370
I just jope WCS EU will have majority european casters / commentators instead of US ones. Europe has always bit rivalries running and casters bias is always nice add on
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:40:55
April 17 2013 17:39 GMT
#5371
I don't think I can watch kaelaris solo cast all these games. He's a great caster but it's just not as fun with a solo guy. Especially since I have to listen more than watch (I'm at work). Bitterdam made the WCS really fun and exciting yesterday. It really, really sucks I don't have them to listen/watch today. I understand why, it just stinks!
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
April 17 2013 17:39 GMT
#5372
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


If I am not mistaken, Dreamhack doesn't have a studio where they could run the offline part, as opposed to ESL. Basically, there was no other choice for Europe. Well, there is one small studio in Sweden, with the best SC2 observer and caster as part of it, but I am not so sure Blizz would want their WCS to have any connections with Mr. James Harding :D
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#5373
On April 18 2013 02:36 Zheryn wrote:
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!


Gz:D
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:40:33
April 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#5374
Jacko - Kubban : http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Delphi - Santasam : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
Acro - Censure : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Thorminator - Jaegon : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
BratOK - Luzian : http://www.twitch.tv/empiretvzerg
Darknessk - Epap : http://www.twitch.tv/mori09tv
Playarcher - Indy : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2
Optimus - Mzrk : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain
Bling - Funky : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv & http://www.twitch.tv/pughydude
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#5375
On April 18 2013 02:36 Zheryn wrote:
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!


Congrats!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:42:21
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5376
On April 18 2013 02:40 Yhamm wrote:
Jacko - Kubban : http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Delphi - Santasam : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
Acro - Censure : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Thorminator - Jaegon : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
BratOK - Luzian : http://www.twitch.tv/empiretvzerg
Darknessk - Epap : http://www.twitch.tv/mori09tv
Playarcher - Indy : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2
Optimus - Mzrk : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain
Bling - Funky : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv & http://www.twitch.tv/pughydude


Thanks, I'm about to find how how many HD streams my internet connection can handle in parallel!
freddergeier
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany140 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5377
On April 18 2013 02:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
I'm about to find how how many HD streams my internet connection can handle in parallel!


whats the current count? :D
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5378
Poor JackO, over 10k viewers and he has to kill his own pylon

Probably asked, but is this going to be finished today even though it's a larger bracket?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5379
On April 18 2013 02:39 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


If I am not mistaken, Dreamhack doesn't have a studio where they could run the offline part, as opposed to ESL. Basically, there was no other choice for Europe. Well, there is one small studio in Sweden, with the best SC2 observer and caster as part of it, but I am not so sure Blizz would want their WCS to have any connections with Mr. James Harding :D


I thought there was some tweet from Robert Ohlen when information about the new WCS was about to come out that hinted about Dreamhack being willing to build a studio in order to host WCS. I'll see if I can find it.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 17 2013 17:43 GMT
#5380
On April 18 2013 02:42 iNsaNe- wrote:
Poor JackO, over 10k viewers and he has to kill his own pylon

Probably asked, but is this going to be finished today even though it's a larger bracket?

It should finish today. It's just going to take a while :D
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