• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:07
CET 05:07
KST 13:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8623 users

[WCS EU] Premier Division Qualifiers - Page 269

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 267 268 269 270 271 355 Next
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:36:28
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5361
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:35:01
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5362
On April 18 2013 02:28 RotterdaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:20 Prplppleatr wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:56 RotterdaM wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:25 Prplppleatr wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:19 MrBitter wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:16 Blaec wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:12 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
David Hiltscher ‏@affentod 51s
Generating a 2048 player brackets brings our tournament system to its limits. Please bear with us.

Ben Nichol ‏@MrBitterTV 11s
So @RotterdaM08 and I won't be able to cast WCS Quals today. Being told Blizz insisting that all English casts go to official WCS channels.

fuck blizzard! wtf! they just jelly because nasl stole nb1 english stream from the official wcs channel.




Came to the LR thread to see when the NASL cast would go up.


For the sake of clarity:

ESL told us that they would allow us to stream to WCS_Europe2.

Problem here is that since we're not officially involved in WCS we would essentially be working for free. 2 casters, 2 production people, 8+ hours dedicated to a stream channel that isn't ours. As much as Kev and I would love to cast the games, of course our boss isn't going to allow it.

So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?".

The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no".

LOL....so it has nothing to do with not letting NASL cast, it is simply that you can't do it on the NASL channel, but have to use a WCS channel for a WCS tournament...DUH! If you guys were really so upset, cast it from home on the proper channel.

I'm shocked you guys thought you were going to get something out of casting something you aren't even a part of...your a community stream, you don't get paid!!! ffs, stop acting like it is someone stopping you from casting


Bro, it's not Ben or mine's call. We wanna cast more than anything and would _LOVE_ to do it for free, we simply can't just run this studio and get 2 production guys to work with us if our boss doesn't allow us. Just like anywhere else in the world we are supposed to work on a Wednesday, if our boss doesn't wanna use the resources to let us cast there is nothing we can do. I am actually really upset and couldn't care less on which channel its casted, i can understand my boss for not wanting to pay 4 people for something he has absolutely 0 return in though ( the production people are payed hourly and Ben and me are full time but if we are casting we are obviously not working on something else that does benefit nasl ) , but that's a different story. It doesn't change that Ben and me would love to cast, and skipping work to cast from home is not really an option, obviously my boss wouldn't like it if we are "suddenly" sick while we were just in the office, nor will the production be anywhere near as good, it will just be a webcam and a cheap microphone bedroom cast, not really what you guys are waiting for either I guess, I'm just sad since I just wanted to cast and I can guarantee you same goes for Ben, we wouldn't earn anything either way since we are full time employers so it makes no difference. We just wanna cast, but unfortunately I'm just a useless peon who has to follow orders and can't make any calls.

Very understandable. I just didn't like that it was being portrayed as blizzard stopping you from casting (before the clarification). Great cast yesterday, thanks.


I can understand that too and that was certainly not the case, I think Ben did his best to get that message out there as well, that's why in every post we made we also didn't say X or Y was the reason as it's always a little more complicated than that. Thanks for the nice words though~

Ya, it wasn't necessarily what ben said or how he portrayed it, but how it was interpreted by people..I think you guys did fine in explaining but people (including myself, sorry) took things a different way because of how a few people were interpreting it.

Anyway, if it's still going on maybe you guys can jump in at the end. Otherwise, we can all just enjoy kaelaris.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 17 2013 17:34 GMT
#5363
If only there was a chance that the Swedish XiGua could play the Chinese XiGua
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
April 17 2013 17:35 GMT
#5364
On April 18 2013 02:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If only there was a chance that the Swedish XiGua could play the Chinese XiGua


Melon Festival
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 17 2013 17:36 GMT
#5365
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!
hundred thousand krouner
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
April 17 2013 17:36 GMT
#5366
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


For the real tournament Kaelaris will not cast alone and if it's anything like last year then it will not be boring at all. Kaelaris casting with Hasu, Grubby and Tod was just great last year. Really hope they get Tod!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5367
Did anybody watch BratOK the two previous days ? I saw the bracket and that he was defeated by goody and Welmu. It's been a long time since I've seen him play.

Just wondering how he was looking lately and in this qualifier.
Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5368
so 1474 players in this qualifier....
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5369
On April 18 2013 02:36 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


For the real tournament Kaelaris will not cast alone and if it's anything like last year then it will not be boring at all. Kaelaris casting with Hasu, Grubby and Tod was just great last year. Really hope they get Tod!

Kaelaris with grubby during all the wcs qualifiers last year during all the qualifiers was like one of the best things ever.
Glorious SEA doto
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
April 17 2013 17:38 GMT
#5370
I just jope WCS EU will have majority european casters / commentators instead of US ones. Europe has always bit rivalries running and casters bias is always nice add on
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:40:55
April 17 2013 17:39 GMT
#5371
I don't think I can watch kaelaris solo cast all these games. He's a great caster but it's just not as fun with a solo guy. Especially since I have to listen more than watch (I'm at work). Bitterdam made the WCS really fun and exciting yesterday. It really, really sucks I don't have them to listen/watch today. I understand why, it just stinks!
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
April 17 2013 17:39 GMT
#5372
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


If I am not mistaken, Dreamhack doesn't have a studio where they could run the offline part, as opposed to ESL. Basically, there was no other choice for Europe. Well, there is one small studio in Sweden, with the best SC2 observer and caster as part of it, but I am not so sure Blizz would want their WCS to have any connections with Mr. James Harding :D
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#5373
On April 18 2013 02:36 Zheryn wrote:
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!


Gz:D
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:40:33
April 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#5374
Jacko - Kubban : http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Delphi - Santasam : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
Acro - Censure : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Thorminator - Jaegon : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
BratOK - Luzian : http://www.twitch.tv/empiretvzerg
Darknessk - Epap : http://www.twitch.tv/mori09tv
Playarcher - Indy : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2
Optimus - Mzrk : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain
Bling - Funky : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv & http://www.twitch.tv/pughydude
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#5375
On April 18 2013 02:36 Zheryn wrote:
Sweet, my opponent went mech TvZ in ro1024, so I'm through to ro512!


Congrats!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 17:42:21
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5376
On April 18 2013 02:40 Yhamm wrote:
Jacko - Kubban : http://www.twitch.tv/WCS_Europe
Delphi - Santasam : http://www.twitch.tv/taketv/
Acro - Censure : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_fr_tv2
Thorminator - Jaegon : http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
BratOK - Luzian : http://www.twitch.tv/empiretvzerg
Darknessk - Epap : http://www.twitch.tv/mori09tv
Playarcher - Indy : http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2
Optimus - Mzrk : http://www.twitch.tv/eslspain
Bling - Funky : http://www.twitch.tv/gamesocialtv & http://www.twitch.tv/pughydude


Thanks, I'm about to find how how many HD streams my internet connection can handle in parallel!
freddergeier
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany140 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5377
On April 18 2013 02:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
I'm about to find how how many HD streams my internet connection can handle in parallel!


whats the current count? :D
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5378
Poor JackO, over 10k viewers and he has to kill his own pylon

Probably asked, but is this going to be finished today even though it's a larger bracket?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#5379
On April 18 2013 02:39 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 02:34 Clefairy wrote:
ESL is boring. Their events have been boring unless they get lucky with an incredible crowd like in Katowice. Their production is boring too. ESL also has very little draw in the SC2 community. I like Kalaeris though. WCS EU will probably be a boring event that you'd only watch for the players. I hope they improve enough so that the viewers aren't left wondering about what WCS EU could have been if Dreamhack was chosen instead.


If I am not mistaken, Dreamhack doesn't have a studio where they could run the offline part, as opposed to ESL. Basically, there was no other choice for Europe. Well, there is one small studio in Sweden, with the best SC2 observer and caster as part of it, but I am not so sure Blizz would want their WCS to have any connections with Mr. James Harding :D


I thought there was some tweet from Robert Ohlen when information about the new WCS was about to come out that hinted about Dreamhack being willing to build a studio in order to host WCS. I'll see if I can find it.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 17 2013 17:43 GMT
#5380
On April 18 2013 02:42 iNsaNe- wrote:
Poor JackO, over 10k viewers and he has to kill his own pylon

Probably asked, but is this going to be finished today even though it's a larger bracket?

It should finish today. It's just going to take a while :D
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Prev 1 267 268 269 270 271 355 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
ISSL: Premier - Quarterfinals
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PiG Daily
06:20
Best Games of SC
MaxPax vs Clem
SHIN vs TBD
herO vs TBD
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ketroc 55
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2476
GuemChi 1973
Force[name] 7
LuMiX 3
League of Legends
JimRising 892
Counter-Strike
taco 601
Other Games
summit1g13373
XaKoH 346
Maynarde125
NeuroSwarm84
ViBE60
RuFF_SC226
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick624
BasetradeTV141
Counter-Strike
PGL80
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 87
• davetesta81
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush832
• Lourlo75
Other Games
• Scarra1075
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
18h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 7h
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
OSC
1d 18h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
1d 20h
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
IPSL
5 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.