On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.
Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.
It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.
Because you're assuming the worst out of players without any substantial evidence whatsoever.
I think the reason is because he's done it before in a tournament where much less was on the line ;o
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.
Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.
It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.
Because losing to IdrA doesn't make the bracket any easier for him. He's not going to throw a game vs. an EG member on a huge stage like this. He's not going to throw games again after what happened the last time he did.
Numerous other reasons..don't think it's necessary to go on.
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Then Stephano sure has gotten a lot worse lately
His ZvZ was never as good as his ZvP or ZvT.
Yea in that MU both sides have infestors. Makes things harder ;D
On November 17 2012 18:17 Corrosive wrote: if idra wins: omg stephano threw for 20 pages in a row
oh fuck what a surprise
Trolololololololo...
On November 17 2012 19:16 kochanfe wrote: Oh my fucking god. Oh my fucking god. OH MY FUCKING GOD! IdrA seriously just 2-0ed RorO AND Stephano. IdrA just 4-0ed the group of death... guess ZvZ really is a useful skill toi have :D
If Idra played Life or Leenock he would have gotten destroyed.
On November 17 2012 19:02 Ziggitz wrote: How dense are you people. You wanna throw a series? Two games up to maxed armies with elaborate army positioning and backstabs is not the way to do it. 10 pool vs 16 hatch 16 gas 17 pool is how you do it.
Your argument makes no sense, that would be very obvious and fuel the paranoias of conspiracy theorists.
Yeah, and it would lead to him potentially getting caught if he made it obvious. It's not difficult to simply play worse later in the game...
DISCLAIMER: I am once again not saying that I think Stephano threw it, but people are using such flawed logic to make it seem like it somehow isn't a possibility.
I think there's a possibility that you're retarded. I'm not saying you are, but it's still possible.
What a needless personal attack. I'm just being sensible and logical. I'm sorry if it is crushing your dream world where everyone plays for honor and not for money.
I'm just using your own flawed way of arguing.
No... if you were doing that, you would make a statement that would point out the logical flaw in my statement, rather than insulting me in a "witty" way.
Didn't he point out the flaw in your statement if you truly thought it was insulting instead of logical?
Ouch curious sends his queens too far out to deal with hero's void rays and phoenixes swoop in the pick up 3 kills but curious' infestors catch hero's air army and destroys it.
On November 17 2012 19:09 -Strider- wrote: Its a shame that Idra will have to play the tournament winner u_u
lold so hard. I'd fear someone BK 2-0'd too.
I lol'd too. I heard PvP is a very solid and well rounded matchup, and I also heard Idra's ZvP is amazing. He'll beat Rain no worries, he actually let DRG take games off of him ha ha ha
Sorry ShAdZ_ZX I should probably clarify as my previous post was misleading. Rain is going to beat Idra. Sure. That's a given. His ZvP is atrocious. But Rain being the tournament winner is where my loling came from.
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Then Stephano sure has gotten a lot worse lately
His ZvZ was never as good as his ZvP or ZvT.
I've never seen him play ZvZ this poorly, in game 2 he just threw away infestor energy and units on nothing, several times he split his army in two, attacking with only half of his units
I have. I've also seen him play terribly in his other matchups. Players make mistakes, it happens to the best of them. Before today I've never seen Rain played PvP completely mediocre, but it happens.
On November 17 2012 19:12 arew wrote: Well, once more. Stephano played pretty sloppy. He missed a lot of injects since the midgame, if you could check how much energy his Queens had. Also, his APM was pretty low the entire time, you should have checked how often he clicks his keyboard, usually he's by far faster. I'm not saying IdrA played bad, no way. He played really well, but I'm saying that Stephano played this not that good as he usually does, guess I'm not the only one who think so.
Glad I'm not the only one watching player cams.
What, how do you do this?
If you're not trolling, they are at the bottom of the regular cast, like face-cams but these are from a distance so you can see the mouse-keyboard hands. (on the tastosis stream)
On November 17 2012 19:17 Fionn wrote: Yeah, it was quite funny when they showed APM during the middle of the game and Idra was at 250+ and Stephano peaked at 60.
Well that moment was when Stephano had no fourth, no army and his harass was just shut down. There isn't much to do there.
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.
Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.
It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.
That's not what he said, you just made that up.
I may have misinterpreted what he said, but I am not just making things up. In fact, he responded directly towards what I said after you posted this, implying that it was what he meant. Otherwise he would have said "No, that's not what I was saying."
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote: lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.
Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.
Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........
Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.
Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.
Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.
It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.
Because you're assuming the worst out of players without any substantial evidence whatsoever.
I am not assuming the worst. I am assuming that they both tried to win. How is that assuming the worst? I am just acknowledging that the players had the opportunity to behave poorly. Why? Because they did due to Blizzard's predetermined brackets. In addition, Stephano has tried it in the past, so it really isn't fair to completely rule it out as a possibility, which many people in this thread are.
On November 17 2012 19:16 kochanfe wrote: Oh my fucking god. Oh my fucking god. OH MY FUCKING GOD! IdrA seriously just 2-0ed RorO AND Stephano. IdrA just 4-0ed the group of death... guess ZvZ really is a useful skill toi have :D
If Idra played Life or Leenock he would have gotten destroyed.
EPT
