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thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
November 17 2012 10:19 GMT
#7401
please correct me if i'm wrong. but didn't stephano once say he only plays sc2 for the money? what's with this forced projecting of community principles onto a player who's vocalized indifference towards them. Stephano is an individual, with a bevy of personal opinions and motivations. Oh yea.It's a 100k dollars. It's not unthinkable.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
November 17 2012 10:19 GMT
#7402
On November 17 2012 19:16 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:14 nkr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:13 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 nkr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:07 Derrida wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Ziggitz wrote:
How dense are you people. You wanna throw a series? Two games up to maxed armies with elaborate army positioning and backstabs is not the way to do it. 10 pool vs 16 hatch 16 gas 17 pool is how you do it.


Your argument makes no sense, that would be very obvious and fuel the paranoias of conspiracy theorists.


Yeah, and it would lead to him potentially getting caught if he made it obvious. It's not difficult to simply play worse later in the game...

DISCLAIMER: I am once again not saying that I think Stephano threw it, but people are using such flawed logic to make it seem like it somehow isn't a possibility.


I think there's a possibility that you're retarded. I'm not saying you are, but it's still possible.


What a needless personal attack. I'm just being sensible and logical. I'm sorry if it is crushing your dream world where everyone plays for honor and not for money.


I'm just using your own flawed way of arguing.


No... if you were doing that, you would make a statement that would point out the logical flaw in my statement, rather than insulting me in a "witty" way.


Ok, I'll spell it out for you since you don't get it.

Anything is possible. It is possible that every game this event has been staged and no one has actually tried their best. It is also possible there's no money in this tournament and the players are aware of it, hence not trying their best.

Arguing something just because it's possible is absolutely retarded unless you have something actually pointing towards it other than it being... possible.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 17 2012 10:19 GMT
#7403

On November 17 2012 19:11 Chicane wrote:

Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.

It's not a "very real possibility" because stephano isn't a dumbass. The Assembly thing with bratok was completely obvious and done in a joking way. I doubt millennium cared much about it. Fixing matches in a 100k tourney organized by fucking blizzard while you're on the (arguably) most high-profile team in sc2 and you have tens of thousands of people watching you on stream and in person, just to get a slightly better bracket is insanely stupid
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7404
On November 17 2012 19:18 McVities wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:12 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:10 McVities wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 -Strider- wrote:
Its a shame that Idra will have to play the tournament winner u_u


lold so hard. I'd fear someone BK 2-0'd too.


I lol'd too. I heard PvP is a very solid and well rounded matchup, and I also heard Idra's ZvP is amazing. He'll beat Rain no worries, he actually let DRG take games off of him ha ha ha


Sorry ShAdZ_ZX I should probably clarify as my previous post was misleading. Rain is going to beat Idra. Sure. That's a given. His ZvP is atrocious. But Rain being the tournament winner is where my loling came from.


Why is Rain being the tournament winner lol worthy? He is probably the favorite.
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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7405
On November 17 2012 19:17 Fionn wrote:
Yeah, it was quite funny when they showed APM during the middle of the game and Idra was at 250+ and Stephano peaked at 60.

Indeed, I started smiling once I saw this tho. Started watching Stephano's hand on the keyboard more oftenly since then. But once again, IdrA played well.
Also, would be pitty if Stephano loses to Hero somehow.
750/750 emotions fully stacked
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7406
You really cant tell if IdrA went on a gaming run or if Stephano threw the game away
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Savant.GL
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany502 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7407
Well played from Idra, absolutely fantastic.

I am incredibly disappointed but not totally surprised that anyone( Least of all an admin of TL ) would try to play down his fantastic achievement of taking out two incredible zerg players in legitimate, excellent games. .

I will put this down to personal prejudice against Idra or for Stephano.

Idra has always been an excellent player and I think he proved it here today.
Savant
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7408
wow, well done Idra. Glad to see him do so well StarCraft needs a idra.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7409
On November 17 2012 19:17 Fionn wrote:
Yeah, it was quite funny when they showed APM during the middle of the game and Idra was at 250+ and Stephano peaked at 60.


I only caught the ending of the game. If this is true, it's pretty overwhelming evidence that he threw the game.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7410
On November 17 2012 19:18 zefreak wrote:
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On November 17 2012 19:15 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:10 Valikyr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:08 emjaytron wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Lylat wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:05 Dodgin wrote:
In other news Leenock has been cheering on Greg on twitter all night, maybe that's why he did so well.

https://twitter.com/FXOleenock

Lol this is cute, I thought koeans didn't really liked Idra !


Well it could just be that Leenock of all people should recognise good zvz

Nah that can't be it. Leenock is involved in this conspiracy. John the Translator, Church of Satan and Illuminati too.


A slight exaggeration, but I do agree with you.


Koreans have always liked Idra, because hes one of the only foreigners who played in Korea in BW.


A Lot of Koreans also have respect for Idra for his skill, especially earlier on WoL. (Maybe a bit less now, but the results of this tournament/games may turn that around yet again).
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7411
On November 17 2012 19:19 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:15 Integra wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:14 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:13 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote:
lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.


Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.

Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........


Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.



Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.


Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.


It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.

That's not what he said, you just made that up.


I may have misinterpreted what he said, but I am not just making things up. In fact, he responded directly towards what I said after you posted this, implying that it was what he meant. Otherwise he would have said "No, that's not what I was saying."

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:14 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:13 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote:
lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.


Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.

Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........


Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.



Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.


Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.


It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.


Because you're assuming the worst out of players without any substantial evidence whatsoever.


I am not assuming the worst. I am assuming that they both tried to win. How is that assuming the worst? I am just acknowledging that the players had the opportunity to behave poorly. Why? Because they did due to Blizzard's predetermined brackets. In addition, Stephano has tried it in the past, so it really isn't fair to completely rule it out as a possibility, which many people in this thread are.

And you keep making up or assuming stuff, LOL.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7412
THAT WALL
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7413
Lucifron is really frustrating me he's on 10 Vikings and still producing and there's not a single Corruptor in sight
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7414
On November 17 2012 19:19 thepuppyassassin wrote:
please correct me if i'm wrong. but didn't stephano once say he only plays sc2 for the money? what's with this forced projecting of community principles onto a player who's vocalized indifference towards them. Stephano is an individual, with a bevy of personal opinions and motivations. Oh yea.It's a 100k dollars. It's not unthinkable.


no one wants to think of their hero as a bad guy
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7415


If Idra played Life or Leenock he would have gotten destroyed.

If

They aren't even in this tournament so I have no idea why you would even bring this up
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7416
On November 17 2012 19:19 MangoMountain wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:11 Chicane wrote:

Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.

It's not a "very real possibility" because stephano isn't a dumbass. The Assembly thing with bratok was completely obvious and done in a joking way. I doubt millennium cared much about it. Fixing matches in a 100k tourney organized by fucking blizzard while you're on the (arguably) most high-profile team in sc2 and you have tens of thousands of people watching you on stream and in person, just to get a slightly better bracket is insanely stupid

and if he were caught in any way he would probably be banned from tournaments either forever or for a very long time.
Maruprime.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 10:21:24
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7417
Hero moves out with his pre hive timing as curious backstabs but hero prepared for it well with his walls and takes less damage, hero is tearing down spine crawlers.
Glorious SEA doto
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 17 2012 10:20 GMT
#7418
So IdrA dominates his group and probably will end up having to play against Rain anyways
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 17 2012 10:21 GMT
#7419
On November 17 2012 19:19 thepuppyassassin wrote:
please correct me if i'm wrong. but didn't stephano once say he only plays sc2 for the money? what's with this forced projecting of community principles onto a player who's vocalized indifference towards them. Stephano is an individual, with a bevy of personal opinions and motivations. Oh yea.It's a 100k dollars. It's not unthinkable.


He's on EG, money isn't a problem for him anymore. If he does it and it works out, he gets a slightly better bracket. If he gets caught, his entire career is over. Seems reasonable to you?
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
November 17 2012 10:21 GMT
#7420
idra will play Rain most likely then? rofl, gl with that grack
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