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1st_Panzer_Div.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States621 Posts
October 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#2021
Damn Rain is good. Too bad Rain vs MVP is happening next round, was hoping we could save that for a full final Bo7.
Manager, Team RIP ZeeZ
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
October 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#2022
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
October 03 2012 20:01 GMT
#2023
On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.


Just like Boxer is "lucky" to start the game early 10 years ago. He certainly doesn't possess the skill level of Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, or even Baby. But it doesn't matter, he's still the most iconic e-sports figure on this planet.

InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
October 03 2012 20:13 GMT
#2024
On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.


Your post tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, it's probably best for everyone to ignore you.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:27:32
October 03 2012 20:15 GMT
#2025
On October 04 2012 05:01 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.


Just like Boxer is "lucky" to start the game early 10 years ago. He certainly doesn't possess the skill level of Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, or even Baby. But it doesn't matter, he's still the most iconic e-sports figure on this planet.


A comment from you was inevitable seeing how your on here 24/7. The difference between the Boxer situation and the MVP situation is that when boxer started SC when everybody was on the same level. Boxer just surpassed his peers. So comparing boxer to flash is pretty dumb because of the different timelines. Flash used what boxer created and built upon it. In MVPs situation there were already a bunch of players better than him that didn't transition until recently.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
October 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#2026
On October 04 2012 05:13 InoyouS2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.


Your post tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, it's probably best for everyone to ignore you.

Feel free. Whatever floats your boat.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 21:07:38
October 03 2012 20:18 GMT
#2027
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcraft 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
October 03 2012 20:20 GMT
#2028
awh fuck! forgot this was today.
Mmm, what to watch.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
October 03 2012 20:21 GMT
#2029
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
October 03 2012 20:24 GMT
#2030
On October 04 2012 05:13 InoyouS2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.


Your post tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, it's probably best for everyone to ignore you.

not to mention that boxer's last finals were in 07...
eujjjjj
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:32:41
October 03 2012 20:30 GMT
#2031
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
October 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#2032
On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
October 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#2033
Can we get some appreciation of how damn good the semis could be? Rain, MVP, MKP, and Taeja.
holy
shit
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:44:23
October 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#2034
On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:59 Ace1123 wrote:
YEY MVP! Please 5th ever GSL Champ and engrave your name in the SC history forever!

I will say that MVP is extremely lucky that the Kespa players didn't transition sooner.


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

MVP was never a significant player to keep track of in BW. 39 % win rate is a classic no-name progamer record. And nowhere it is solid. At least he didn't choke and was an a-teamer full time as far as I know. Still he didn't have that many games played. Not a single BW fan would tell that MVP was a good player. He was mediocre and ok at best.
And as far as I know he was the first pro to transfer to SC2. He certainly did his SC2 homework well. But that's about it. I sincerely hope that kespa player shall open a completely new chapter for SC2 skill level
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:40:52
October 03 2012 20:40 GMT
#2035
On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.


It's nothing like RJJ.

More like the Klitchkos.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 03 2012 20:42 GMT
#2036
On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.


Time periods are irrelevant if you're going to argue about fiction, if they had been playing Starcraft 2 but only between themselves in Kespa leagues and Mvp won all his championships in leagues where they didn't compete I would agree with that. They were not Starcraft 2 players at the time, you can try to guess and assume which of them would have been the best at Starcraft 2 in 2010/2011 but that's pointless. I don't see people arguing about if Moon or Grubby would have won OSL's had they played Brood War instead.

Sure the competition would have been tougher, perhaps Mvp would overcome it and win anyway, perhaps he would never win a single GSL. Like I said before might as well argue about Nada vs Flash in 2003.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:42:39
October 03 2012 20:42 GMT
#2037
On October 04 2012 05:40 Snijjer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.


It's nothing like RJJ.

More like the Klitchkos.

Roy Jones had some pretty farce competiton too.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
October 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#2038
On October 04 2012 05:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.


Time periods are irrelevant if you're going to argue about fiction, if they had been playing Starcraft 2 but only between themselves in Kespa leagues and Mvp won all his championships in leagues where they didn't compete I would agree with that. They were not Starcraft 2 players at the time, you can try to guess and assume which of them would have been the best at Starcraft 2 in 2010/2011 but that's pointless. I don't see people arguing about if Moon or Grubby would have won OSL's had they played Brood War instead.

Sure the competition would have been tougher, perhaps Mvp would overcome it and win anyway, perhaps he would never win a single GSL. Like I said before might as well argue about Nada vs Flash in 2003.

Like I said, it was a Brood War pro vs amatures.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 20:54:01
October 03 2012 20:53 GMT
#2039
I really hope we shall see SC2 become more entertaining to watch with a lot pro emerging on to the scene. I hope the skill cap shall boost quickly.
BW fans like me are spoiled to the bone by the epic history and we demand much more that SC2 can currently give at a spectator level. But I still do watch, mostly because of a lot bw players transitioning. In my head SC2 shall continue to be a mere shadow until players find the way to make it really shine. I think everyone old enough to witness BW knows what I'm talking about.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 03 2012 20:58 GMT
#2040
lmao MVP is still the fucking boss!!! I knew the only way Symbol could take a game off MVP was cheese lol
And damnnnnnnn Rain, you need to slow down bro!
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