[Code S] RO8 Day 1 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 102

On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.

On October 04 2012 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:

Uh no nick, it doesn't make as much sense as my claim. MVP was lucky in the sense that the level of competition was much easier thus allowing him to get so many titles. If the Kespa players transitioned as soon as he did, the level of competition would have surely been much harder. He was basically a Brood War pro going up against amatures. Your post only confirms my statement. If he gets more titles now that the level of competiton has risen, I will be impressed. Also MVP doesn't have "wins" over flash. He has one win, with losses that trail it.

On October 04 2012 05:01 ElephantBaby wrote:


Just like Boxer is "lucky" to start the game early 10 years ago. He certainly doesn't possess the skill level of Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, or even Baby. But it doesn't matter, he's still the most iconic e-sports figure on this planet.

On October 04 2012 05:13 InoyouS2 wrote:


Your post tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, it's probably best for everyone to ignore you.

On October 04 2012 05:18 Dodgin wrote:
honestly this discussion is pretty stupid, we'll never know what would have happened because it didn't. They all had the chance to break off from kespa and try starcrat 2 but they didn't take it, their loss. Maybe they could have won 4 GSL's and made 300,000$ instead.

On October 04 2012 05:13 InoyouS2 wrote:


Your post tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, it's probably best for everyone to ignore you.

On October 04 2012 05:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:

Yah it may be a dumb discussion to you but its still a fact.

On October 04 2012 05:30 Dodgin wrote:


Not much to discuss if It's a " fact "

It's pointless fictional speculation, It's like asking if Nada would still win 3 OSL's and 3 MSL's if 2010 Flash went back in time to challenge him.

I mean if you feel like attempting to devalue his accomplishments because " the competition was a farce! " then cool go ahead, but that's pretty disrespectful.

On October 04 2012 00:48 Nick_54 wrote:


Flash was really lucky they didn't transition sooner... yeah that makes about as much sense as your claim. They didn't transition, so it does not matter. MVP was a very solid player near the end of his BW career. He has wins over Stork, Best, Jangbi, Effort, Flash, Mind, Snow,2-0 over Baby in MSL ro16. He was a solid A teamer at that point.

On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.

On October 04 2012 05:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
lol flash and Nada were from two different timeliness and eras when MVP transitioned there were a lot of people from the same era that were better then him that hadn't transitioned. I like MVP a lot and if you think that I am trying to devalue his accomplishments, I'm not. In reality he has won many championships, yes. But did those championships have the best of the best? No. It's much like Roy Jones junior.

On October 04 2012 05:40 Snijjer wrote:


It's nothing like RJJ.

More like the Klitchkos.

On October 04 2012 05:42 Dodgin wrote:


Time periods are irrelevant if you're going to argue about fiction, if they had been playing Starcraft 2 but only between themselves in Kespa leagues and Mvp won all his championships in leagues where they didn't compete I would agree with that. They were not Starcraft 2 players at the time, you can try to guess and assume which of them would have been the best at Starcraft 2 in 2010/2011 but that's pointless. I don't see people arguing about if Moon or Grubby would have won OSL's had they played Brood War instead.

Sure the competition would have been tougher, perhaps Mvp would overcome it and win anyway, perhaps he would never win a single GSL. Like I said before might as well argue about Nada vs Flash in 2003.