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Apparently some people are dumb enough to STILL be asking for it, so let's make things clear:

Do NOT ask for re-streams, and do NOT post re-streams.

Do not come here and muddle the thread by bitching about PPV.
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
February 26 2012 10:32 GMT
#4801
HuK is just solid as always but man whatever happened to nestea
Hope DRG will take it all
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Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
February 26 2012 10:35 GMT
#4802
On February 26 2012 19:13 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans

South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent.


I don't know, Stephano's pretty good.


1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas.

I thought this was a joke?
Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA?


People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best.


"The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz?

HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable.


yeah, compared with MKP's it is insane, such horribly unfair brackets


MKP has been playing really well recently, hes coming into some good form. The only people hes lost to recently have been genius and DRG, who also happen to be this gsl's code S finalists. Everyone else got steamrolled.

I really think hes the favorite to win but he will probably end up in second place.
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
February 26 2012 10:38 GMT
#4803
Just Koreans and Huk, not going to watch from here on probably. Nice games yesterday though.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 26 2012 10:38 GMT
#4804
MKP's vP is probably the best in the world at the moment, which has kind of slipped past without people noticing. He has the right mix of gimmicky early-game rushes and even more gimmicky early-game rushes to take advantage of Protoss's relative weakness early game, before the mass splash or 2base Gateway all-ins get really good.
nappeee
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland169 Posts
February 26 2012 10:41 GMT
#4805
Loving the tournament all my favorites doing good except idra losing like always. Love to see ppl still crying about huk tho
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
February 26 2012 10:47 GMT
#4806
On February 26 2012 19:38 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Just Koreans and Huk, not going to watch from here on probably. Nice games yesterday though.


I have never understood people that want to see only foreigners and refuse to watch Koreans.

I can't believe HuK still thinks PvP is his worst match-up, seems to be serving him well so far.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 10:59:00
February 26 2012 10:56 GMT
#4807
On February 26 2012 18:21 ZenithM wrote:
How sick would that be if DRG won MLG and GSL back to back. He deserves it honestly.


If DRG wins MLG he will lose GSL, just like Leenock :D

Damn naniwa, y u no scout???

And huk, really? BUUUU! BUUU! OZ looked surprised that he is facing a toss that knows shit. I really feel that Huk doesn't deserve to be there.

And both MVP and Nestea eliminated by foreigners must tell us something.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 26 2012 10:59 GMT
#4808
On February 26 2012 19:56 ceaRshaf wrote:

And both MVP and Nestea eliminated by foreigners must tell us something.


MVP was eliminated by Ganzi.
PradamadeR
Profile Joined February 2012
123 Posts
February 26 2012 11:12 GMT
#4809
MKP looks so good this tournament i think he will take this mlg and finally win a major
he is in perfect shape recently just went down in the group of death in gsl ( were drg and genius advanced)
all killed in gstl and now just dropping one map in the entire touranment ..
It is Time MKP ,it is time .
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
February 26 2012 11:17 GMT
#4810
On February 26 2012 19:47 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 19:38 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Just Koreans and Huk, not going to watch from here on probably. Nice games yesterday though.


I have never understood people that want to see only foreigners and refuse to watch Koreans.

I can't believe HuK still thinks PvP is his worst match-up, seems to be serving him well so far.

I do understand them, because I'm almost the same, I only want to see Koreans and refuse to watch foreigners. Oh, and I love Korean vs Foreigner match too, for a variety of reasons including sadism and hilarity.

Well at least I got a decent excuse for my behavior in only wanting to watch the best. I appreciate watching a few foreigners here and there too, if they are up to par like Stephano, Huk or Nani.

The combination of a mediocre pro scene and fans who have zero appreciation of true skill will kill StarCraft2 outside of Korea soon enough. The big majority of fans can only take so much hard truth in their faces before they give up and leave for another pro scene, like LoL, where the current top team is CLG, composed of people who speak their language and look more like them. It's not like we don't have precedents (BW).
in a state of trance
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 26 2012 11:18 GMT
#4811
On February 26 2012 20:12 PradamadeR wrote:
MKP looks so good this tournament i think he will take this mlg and finally win a major
he is in perfect shape recently just went down in the group of death in gsl ( were drg and genius advanced)
all killed in gstl and now just dropping one map in the entire touranment ..
It is Time MKP ,it is time .


No MKP it's not time, I hope he get second though! ^_^
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
February 26 2012 11:19 GMT
#4812
On February 26 2012 19:47 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 19:38 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Just Koreans and Huk, not going to watch from here on probably. Nice games yesterday though.


I have never understood people that want to see only foreigners and refuse to watch Koreans.


Because it's a huge clichè when they win, as they so often do.
I find myself watching tournaments until RO8/RO4, and just stop when there are only koreans left.
Niiza
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom60 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 11:24:37
February 26 2012 11:20 GMT
#4813
On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans

South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent.


I don't know, Stephano's pretty good.


1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas.

I thought this was a joke?
Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA?


People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best.


"The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz?

HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable.


So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one Korean and that's jammy?

What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place.

Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results.

Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 26 2012 11:21 GMT
#4814
On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans

South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent.


I don't know, Stephano's pretty good.


1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas.

I thought this was a joke?
Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA?


People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best.


"The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz?

HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable.


So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy?

What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place.

Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results.

Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs


Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Niiza
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom60 Posts
February 26 2012 11:29 GMT
#4815
On February 26 2012 20:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans

South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent.


I don't know, Stephano's pretty good.


1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas.

I thought this was a joke?
Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA?


People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best.


"The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz?

HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable.


So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy?

What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place.

Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results.

Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs


Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run.


Okay let's have a look
Leenock: dde(F) - thorzain(F) - oz(K) - down to losers
Oz Idra(F) - Demuslim(F) - Oz(K) - Huk(F) - down to losers

That's two, can't be bothered to go further
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
February 26 2012 11:44 GMT
#4816
gogogo HuK Fighting!!!
<3 Moonbattles
Wallstreet11
Profile Joined October 2011
133 Posts
February 26 2012 12:07 GMT
#4817
On February 26 2012 13:36 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.

so should players ahve to play with the standard hotkeys too?
should every player ahve to use the same control groups?


finding ways to do things effeciently is part of teh game, what about ZvZs? should certain inject strats be banned?


"Efficiency" should be something that the player brings. Sjow for example has low APM but is considered to be very efficient. A "mouse scroll trick" fakes it by letting you make one Action(the scrolling) into multiple actions(A lot of snipes/Infested marines). By having mechanics like this it overrides the personal gamers "efficiency skills" since 20 infested marines takes the same time to spawn for a bronze leaguer and a grand master if it only takes one scroll to do. If it was considered necessary from a balance point of view that is another story.
PureBalls
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria383 Posts
February 26 2012 12:27 GMT
#4818
On February 26 2012 13:34 Forikorder wrote:
ZvP needs some serious rework, it seems like every battle is predicatble in the following way

if the protoss is in a choke or ahs forcefields he wins
if no forcefields but is maxed with a good deathball teh toss wins
othersise the zerg wins

its not that black and white but it seems that to be 90% true after watching some of teh ZvPs

How is that a bad thing?
PureBalls
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria383 Posts
February 26 2012 12:34 GMT
#4819
On February 26 2012 13:41 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.

Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess).

personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted.

Not different to muta stacking in BW, or hold lurkers.

A "glitch" in the game, thats being abused for more gosu play.
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
February 26 2012 12:35 GMT
#4820
On February 26 2012 20:29 Niiza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 20:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:
On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans

South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent.


I don't know, Stephano's pretty good.


1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas.

I thought this was a joke?
Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA?


People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best.


"The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz?

HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable.


So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy?

What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place.

Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results.

Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs


Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run.


Okay let's have a look
Leenock: dde(F) - thorzain(F) - oz(K) - down to losers
Oz Idra(F) - Demuslim(F) - Oz(K) - Huk(F) - down to losers

That's two, can't be bothered to go further


Both ways are much harder than Huks lol
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