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On February 26 2012 21:07 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:36 Forikorder wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. so should players ahve to play with the standard hotkeys too? should every player ahve to use the same control groups? finding ways to do things effeciently is part of teh game, what about ZvZs? should certain inject strats be banned? "Efficiency" should be something that the player brings. Sjow for example has low APM but is considered to be very efficient. A "mouse scroll trick" fakes it by letting you make one Action(the scrolling) into multiple actions(A lot of snipes/Infested marines). By having mechanics like this it overrides the personal gamers "efficiency skills" since 20 infested marines takes the same time to spawn for a bronze leaguer and a grand master if it only takes one scroll to do. If it was considered necessary from a balance point of view that is another story.
I kind of agree. But on the other hand, it's just brainlessly spamming one single button as fast as you can in a very short amount of time, and skill in Starcraft is not remotely defined by that ability.
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On February 26 2012 21:49 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 21:07 Wallstreet11 wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 Forikorder wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. so should players ahve to play with the standard hotkeys too? should every player ahve to use the same control groups? finding ways to do things effeciently is part of teh game, what about ZvZs? should certain inject strats be banned? "Efficiency" should be something that the player brings. Sjow for example has low APM but is considered to be very efficient. A "mouse scroll trick" fakes it by letting you make one Action(the scrolling) into multiple actions(A lot of snipes/Infested marines). By having mechanics like this it overrides the personal gamers "efficiency skills" since 20 infested marines takes the same time to spawn for a bronze leaguer and a grand master if it only takes one scroll to do. If it was considered necessary from a balance point of view that is another story. I kind of agree. But on the other hand, it's just brainlessly spamming one single button as fast as you can in a very short amount of time, and skill in Starcraft is not remotely defined by that ability.
Can't Zerg players hold down a single key to pick a unit for all their larvae? How is that any different than a fast scroll when it comes to efficiency and one action becoming the same as multiple actions? And why does it matter? It's how you use the actions.
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On February 26 2012 21:34 PureBalls wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 13:41 sc14s wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess). personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted. Not different to muta stacking in BW, or hold lurkers. A "glitch" in the game, thats being abused for more gosu play.
But its not s glitch in them game. You needexternal software like a driver to do it..
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On February 26 2012 19:13 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans
South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent. I don't know, Stephano's pretty good. 1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source). 2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas. I thought this was a joke? Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA? People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse.. Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best. "The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz? HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable. yeah, compared with MKP's it is insane, such horribly unfair brackets
You realize that HuK would have played MVP in the quarter-finals had Ret not beaten him? And Leenock in the semi-finals had Oz not beaten him? Not to mention Nestea and others who were eliminated earlier. How the hell is that bracket "unfair" in any way? HuK beat everyone he faced, including the two players who together had defeated MVP, Leenock, SaSe, Idra and Demuslim. It's crazy how some people on this board dismiss HuK's victories as meaningless when the players that are currently considered better (such as MVP and Leenock) actually performed worse than him (and, in fact, lost) against the same opponents.
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On February 26 2012 16:55 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 16:48 charcute wrote:On February 26 2012 16:43 Geo.Rion wrote:Was there any statement about how many viwers do they have with the new system? On February 26 2012 16:41 charcute wrote:
People talking about coin flip in pvp just doesn't understand the game. "I can't understand something, it's must be cause of luck" i dont have a clue about PvP but pretty much every progmaer interview i read about PvP said it s luckbased and gimmicke. Well then they will talk about luck in any match up... mirror match up isn't more luck based than tvp or tvz Yes it is. There is no defenders advantage in PvP and you have limited information/scouting to make your choice and you have to make a choice on BO, like within 2-3 min. Scout the right place you win or Guess right you win. Scout wrong place or guess wring you lose. SC2 is a game of imperfect info the first few minutes and Protoss has no effective defenders advantage to make error like spines or bunkers. Give protoss cannons after GW and every PVP would be macro.
I think that is going to happen in HotS, with those new nexus macro mechanics. The insta-cannons (arch light, or what ever) is gonna be good to fend of attacks.
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Ok so I just watched game 1 idra vs nestea. I think that nestea digraced the fans by doing a drone rush like that. Lets take his MLG seed away. Its only an invitation after all...
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On February 26 2012 19:59 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 19:56 ceaRshaf wrote:
And both MVP and Nestea eliminated by foreigners must tell us something. MVP was eliminated by Ganzi.
Ganzi is form USA.
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On February 26 2012 22:07 windzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 21:34 PureBalls wrote:On February 26 2012 13:41 sc14s wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess). personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted. Not different to muta stacking in BW, or hold lurkers. A "glitch" in the game, thats being abused for more gosu play. But its not s glitch in them game. You needexternal software like a driver to do it..
And no mouse on this planet can function without a driver. Not even the unbranded white ones from china.
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Why are there no results in the OP?
Isn't this a LR?
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On February 26 2012 22:31 PureBalls wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 22:07 windzor wrote:On February 26 2012 21:34 PureBalls wrote:On February 26 2012 13:41 sc14s wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess). personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted. Not different to muta stacking in BW, or hold lurkers. A "glitch" in the game, thats being abused for more gosu play. But its not s glitch in them game. You needexternal software like a driver to do it.. And no mouse on this planet can function without a driver. Not even the unbranded white ones from china.
The point is you have to go out of your way to program a mouse outside of the game to do things that weren't INTENDED by Blizzard.
Hold Lurkers is a whole different beast. That doesn't involve anything outside the game. Same with muta stacking, and all the other inside game techniques. The mouse scroll trick is stupid in my opinion because you are basically programming the mouse to left click based off the wheel function.
PS: Believe it or not there are still mouse out there that don't have the middle wheel on them.
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On February 26 2012 21:35 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 20:29 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On February 26 2012 16:57 twndomn wrote:
Top 8 of MLG = 1 Canadian, 1 Swedish, and 6 Koreans
South of Canadian borders for rest of pan America has no SC talent. I don't know, Stephano's pretty good. 1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source). 2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas. I thought this was a joke? Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA? People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse.. Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best. "The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz? HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable. So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy? What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place. Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results. Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs  Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run. Okay let's have a look Leenock: dde(F) - thorzain(F) - oz(K) - down to losers Oz Idra(F) - Demuslim(F) - Oz(K) - Huk(F) - down to losers That's two, can't be bothered to go further Both ways are much harder than Huks lol
Seriously?
So if HuK had PvTs instead of PvPs that would have been harder for HuK? And Leenock playing ret would have been easy stuff? Really, please instead of these one liners put some explanation into your comments, I'm beginning to think people are just trolling.
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On February 26 2012 22:35 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 22:31 PureBalls wrote:On February 26 2012 22:07 windzor wrote:On February 26 2012 21:34 PureBalls wrote:On February 26 2012 13:41 sc14s wrote:On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it. Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method. It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess. Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess). personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted. Not different to muta stacking in BW, or hold lurkers. A "glitch" in the game, thats being abused for more gosu play. But its not s glitch in them game. You needexternal software like a driver to do it.. And no mouse on this planet can function without a driver. Not even the unbranded white ones from china. The point is you have to go out of your way to program a mouse outside of the game to do things that weren't INTENDED by Blizzard. Hold Lurkers is a whole different beast. That doesn't involve anything outside the game. Same with muta stacking, and all the other inside game techniques. The mouse scroll trick is stupid in my opinion because you are basically programming the mouse to left click based off the wheel function. PS: Believe it or not there are still mouse out there that don't have the middle wheel on them.
I bet there are still players out there using a ball mouse, instead of the laser mouse. Should laser mice be forbidden, because they give players an unfair advantage (precision)?
(this is also outside of the game)
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On February 26 2012 22:41 Niiza wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 21:35 Titorelli wrote:On February 26 2012 20:29 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:On February 26 2012 16:58 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
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I don't know, Stephano's pretty good. 1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source). 2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas. I thought this was a joke? Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA? People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse.. Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best. "The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz? HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable. So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy? What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place. Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results. Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run. Okay let's have a look Leenock: dde(F) - thorzain(F) - oz(K) - down to losers Oz Idra(F) - Demuslim(F) - Oz(K) - Huk(F) - down to losers That's two, can't be bothered to go further Both ways are much harder than Huks lol Seriously? So if HuK had PvTs instead of PvPs that would have been harder for HuK? And Leenock playing ret would have been easy stuff? Really, please instead of these one liners put some explanation into your comments, I'm beginning to think people are just trolling.
It is pretty much self-explanatory. But if you really dont get it and need and explanation here you go: Huk beat: Minigun Socke ret Oz. Oz beat Idra Demuslim Leenock and then lost to Huk. Now, I think that all of the opponents of Oz are much better than the opponents of Huk. This could be said about everyone. huk simply had the easiest opponents of this tournament so far. The only Korean he had to play was Oz. And that was a PvP. Pretty much all of the pro protoss players say that pvp is random and everyone can beat everyone everytime regardless of respective skill.
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Is there a short summary of Naniwa vs Nestea/Leenock somewhere in here?
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MLG has been awesome, should it have been ppv no. I was just as entertained with assembly as in MLG and it didn't cost me 20$. Thought it was smart of Polt and Stephano not to qualify for mlg, not as many top koreans with a strong prize pool up for grabs. Back to MLG, looking forward to Violet or DRG making it to the finals out of the loser bracket. Specialty Violet who is slipping under the radar.
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On February 26 2012 22:50 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 22:41 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 21:35 Titorelli wrote:On February 26 2012 20:29 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 20:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 26 2012 20:20 Niiza wrote:On February 26 2012 18:14 SeaSwift wrote:On February 26 2012 18:10 SupLilSon wrote:On February 26 2012 17:39 GoSuChicken wrote:On February 26 2012 17:11 dormer wrote:
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1) Huk apparently has dual citizenship in the US and Canada and lived in both growing up (according to his bio on TLPro which is now gone, so if that's wrong feel free to link to a current, correct source).
2) Stephano is from France, which isn't part of the Americas. I thought this was a joke? Or do people really think that Stephano is from USA? People need to stop using that "joke"... if it can be called that. Talk about beating a dead horse.. Also, nice to see that HuK's hard work in Korea is paying off in some degree of consistency against the best. "The best"? You mean Minigun, Socke, Ret and one PvP series vs Oz? HuK got the jammiest route to the Winner's Bracket finals imaginable. So Huk beat 3 foreigners(Ret being in awesome form) and one korean and that's Jammy? What's with all the foreigner hate, that's already better than Leenock, Oz, MVP, DRG, MC, Violet and most of the others. Only Parting/MarineKing had routes that could be called less "jammy". So I'd say HuK deserves his at least third place. Also only HuK could lose a game to Minigun one day, and then 2-0 Oz the next, he might not have consistency but he sure can get results. Don't know how this will work out for DRG though, he's getting a lot of ZvP practice, I'd guess genius is paying $20 for those VODs Pick any player and look at his run at this event and then compare it to Huks run. Okay let's have a look Leenock: dde(F) - thorzain(F) - oz(K) - down to losers Oz Idra(F) - Demuslim(F) - Oz(K) - Huk(F) - down to losers That's two, can't be bothered to go further Both ways are much harder than Huks lol Seriously? So if HuK had PvTs instead of PvPs that would have been harder for HuK? And Leenock playing ret would have been easy stuff? Really, please instead of these one liners put some explanation into your comments, I'm beginning to think people are just trolling. It is pretty much self-explanatory. But if you really dont get it and need and explanation here you go: Huk beat: Minigun Socke ret Oz. Oz beat Idra Demuslim Leenock and then lost to Huk.
Huk's opponents were Protoss and Ret. What did you say about protoss? And if you think Leenock/Idra outplayed Ret, I would say you didn't watch their games.
A reminder of their results
Leenock 2-1 DDe. Leenock 2-1 Thorzain. Leenock 0-2 Oz. Leenock 1-2 Naniwa
Idra 1-2 Oz. Idra 0-2 Nestea
Ret 2-1 Sase. Ret 2-1 MvP. Ret 1-2 HuK. Ret 0-2 DRG
I have the feeling had OZ and HuK had their brackets reversed you would say the exact same thing, you'd have said Oz had 3 rng games and would eventually have to have lost and Ret was reaching new heights, whereas Idra and Leenock flopped this tournament.
To be honest I looked at those brackets and I thought Oz had easy street playing players way below his level and was surprised he even lost to HuK. I watched HuKs matches and was not confident that HuK would pull out a win against a single of his opponents. I know Oz is the better player but the credit in this tournament definitely goes to HuK.
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