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On December 13 2011 21:42 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:37 TraderSC wrote:
Naniwa did it becouse he had no chance of advancing, when he plays in a tournament he plays to win. He had no reason to put effort into that game. I don't really understand why you are mad at him, to me he didn't do anything wrong. If I'm tuning in to watch the Chicago Cubs (or even worse if I am at Wrigley Field) and it's late September and they've already been eliminated, then I expect to see a competitive match. They may be fielding all their minor league talent but I expect the match to be played to full regardless of it not having any impact whatsoever in the pennant race. If I see both teams going up and bunting every time just so they can get the game over quicker then I'm going to be pissed. Just like I'm pissed at Naniwa right now. If he didn't want to play a macro game then he could have attempted a 4gate or a cannon rush or anything that wasn't simply 1-Aing his probes into Nestea's main.
Naniwa did field his "minor league talent", how often do you see probe-only battles?
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On December 13 2011 21:40 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:34 Devolved wrote:On December 13 2011 21:19 DeekZ wrote:
Wow you guys are fucking morons, it's not "disgusting" behaviour, it's not even disrespectful, put yourself in his shoes for a moment and stop being cuntbags. He went 0-3 in a huge tournament and gets eliminated and is then forced to play a game that doesn't matter. He does not play this game to entertain you so stop being spastics.
A few pages back someone actually said they hope it's the end of his Starcraft career.. like seriously? Actually, he does play games to entertain us. That's what eSports is. Advertisers and sponsors financially support professional SC2 players, teams and tournaments because of viewers like us. There are viewers because we are entertained by the games. See how this eSports thing works? Sorry but you are wrong. Esport is were it is due to the competative nature, not because its entertainment. Players play to win and its that excitement that brings the crowds. The players are no fucking clowns whos job is to amuse tl.net. Then as a side effect we have had a situation were sponsors can also make money from clowns who cant win but draws viewers by entertaining, such as incontrol and destiny. But you cant put that as the nr 1 position for a player and not compare it with competative gaming. Naniwa play to win, not to entertain!
Yea right, like he did in the game against Nestea. Also can´t believe you put incontrol. And destiny in the same sentence.
nub.
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On December 13 2011 21:42 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:34 PapaJed wrote:On December 13 2011 21:29 Pipeline wrote:On December 13 2011 21:21 Angelbelow wrote:On December 13 2011 21:18 Talin wrote:On December 13 2011 21:16 ethorn wrote:
Nice overreaction by you forum guys.
How can you blame him?
He is pissed off and have no motivation to play after getting cheesed out of the tournament.
That last match means literally nothing for both of the players and shouldn't even have been played. It's a stupid format. It is far beyond most people at TL to understand human emotion. We want PROFESSIONALISM in ESPORTS, fuck how the players feel. -_- Surprised to see a post like this coming from you. Obviously I disagree here. While I think the forum has greatly overreacted, I still wouldn't shy away from calling naniwa's behavior disrespectful to Gomtv, fans, and other professionals. If anything it is disrespectful of Gom to make players play worthless matches. There was no reason at all for that game to played. After that a bunch of forum people start complaining like there is no tomorrow. And you talk about professionalism? In what sport does a player or a team send out their a-team to play a match that doesnt matter??? We see this behaviour in every sport almost so I really dont understand the mass of haters. Uhum? In every sport teams play matches that "doesn´t mean anything" but the pride in winning. That´s the very foundation of all sports. You seriously think the teams in the football world cup play to win some prizemoney? Even if a crappy team loses all their games they will still fight like crazy to take at least one win with them home, to show their fans that they tried their very best. You obviously don´t watch sports, or at least doesnt understand it. Since you bring up football we can compare it to champions league. Last stage of group play when teams are already qualified you always see teams change their entire line-up for reserves. I guarantee you they don't do it for the fans....
That's not the fucking point. It's about respect - for yourself, the people and effort involved in sponsoring you, your team and setting up the tournament and for the overall philosophy of competitive sports.
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Norway25712 Posts
Every time Leenock plays, I wait for baneling landmines.
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On December 13 2011 21:45 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:43 thirnaz wrote:
SeltzerPlease Rachel Quirico
.@QuanticNani's choices are his own, and the show is still entertaining. <3 #GSL #DoYourThang #ProductionAintMad
So the production of GOM is fine with it, but nerds on forums are crying :< She knows if the GOM execs are fine with it?
She works there so i guess she knows since she wrote about it
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On December 13 2011 21:44 Hopelessnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:43 MBH wrote:
So if nobody wins 2 games, we'll have IEM all over again? do you prefer dreamhack?
What happened there?
I only remember Socke,Ace and....Sjow?? battling it out for 2 hours or so.
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On December 13 2011 21:42 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:40 zestzorb wrote:
To those arguing that there was nothing on the line. Have u ever watched football leagues? Meaningless matches are usually played at the end of the seasons and the teams played to win. Even though they might not use their best players but no team purposely throw the game away. Naniwa is very unprofessional and deserves a punishment. lol at this. teams rest their best players and you still compare it with playing to win? Naniwa is one person, would it be ok if he sent someone els? As for all the other sports. every year the discussion is on about the teams that has nothing to play for. Ive seen so many games were teams more or less just go out on the field or ice, but nothing more. if they dont have anything to play for they wont perform at all. perhap like 20mins or so but when that first goal fals they stop trying. Its how it has always been, its part of sport and something people have to live with.
Yes the reserves play to win. I don't know what you are talking about Naniwa being one person. He threw that game and that is wrong.
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that was a piss move from naniwa
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On December 13 2011 21:45 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:43 thirnaz wrote:
SeltzerPlease Rachel Quirico
.@QuanticNani's choices are his own, and the show is still entertaining. <3 #GSL #DoYourThang #ProductionAintMad
So the production of GOM is fine with it, but nerds on forums are crying :< She knows if the GOM execs are fine with it?
I am sure she sat down with them and had a good pow wow and straightened things up.
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On December 13 2011 21:45 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:43 thirnaz wrote:
SeltzerPlease Rachel Quirico
.@QuanticNani's choices are his own, and the show is still entertaining. <3 #GSL #DoYourThang #ProductionAintMad
So the production of GOM is fine with it, but nerds on forums are crying :< Quote for people to see
This.
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On December 13 2011 21:40 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:35 LRObot wrote:
Polt's TvT strategy, while effective, is boring and cheap. How Polt approaches TvT: See tanks unsieged. Attack-move, stim. Repeat. From your point of view, the entire ZvT is cheap. Zergs: 1- See tanks unsieged 2- a-move banes, lings and mutas 3- Target tanks with mutas and then pick off leftover marines 4- Repeat from step 1 when terran macroes another army.
But the problem is, I see Polt's strategy predicated on that ONE tactic. It's very uninspiring. All he does is shadow a tank force just waiting for an unsiege.
And no, I find ZvT very entertaining.
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On December 13 2011 21:42 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:37 Hopelessnoob wrote:On December 13 2011 21:33 xrapture wrote:On December 13 2011 21:29 ondik wrote:On December 13 2011 21:26 Horseballs wrote:
I just sent an e-mail to gom expressing my dissapointment with Naniwa's unprofessional behavior, and encourage others who share my dissapointment to do the same. oh god, here come the reddit heroes.. Oh yea, aren't you special. Disrespecting people for expressing disappointment with Naniwa's unprofessionalism in an otherwise professional produciton. Is there any Korean in the GSL that would do what Naniwa did? no. Did people pay to watch Naniwa vs Nestea, the most hyped up match in the group stages? Yes. What Naniwa did suggests that he believes he's bigger than the GSL. If that's how he feels he doesn't belong there. I'll be emailing Gom too. Looks like I'm a reddit hero  ... go report the 6 pools too... especially those after they lost a game... In the future people will report every cheeser as they are disappointed and the player is unprofessional for not playing a "proper" game Ah, the logical fallacies. That's a false analogy and a slippery slope fallacy. When people 6 pool they have the intent of trying to win. They don't remove their hands from the keyboard and cross their arms (Khaldor said he did this!). 6 pooling has shown success, especially vs toss. There is literally no chance attacking with 7 probes can win. Literally none. Even if Nestea 7 pools he pulls his drones away, makes zerglings and wins. So what would happen if Naniwa had actually killed all of Nesteas drones? You think he'd send his probes back and try to win? No because he had no intention of winning. Did I say I was mad because he didn't play a "proper" game? No, your argument is horrible because it doesn't exist. You rely on lies and fallacies. Cheesing and throwing a game aren't even in the same hemisphere.
Yea all the people trying to compare what naniwa did to a 6 pool must be joking. Like you said its not even in the same hemisphere
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On December 13 2011 21:45 MBH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:44 Hopelessnoob wrote:On December 13 2011 21:43 MBH wrote:
So if nobody wins 2 games, we'll have IEM all over again? do you prefer dreamhack? What happened there? I only remember Socke,Ace and....Sjow?? battling it out for 2 hours or so.
Socke, Sjow and Squirtle afaik, that was hilarious
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On December 13 2011 21:40 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:32 thirnaz wrote:On December 13 2011 21:31 StatorFlux wrote:From GSL's rulebook9) There should be no communication between the players other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' and etc to surrender the game. Automatic Loss Rule
When the friend log-in notification pops up during the game play
When the player receives a whisper (message) during the game play from another user (failure to set the status to busy)
Sending chat messages other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' to declare the loss during the game. Should Stephano be punished for chatting yesterday? No. Should he be reprimanded? Yes. Should Naniwa be punished for doing a bad strategy? No. Should he be reprimanded?. Yes. So many have shifting standards based on their like or dislike of certain players. Dislike him all you want but be objective. What did Stephano write yesterday? Nothing I got no idea what this dude is talkign about onyl thing Stephano writes is WP or congratz after each lose He's correct, though. I was thinking about the same rule. Stephano did say something non-administrative in beginning of match, like "gl" (don't remember exactly what it was). Of course, the opponent didn't respond, because he knew that's not allowed in GSL and GOM tournaments. Now, it's a very minor thing, and no way Stephano should be punished, but someone could remind him of that rule, just in case (possible future GSL participation etc).
Again, it's a very very minor thing.
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Norway25712 Posts
Roach baneling pretty much destroys what MMA is going for.
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United States15275 Posts
Shut up about the Naniwa situation. This is a LR thread, not a bottomless pit of whine.
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GOM has no rights to punish NaNi IMO... It is a very bad strategy with a 1% chance of winning...
If Nani sat there and slept while nestea played i would say NaNi should be punished But this is just a very bad strategy... No rights to punish him.
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Most important thing here is that MMA gets 1st so that he and DRG are setup on opposite sides of the bracket in RO4.
Not much beats an MMA vs. DRG series.
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