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Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
November 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#4821
On November 25 2011 07:05 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 07:04 Theovide wrote:
On November 25 2011 06:54 below66 wrote:
I'm hoping one of these days someone says GG before Idra leaving.

I don't know about DH but I think a lot of tournies have a rule that you lose when you GG (so you can't fake gg meanwhile building yourself up).


yeah but that's irrelevant because Idra doesn't say GG at all

It's not irrelevant if you want to offensive gg idra (such as the one I qouted suggested).
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
November 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#4822
On November 25 2011 08:28 Ace.Xile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:25 Eppa! wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:14 Seronei wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:13 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:10 tnud wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 HappyChris wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:07 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:06 Agathon wrote:
Rage quit to Kas, the best terran in Europe, shame on you Greg.

Thorzain is the only EU terran who can actually win something


Nahh Kas allways been the best he just got a problem with nerves sometimes and it seems he has figured it out

Haha right, we've heard that story repeatedly and he still never wins anything.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Empire.Kas
He got 5 pages bro


Kas hasn't won anything of any significance with good players. Why do people bother saying well x is so good but he just has nerves. it doesn't matter how good you think someoen is when they can't win anything worthwhile.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Copenhagen_Games_Spring_2011
Second place there.


Second place at a tournament where the best people he had to play were grubby and cloud? Yeah he had to play MC but he lost 4-0

People need to win stuff to be considered good? Oz has won jack shit and is codes ro4. Sase has not won one lane tournament. Stephano just won his first big title. Gold medals in lan tournaments are a terrible measurement of skill. Idra has won 0 tournaments in EU. He won one MLG where everyone sucked, and an IEM in china that he barely made it to playoffs against barely any top players.


Yes? how can u be considered good if you don't win anything of significance, it's like saying someones good cause they can win a pick up soccer game but can't win a game in the pro leagues to save their life. Go look at Idras compared to Kas achievements and tell me who's more accomplished. Yes you can be good at this game and not win shit, but the point is how good can you really be if you can't stand the pressure of a Lan, and what's the real point of being "good" if you can't do anything with it but win ladder games. You can say all day about how Kas is better than Idra, and who knows maybe Kas can beat idra, but that doesn't mean he's better overall. Haypro beat Nestea, Idra has beaten Haypro tons of times, does that mean Idra is now God of zerg? No.


Accomplished != good.. Kas and Idra are both accomplished and good, Kas is a player with a nice attitude, awesome macro and is known for tearing through online tournaments like knife through butter. Idra has not really a nice attitude, good macro too -- but seriously, larva injects make it so easy for any zerg to be a macro player -- and more LAN accomplishments. Kas has beaten Idra in most of their head to head matches ,online and now on LAN. I don't understand how this became a my dad has a bigger d@#k than your dad argument. . .they both top players.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#4823
Some are questioning Kas, the mvp of the mighty Team Empire? Fools! Fools, I tell you! :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
November 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#4824
On November 25 2011 08:36 GettingIt wrote:
Any news on HuK vs Eeel?


HuK 1-0 Eeel atm
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:39:30
November 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#4825
On November 25 2011 08:36 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:24 bkrow wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:20 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 enemy2010 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:05 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Idra 2-0d by Kas, wow.

And again Idra doesn't even give a GG, IMO there should be a penalty for not GGing.

On November 25 2011 08:05 Poopi wrote:
Lol seriously IdrA?
Start GGing and maybe you'll have better results.
gg Kas, glad to see him playing good in lan


Do you guys actually read your stuff before you post it?

o.O


I dont understand what was wrong with their posts? They are both expressing their disdain with Idras lack of respect for other players. Additionally, they are implying that perhaps if Idra took more responsibility for his losses, his game would benefit.

You don't see a problem with "start GGing and you'll have better results"

Because that seems to be the most irrelevant factor in determining someones results.

Is that it for the day? On all streams? So depressing

Actually I would not be so sure as if Idra starts GGing that means he at least somewhat started to reign his emotions and that actually might help him win more games.

After seeing him not gg for the last few thousand ladder matches, you would think people had realized him not gging has little to do with emotions. That is not to say he isn't angry or "raging" when he loses to someone like kas, but he was never going to gg, no matter how the games went.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4826
On November 25 2011 08:31 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:29 gold_ wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:27 StarStruck wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:25 mrKamiya wrote:
Why is Grubby placed lower than the person he beat even though they have an equal series score, and he only lost one more map?


They are still working it out. Technically if you have the better record it would make sense for the person who has the fewest loses to move on because they have the better record. Technicalities.

I can't even comprehend how unfair that rule would be. Beat someone 2-0 and then because you lost one more map than said person, your out. Should be counted only by wins and if tied on wins then tiebreaker.

I don't think direct result should override map difference, especially if you've played all Bo3s. The rules are standard, they're good.


+ direct results don't count in this situation, that's the whole point of a tree way tie.

Gruppy won 2-0 vs DeathAngel -> He should advance!
Sen won 2-0 vs Grubby -> He should advance!
DeathAngel won 2-0 vs Sen -> He should advance!
-> Problem ^^

Yeah sure you can play tiebreakers between those players, but that can cost you a lot of time. At one IEM (think Kiew) they had a three way tie between 3 players (Socke and Sjow were 2 of them I believe) and player A kept beating player B, but kept losing to player C who kept losing to player B. Such things can really mess up the tournament schedule.
So the rule as it is, is a good thing. DeathAngel and Sen both were able to beat DeViL 2-0, whereas Grubby dropped a map and is out. Nothing unfair about this.
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4827
On November 25 2011 08:33 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:31 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:28 Daray wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:27 Asha` wrote:
lol @ people not even seeing Sen vs DeathAngel and suggesting Sen tanked the games.

There's a reason to play to win your group you know..?


No there's not. wtf man?

1st and 2nd is all the same this time.

Uhm nope... if you get second you get two of the numbers 1's in other groups and if you get the first place, you get only one other 1st place finisher. So it's not all the same. It could become that way, but this time no...


nowhere in the rules does it say that every group will have 2 #1 and 2 #2 in them.

I'm quite sure that will be the case though? Anything else would be stupid.
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4828
On November 25 2011 08:36 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:24 bkrow wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:20 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 enemy2010 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:05 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Idra 2-0d by Kas, wow.

And again Idra doesn't even give a GG, IMO there should be a penalty for not GGing.

On November 25 2011 08:05 Poopi wrote:
Lol seriously IdrA?
Start GGing and maybe you'll have better results.
gg Kas, glad to see him playing good in lan


Do you guys actually read your stuff before you post it?

o.O


I dont understand what was wrong with their posts? They are both expressing their disdain with Idras lack of respect for other players. Additionally, they are implying that perhaps if Idra took more responsibility for his losses, his game would benefit.

You don't see a problem with "start GGing and you'll have better results"

Because that seems to be the most irrelevant factor in determining someones results.

Is that it for the day? On all streams? So depressing

Actually I would not be so sure as if Idra starts GGing that means he at least somewhat started to reign his emotions and that actually might help him win more games.


while this may be true, alot of people grossly exaggerate idra "rage". the guy doesn't GG out of pure contempt for the game, if he could be making the money he does now and be playing BW he would. while i agree that not saying GG is disrespectful, the way people point it out every time it happens is silly and almost as old as idra not gg'ing. but just like real sports i guess we are starting to see the rise of forum warriors. but just like the people who play video games are different than 10 years ago, so is TL, i miss lurking around 4 years ago =/
BoomNasty
Profile Joined June 2011
United States265 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4829
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen


you are awesome, my friend
I like..
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:40:09
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4830
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen


wait, r u serious that dreamhack wont play the TWO final BO3 of the group stages tonight, just so they can leave it for tomorrow? so the group drawings are for sure tomorrow too? correct me if im assuming too much

nm seems like someone already said that huk v eeel was going on still
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4831
On November 25 2011 08:38 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 07:05 foxmeep wrote:
On November 25 2011 07:04 Theovide wrote:
On November 25 2011 06:54 below66 wrote:
I'm hoping one of these days someone says GG before Idra leaving.

I don't know about DH but I think a lot of tournies have a rule that you lose when you GG (so you can't fake gg meanwhile building yourself up).


yeah but that's irrelevant because Idra doesn't say GG at all

It's not irrelevant if you want to offensive gg idra (such as the one I qouted suggested).


you're right I didn't read the previous quote properly. I apologise!
hugge
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:40:33
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4832
Dreamhack sc2-admin here.

We are currently playing out all the groups but without streamers due to the time. Really tense. After this we will make the draws of tomorrows groups offline in the player-area as soon as huk vs eeel and seala vs titan is done. Stay tuned on our binarybeast to see the advancing players of today and tomorrows groups.

Cheers.

skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4833
On November 25 2011 08:27 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:15 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:11 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 SpiffD wrote:
Idra got 2-0'd by the guy he called terrible just a month ago.



Because a month ago the ONLY reason kas won was because idra didn't scout that he was going some weird ass wonky mass hellion no blue fame build, where he built like 12+ hellions and ran in.


which works perfectly fine against a zerg that is really stubborn, not creative at all and unable to adapt to anything beyond what he calls "common"


It wasn't a failure to adapt it was a failure to scout a completely random ass build that is 100% counterable if scouting. It's a bad build that idra didn't expect because as a zerg it's so incredibly easy to counter. It's "good" because it's bad.

It is not like Idra lost to Kas once, he lost to him on multiple occasions


Christ, another lowleague level player who think it's possible to scout zvt when terran has hellions out, IT JUST ISN*T.Yeah and on those multiple occasions kas has almost all of the times done really greedy/risky builds. not saying it's bad, kas clearly knows idra's play style very well and is capitalizing on it by blindly hard countering him.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4834
On November 25 2011 08:31 Neelia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:20 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:16 trucane wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 Fragile51 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:11 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 SpiffD wrote:
Idra got 2-0'd by the guy he called terrible just a month ago.



Because a month ago the ONLY reason kas won was because idra didn't scout that he was going some weird ass wonky mass hellion no blue fame build, where he built like 12+ hellions and ran in.


Idra didn't scout what was Kas was doing and that justifies him calling Kas terrible? Really?


Yep Idra fanboys at their finest.


I'm not an idra fanboy just smart enough to realize that the build kas was doing was horrible, and the only reason it worked was because he idra didn't think there was any way he would use some bad build. The build is one of the few builds thats so hard countered it's not even funny. Sweet he made 14 hellions, i'll make 7 roaches and win. It wasn't creative, it wasn't a good build, it was just straight up that idra didn't expect it because it's such a horrible build. If you want to call the fact that kas chose a build and essentially got lucky being good then sure go ahead, but come on really?


I don't know but this post reminds me of Foreigners still suck! : D

some parts could be copy-paste, just switch F91 with Kas, but im not doing it
Stork[gm]
kickazs
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway540 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4835
On November 25 2011 08:37 JohnMatrix wrote:
1-0 for huk vs eeel:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1962755/1/CNǃEeel/matches

1-0 huk so far then prbly
gold_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada312 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4836
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen

How is it a waste of oxygen if we aren't actually speaking?
I am from Canada, eh!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#4837
On November 25 2011 08:28 Ace.Xile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:25 Eppa! wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:14 Seronei wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:13 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:10 tnud wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 HappyChris wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:07 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:06 Agathon wrote:
Rage quit to Kas, the best terran in Europe, shame on you Greg.

Thorzain is the only EU terran who can actually win something


Nahh Kas allways been the best he just got a problem with nerves sometimes and it seems he has figured it out

Haha right, we've heard that story repeatedly and he still never wins anything.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Empire.Kas
He got 5 pages bro


Kas hasn't won anything of any significance with good players. Why do people bother saying well x is so good but he just has nerves. it doesn't matter how good you think someoen is when they can't win anything worthwhile.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Copenhagen_Games_Spring_2011
Second place there.


Second place at a tournament where the best people he had to play were grubby and cloud? Yeah he had to play MC but he lost 4-0

People need to win stuff to be considered good? Oz has won jack shit and is codes ro4. Sase has not won one lane tournament. Stephano just won his first big title. Gold medals in lan tournaments are a terrible measurement of skill. Idra has won 0 tournaments in EU. He won one MLG where everyone sucked, and an IEM in china that he barely made it to playoffs against barely any top players.


Yes? how can u be considered good if you don't win anything of significance, it's like saying someones good cause they can win a pick up soccer game but can't win a game in the pro leagues to save their life. Go look at Idras compared to Kas achievements and tell me who's more accomplished. Yes you can be good at this game and not win shit, but the point is how good can you really be if you can't stand the pressure of a Lan, and what's the real point of being "good" if you can't do anything with it but win ladder games. You can say all day about how Kas is better than Idra, and who knows maybe Kas can beat idra, but that doesn't mean he's better overall. Haypro beat Nestea, Idra has beaten Haypro tons of times, does that mean Idra is now God of zerg? No.

Do you get it that online tournaments are not ladder games, do you get that Kas won LAN with better participants that any pure NA tournament could ever have ?
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#4838
On November 25 2011 08:39 hugge wrote:
Dreamhack sc2-admin here.

We are currently playing out all the groups but without streamers due to the time. Really tense. After this we will make the draws of tomorrows groups offline in the player-area. Stay tuned on our binarybeast to see the advancing players of today and tomorrows groups.

Cheers.

Link for the lazy:

http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/xSC211111010
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#4839
On November 25 2011 08:39 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:33 zev318 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:31 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:28 Daray wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:27 Asha` wrote:
lol @ people not even seeing Sen vs DeathAngel and suggesting Sen tanked the games.

There's a reason to play to win your group you know..?


No there's not. wtf man?

1st and 2nd is all the same this time.

Uhm nope... if you get second you get two of the numbers 1's in other groups and if you get the first place, you get only one other 1st place finisher. So it's not all the same. It could become that way, but this time no...


nowhere in the rules does it say that every group will have 2 #1 and 2 #2 in them.

I'm quite sure that will be the case though? Anything else would be stupid.


it probably would, but i didnt see it on the rules page
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
November 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#4840
On November 25 2011 08:37 JohnMatrix wrote:
1-0 for huk vs eeel:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1962755/1/CNǃEeel/matches

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