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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:46:43
November 24 2011 23:45 GMT
#4861
HuK won over Eeel and will advance

edit: damn i'm too slow :p
F-Decoy
Profile Joined June 2011
France245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:47:44
November 24 2011 23:46 GMT
#4862
Huk won 2-0 ye. First match on Taldarim Eeel went for fast Nydus against FFE but it failed sadly for him. 2nd game on Shakuras it was a Nexus first against 3rd base fast but I heard a strong timing push for Huk knocking Eeel out.
Let's hope for good games tomorrow aswell.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:47:56
November 24 2011 23:46 GMT
#4863
On November 25 2011 08:44 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:38 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:36 mcc wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:24 bkrow wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:20 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 enemy2010 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:05 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Idra 2-0d by Kas, wow.

And again Idra doesn't even give a GG, IMO there should be a penalty for not GGing.

On November 25 2011 08:05 Poopi wrote:
Lol seriously IdrA?
Start GGing and maybe you'll have better results.
gg Kas, glad to see him playing good in lan


Do you guys actually read your stuff before you post it?

o.O


I dont understand what was wrong with their posts? They are both expressing their disdain with Idras lack of respect for other players. Additionally, they are implying that perhaps if Idra took more responsibility for his losses, his game would benefit.

You don't see a problem with "start GGing and you'll have better results"

Because that seems to be the most irrelevant factor in determining someones results.

Is that it for the day? On all streams? So depressing

Actually I would not be so sure as if Idra starts GGing that means he at least somewhat started to reign his emotions and that actually might help him win more games.

After seeing him not gg for the last few thousand ladder matches, you would think people had realized him not gging has little to do with emotions. That is not to say he isn't angry or "raging" when he loses to someone like kas, but he was never going to gg, no matter how the games went.

His selective gging and falling apart after losses in tournaments seems to disagree with you and ladder is irrelevant that I would agree with.

EDIT: but ladder might be a good training ground to work on his issues.

He has a history of not gging against Kas and not gging due to the game being terrible is not an indication of rage either, even if that's the case. It's a pointless gesture especially if you do it merely to satisfy some tradition or spectators.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 24 2011 23:46 GMT
#4864
One and a half year of Starcraft 2:

- Discussion about Idra not gg'ing.

This community is still going strong.
월요 날 재미있
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
November 24 2011 23:47 GMT
#4865
On November 25 2011 08:39 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:31 Neelia wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:20 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:16 trucane wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 Fragile51 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:11 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 SpiffD wrote:
Idra got 2-0'd by the guy he called terrible just a month ago.



Because a month ago the ONLY reason kas won was because idra didn't scout that he was going some weird ass wonky mass hellion no blue fame build, where he built like 12+ hellions and ran in.


Idra didn't scout what was Kas was doing and that justifies him calling Kas terrible? Really?


Yep Idra fanboys at their finest.


I'm not an idra fanboy just smart enough to realize that the build kas was doing was horrible, and the only reason it worked was because he idra didn't think there was any way he would use some bad build. The build is one of the few builds thats so hard countered it's not even funny. Sweet he made 14 hellions, i'll make 7 roaches and win. It wasn't creative, it wasn't a good build, it was just straight up that idra didn't expect it because it's such a horrible build. If you want to call the fact that kas chose a build and essentially got lucky being good then sure go ahead, but come on really?


I don't know but this post reminds me of Foreigners still suck! : D

some parts could be copy-paste, just switch F91 with Kas, but im not doing it

That blog should be mandatory reading for new members on TL.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:47:41
November 24 2011 23:47 GMT
#4866
I'm so looking forward to seeing how the groups for tomorrow will turn out, those are going to be some sick matches.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 24 2011 23:47 GMT
#4867
On November 25 2011 08:39 gold_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen

How is it a waste of oxygen if we aren't actually speaking?

Speaking doesn't require oxygen any more than typing.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
November 24 2011 23:47 GMT
#4868
HuK 2-0 Eeel
http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/tourney/load_match/119026

Titan 2-1 Seala
http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/tourney/load_match/119030
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
November 24 2011 23:47 GMT
#4869
Not airing the group drawing and getting air on the last games feels like just a waste of free drama content. A bit of dropping the ball to be honest.
I am not young enough to know everything.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
November 24 2011 23:48 GMT
#4870
Hopefully HuK can get some good rest and bring his A game for tomorrow because he was not convincing at all today. Glad he is advancing and keeping the possibility of another DreamHuK alive
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 24 2011 23:48 GMT
#4871
On November 25 2011 08:39 skrotcyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:27 mcc wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:15 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:11 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 SpiffD wrote:
Idra got 2-0'd by the guy he called terrible just a month ago.



Because a month ago the ONLY reason kas won was because idra didn't scout that he was going some weird ass wonky mass hellion no blue fame build, where he built like 12+ hellions and ran in.


which works perfectly fine against a zerg that is really stubborn, not creative at all and unable to adapt to anything beyond what he calls "common"


It wasn't a failure to adapt it was a failure to scout a completely random ass build that is 100% counterable if scouting. It's a bad build that idra didn't expect because as a zerg it's so incredibly easy to counter. It's "good" because it's bad.

It is not like Idra lost to Kas once, he lost to him on multiple occasions


Christ, another lowleague level player who think it's possible to scout zvt when terran has hellions out, IT JUST ISN*T.Yeah and on those multiple occasions kas has almost all of the times done really greedy/risky builds. not saying it's bad, kas clearly knows idra's play style very well and is capitalizing on it by blindly hard countering him.

Ok, I direct also you to the Foreigners still suck post that was posted here recently.
manloveman
Profile Joined April 2011
424 Posts
November 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#4872
On November 25 2011 08:46 Loxley wrote:
One and a half year of Starcraft 2:

- Discussion about Idra not gg'ing.

This community is still going strong.


Should have seen last weekend, when nani called nestea an idiot (or didnt). 500 pages of drama...
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#4873
So much for Idra's ZvT ^^
Terran & Potato Salad.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:50:33
November 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#4874
On November 25 2011 08:29 Bobster wrote:
I thought it was

1) w/l
2) game difference
3) direct result

Going by these rules, Grubby should be out.

edit: someone beat me to it. Yeah, standard procedure. Heartbreaking for Grubby, but he shouldn't have lost that one more map.


Is Group O still playing? I want to know if Huk choked.

It's not like he wanted to lose the game. In ZvZ it doesn't matter, players can choose the map if they want to go with a particular strat, but in PvZ maps are very important. It's either favored P or Z. If P wins one game, there's a great chance that he will lose the next game since Z will choose the map. I still don't know how he won that PvZ on metapolis, that was such a great play.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:51:01
November 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#4875
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen


Tbh, i dont realy care about idra's BMing Kas. The thing i can't deal with about this is : "it's not a big deal".But Millenium forfaiting a single game vs Salyers because of a lack of players and being insulted and judjed as disrespectful and non professionnal seems perfectly normal for some of you. It piss me off. Hardly.

I don't blame Idra, but his fan club and a part (a small i hope) of the TL community who blame inoccents blindly, and forgive everything to Idra.

Not objective, not clever, not fair.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
November 24 2011 23:51 GMT
#4876
On November 25 2011 08:47 Jiddra wrote:
Not airing the group drawing and getting air on the last games feels like just a waste of free drama content. A bit of dropping the ball to be honest.


Yeah they didn't even need the casters if they wanted to send them off. Just have some of the admins do it on stream. They still have to get it done, might as well just turn on the video camera.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 24 2011 23:52 GMT
#4877
On November 25 2011 08:44 Ace.Xile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:39 mcc wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:28 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:25 Eppa! wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:14 Seronei wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:13 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:10 tnud wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 HappyChris wrote:
[quote]

Nahh Kas allways been the best he just got a problem with nerves sometimes and it seems he has figured it out

Haha right, we've heard that story repeatedly and he still never wins anything.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Empire.Kas
He got 5 pages bro


Kas hasn't won anything of any significance with good players. Why do people bother saying well x is so good but he just has nerves. it doesn't matter how good you think someoen is when they can't win anything worthwhile.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Copenhagen_Games_Spring_2011
Second place there.


Second place at a tournament where the best people he had to play were grubby and cloud? Yeah he had to play MC but he lost 4-0

People need to win stuff to be considered good? Oz has won jack shit and is codes ro4. Sase has not won one lane tournament. Stephano just won his first big title. Gold medals in lan tournaments are a terrible measurement of skill. Idra has won 0 tournaments in EU. He won one MLG where everyone sucked, and an IEM in china that he barely made it to playoffs against barely any top players.


Yes? how can u be considered good if you don't win anything of significance, it's like saying someones good cause they can win a pick up soccer game but can't win a game in the pro leagues to save their life. Go look at Idras compared to Kas achievements and tell me who's more accomplished. Yes you can be good at this game and not win shit, but the point is how good can you really be if you can't stand the pressure of a Lan, and what's the real point of being "good" if you can't do anything with it but win ladder games. You can say all day about how Kas is better than Idra, and who knows maybe Kas can beat idra, but that doesn't mean he's better overall. Haypro beat Nestea, Idra has beaten Haypro tons of times, does that mean Idra is now God of zerg? No.

Do you get it that online tournaments are not ladder games, do you get that Kas won LAN with better participants that any pure NA tournament could ever have ?


Really? Which one, sure a Pure NA tournament, but i can't honestly think of a single pure NA tournament short of possibly mlg dc a year ago and even that had people who weren't from NA

The NA tournament was hypothetical, but whatever NA (i do not count Mexico ) players you put together would be topped by WCG Ukraine participants. Does it make Kas better than Idra, no. It (and ton of other results) makes him a good player that actually won hard tournaments.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 24 2011 23:52 GMT
#4878
On November 25 2011 08:51 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:47 Jiddra wrote:
Not airing the group drawing and getting air on the last games feels like just a waste of free drama content. A bit of dropping the ball to be honest.


Yeah they didn't even need the casters if they wanted to send them off. Just have some of the admins do it on stream. They still have to get it done, might as well just turn on the video camera.


gotta save the bandwidth for tomorrow...........
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:52:51
November 24 2011 23:52 GMT
#4879
On November 25 2011 08:49 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen


Tbh, i dont realy care about idra's BMing Kas. The thing i can't deal with about this is : "it's not a big deal".But Millenium forfaiting a single game vs Salyers because of a lack of players and being insulted and judjed as disrespectful and non professionnal seems perfectly normal for some of you. It piss me off. Hardly.

I don't blame Idra, but his fan club and a part (a small i hope) of the TL community who blame inoccents blindly, and forgive everything to Idra.

Not objective, not clever, not fair.


I agree with you. There is a double standard with idra because he's the golden boy and can do no wrong in some people's eyes. Not really sure how he attained that teflon coating, but it's there and is just an accepted part of the sc2 community now.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:53:21
November 24 2011 23:52 GMT
#4880
On November 25 2011 08:49 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:37 bkrow wrote:
A lot of fanboys, a lot of dumb posts and a lot of the same questions asked and answered over and over and over again
  • IdrA is BM, get over it
  • Grubby is out, it sucks but it doesn't make the rules unfair. The rules are pretty straight forward and losing more maps in group play doesn't result in any form of injustice.
  • The games will either be played off stream or streamed tomorrow morning (stream starts at 10am CET)
  • Conspiracy theories about Sen throwing games are a waste of oxygen


Tbh, i dont realy care about idra's BMing Kas. The thing i can't deal with about this is : "it's not a big deal".But Millenium forfaiting a single game vs Salyers because of a lack of players and being insulted and judjed as disrespectful and non professionnal seems perfectly normal for some of you. It piss me off. Hardly.

I don't blame Idra, but his fan club and a part (a small i hope) of the TL community who blame inoccents blindly, and forgive everything to Idra.

Not objective, not clever, not fair.

Not bothering to show up for a pre-arranged team battle is much more disrespectful. Not even a contest unless there was a good reason for it, which is doubtful
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