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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1881
As someone who defended using h2h as a tie breaker when it happened b/w select/drg at last mlg, it's ironic that my boy drg benefits from the reverse now. Also, not sure why people didn't know this because I remember when arguing why mlg using h2h was a better tiebreaker, people countered me saying mlg was one of the few tourneys that did this and places like IEM used map score as tie breaker.

To be clear, I still think h2h is the best tie breaker and gator should have been 1st in his group, but rules are rules!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1882
On October 15 2011 05:10 illsick wrote:
is that midway?


Yep
krews
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1308 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1883
On October 15 2011 05:10 illsick wrote:
is that midway?


yes
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1884
On October 15 2011 05:07 Diamond wrote:
With the laundry list of mistakes IEM admins have made in the past and now also I wonder how these guys are paid to do their job.

Going to email Carmac, this stuff is easy for a competent admin.

No kidding... tiebreaker rules are always listed in any set of tournament rules. It shouldn't take more than a minute to look up..
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1885
On October 15 2011 05:05 PantsB wrote:
TT1 should be compensated for this. He played for free essentially and if he gets bounced now its not really fair. Guaranteeing him semi-final money would be the most fair

It's just there is no extra money available for situations like this.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1886
rofl giving a CS GO beta key to a toddler. Totally the target audience right there.
DeaTH.1914
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada79 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1887
To be honest, since Gatored won in a Head to Head vs DRG...that should take precedence over your games won-lost record in the group (obviously if they have the same Match win-loss ratio). Making the brackets correct and TT1 the Victor. However if they have a rule stating that's not how it's decided then they're making the correct decision.

That rule is definitely something that should be looked at in the future though, because in any other sport with the same Match win-loss ratio the Head to Head victor always gets the higher seed.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1888
IEM really needs to host their events at venues exclusive to gaming. The crowds here compared to every other SC2 live event outside of Korea have just been embarrassing.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1889
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

Those games also take much longer and the matches are planned long beforehand.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1890
They just gave a Counter Strike beta key to a little girl...Classy
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
October 14 2011 20:11 GMT
#1891
On October 15 2011 04:38 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:38 -_- wrote:
What happened? I missed it! Could someone explain?!


Entire series doesn't count, since TT1 was supposed to play DRG.

LOOOOOOOL No way hahaha
Wishing you well.
homer001
Profile Joined October 2010
493 Posts
October 14 2011 20:12 GMT
#1892
On October 15 2011 05:10 Grettin wrote:
LOL Little girl getting a Counter Strike beta key. Way to go!


yeah i know
wat a joke at this prize giving crap
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 14 2011 20:12 GMT
#1893
On October 15 2011 05:11 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:10 illsick wrote:
is that midway?


Yep


wow old school, thx
you live and you learn
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 14 2011 20:12 GMT
#1894
On October 15 2011 05:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:03 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
All the guys bashing IEM for doing this after the match was played.
Ever considered they just found out after the games? And that they then had the choice of correcting the mistake and screw one guy over or let it stand and make the whole tournament a joke for not sticking with the rules?

We shouldn't bash IEM because they didn't know their own rules?

Sure IEM deserves criticsm for doing that stupid mistake in the first place, but that post was more directed to the people who cook up conspiracy theories of how IEM did that on purpose after the match just to wreck TT1.

Never said that IEM is without fault here. But I do believe they handled it in the only way possible without ridiculing the whole tournament. Imagine DRG going out against TOP and TT1 somehow winning the whole event. Then a community-member spots the error in the seeding, cue an explosion of outrage all over the place. As it stands I congratulate IEM for having the balls to admit to the mistake and trying to fix it instead of screwing the tournamentrules over.

Fair enough. I do agree that the conspiracy theorists are being stupid.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 14 2011 20:12 GMT
#1895
On October 15 2011 05:11 Leetley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:05 PantsB wrote:
TT1 should be compensated for this. He played for free essentially and if he gets bounced now its not really fair. Guaranteeing him semi-final money would be the most fair

It's just there is no extra money available for situations like this.

Just give him the "total nerdballer" price. The voting is screwed nontheless. In China it was Hasuobs, i believe.
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
October 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#1896
It was a pretty unforgivable mistake imo. Such a basic thing for an admin to check on in less then a minute. But as said what's done is done, apology issued they can't do much more.
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
October 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#1897
On October 15 2011 05:11 ssg wrote:
They just gave a Counter Strike beta key to a little girl...Classy


That girl is going to be sick good in like ten years, though.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
puzzl
Profile Joined October 2010
United States263 Posts
October 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#1898
On October 15 2011 04:53 fAnTaCy wrote:
Lol at all these kids bad mouthing xeris for NASL. Seriously kids, shut the hell up, Xeris has done a lot more in this community than 99% of you have and has run more tournaments than anyone here has, so before you critisize [sic] someone like Xeris about running a tourney, espcially [sic] like NASL where it was their first time doing it, and IEM has been doing this for however long know [sic], learn how to do shit first, and get the experience Xeris has and then talk shit, but untill [sic] you fucking know how to run tournaments and anything, shut the hell up, he's done a better job than any of you would have done

/rant


Duh, that's why he's allowed to steal people's seats.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
October 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#1899
On October 15 2011 05:08 Carmac wrote:
My statement for the situation with TT1 and DRG.

A referee has made a terrible mistake. We cannot undo that - an undeserving player is in a situation which should not have happened.

Gatored got wrongly seeded into the tournament bracket as the #1 seed instead of DRG who received the #2 player's seed in the bracket. As a result, the two players were placed in the wrong part of the bracket and TT1 played a player he was not supposed to. Unfortunately the error was discovered during the match and not before. The result cannot stand.

I deeply regret that such a mistake happened at such a time, but we cannot undo it. We canceled the match and fixed the bracket layout. Nothing else could be done.

All I can do right now on my behalf and on behalf of the referee is apologise to the players involved in the match, their teams and the fans that followed the match. This should not have happened and I will do everything for this to never happen again.

I regret this has happened and I apologise.

Michał "Carmac" Blicharz


It is indeed a very unfortunate misstake, and i feel very sorry for TT1. But i would also like to extend my respect for owning up to the misstake right away, and fixing it (in my opinion) the right way!

Also, please do more troll interviews! :D:D:D
God is dead.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
October 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#1900
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:


Thats because that would never happen in the NFL...a football or basketball team all knows who there going to play next week. In this case it was 2 people and a ref. And i'm assumeing since neither on them spoke up and said anything that the only person to know was the ref.
Snitches get stiches
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