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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On October 15 2011 05:03 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
All the guys bashing IEM for doing this after the match was played.
Ever considered they just found out after the games? And that they then had the choice of correcting the mistake and screw one guy over or let it stand and make the whole tournament a joke for not sticking with the rules? We shouldn't bash IEM because they didn't know their own rules?
Sure IEM deserves criticsm for doing that stupid mistake in the first place, but that post was more directed to the people who cook up conspiracy theories of how IEM did that on purpose after the match just to wreck TT1.
Never said that IEM is without fault here. But I do believe they handled it in the only way possible without ridiculing the whole tournament. Imagine DRG going out against TOP and TT1 somehow winning the whole event. Then a community-member spots the error in the seeding, cue an explosion of outrage all over the place. As it stands I congratulate IEM for having the balls to admit to the mistake and trying to fix it instead of screwing the tournamentrules over.
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On October 15 2011 05:07 luis_fps wrote:
ROFL hotshotgg (lol player) just won an intel processor
edit: apparently he wasn't there to get it
looool
wasn't it "only" a CS.GO betakey?
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oh come on give it to some random dude and move on..
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Any1 for sidebets on how many names they're gonna draw ?
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On October 15 2011 05:01 biamila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:53 Talin wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 biamila wrote:On October 15 2011 04:42 Talin wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 biamila wrote:
Man... I'm not a fan of TT1, but that's fucking rough.
Honestly, they played the game out already. Seeding error, sure, that sucks. But man up and accept YOUR error. Don't fuck the players over for it.
Yargh. Stupid IEM, now I HAVE to cheer for TT1, and I don't want to do that!!! They did accept their error though, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have to be fixed. It would've been rough on DRG that way. This way all players get the chance to play the right matchups. Yea, I understand that and I get their point of view. At the same time, TT1 is now at a disadvantage. He'll have had to win more games than anyone else to win the tournament. How? He's going to have to win the exact same number of games. If Gatored won this matchup, it would still not count, so he didn't have to win this. Yes, TT1 is obviously fucked by this decision, but it was the most fair resolution - no player is eliminated, everyone still gets to play the correct matchups. It's tough psychologically after you've just won a match, but the fact is that NO ONE is "punished" in terms of format and results. On the other hand, if they stuck to this, then players WOULD get directly punished by the tournament organization (DRG and TOP). There is only one fair way to resolve this, and they've had the guts to pick it. The easiest thing to do for IEM was to just go on with the tournament. Instead, they've picked the correct way to handle the situation even if it will get them a ton more hate. Mistakes suck, but we should respect IEM for making a tough but correct decision. I get your point, and I see it as well, but I just don't agree. I feel this is the type of mistake that the onus should fall on the tournament organizer for. THEY fucked up the seeding. TT1 accepted the hand dealt to him and won his series nicely. Is it an ideal situation? Of course not, but now TT1 is being forced to completely reset his psychological frame. I'd be ok with it if they'd noticed a game in, or when (hypothetically) it had ended up 1-1, or 2-1. But at a 3-0 sweep, it just seems like bullshit to me. And I understand that DRG and TOP are getting fucked by the brackets being dealt incorrectly as well. However, I feel TT1 is getting MORE screwed than them in this situation. Shitty place to be, so be it. <3 Go TT1? Feels weird typing that >.<
I don't want to push this discussion since we can clearly agree to disagree and I'm fine with that as you have a reasonable attitude but I have to say this once again:
The blame and consequences do fall on the tournament organizer. They still suffer all the consequences. They didn't "shift" any of the consequences on TT1. TT1 replaying the series won't make the organizers less responsible or make it hurt them less - in fact this decision hurts them more, as it's obviously very controversial. They accept the blame, consequences, and everything.
The only question that remains is:
1. Do you correct the mistake in the tournament format and revert to the brackets that are fair for everyone, including TT1 (as he'll be playing the opponent he earned via his group rank).
2. Do you continue the tournament instead and simply ignore the mistake, making players play the wrong matchups possibly until the finals itself.
In life, as in all things, when you see a mistake - you fix it. As painful as it sometimes is, it's the right thing to do IMO.
Besides, what would happen to TT1 if they went along with this? Everyone would talk about how he only had a good run because IEM fucked up for months.
Again, sorry for dragging this on, but I think I was a bit clearer this time. 
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On October 15 2011 05:08 thebike wrote:
Yeah, it's 4 PM here in NY. Didn't they just say it was supposed to be at 5 PM? ...
How does nobody in the audience realize this and tell him?
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This like a good comedy show.
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Give TT1 the CS:GO beta keys! Problem solved!
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On October 15 2011 05:08 Carmac wrote:
My statement for the situation with TT1 and DRG.
A referee has made a terrible mistake. We cannot undo that - an undeserving player is in a situation which should not have happened.
Gatored got wrongly seeded into the tournament bracket as the #1 seed instead of DRG who received the #2 player's seed in the bracket. As a result, the two players were placed in the wrong part of the bracket and TT1 played a player he was not supposed to. Unfortunately the error was discovered during the match and not before. The result cannot stand.
I deeply regret that such a mistake happened at such a time, but we cannot undo it. We canceled the match and fixed the bracket layout. Nothing else could be done.
All I can do right now on my behalf and on behalf of the referee is apologise to the players involved in the match, their teams and the fans that followed the match. This should not have happened and I will do everything for this to never happen again.
I regret this has happened and I apologise.
Michał "Carmac" Blicharz
Will TT1 receive any additional compensation?
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So are the actual rules that IEM is using and are deciding this from posted anywhere? How tie-breakers work in groups, how the brackets are constructed, etc.
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I think I see someone dressed as Ash...
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On October 15 2011 05:05 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:03 figq wrote:
So... (as I assumed) the commentators were wrong, when talking about randomly picked brackets from a bowl etc. Rather, the bracket is fixed: A1vD2, A2vD1, B1vC2, B2vC1; which again makes it unpredictable, because the results in a group determine who faces who. In that sense, of course, the commentators were correct that getting certain subgroup of players in the same final bracket is completely up to themselves. If Koreans had two 1st and two 2nd places in the right configuration, they had to face each other, but that's not something that can be predicted, obviously. i assume the brackets are picked randomly but from two pools. one with all 1st place players and one with all the 2nd place players. That's indeed possible too, but then if they have to be strict, now they need to repeat the picking ceremony =(
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ROFL I feel so sorry for anyone who goes to the raffle at 5.
They're giving the prizes away noooooooooooooooo
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Anon getting betakeys now?`
preposterous!
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On October 15 2011 05:07 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:57 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:57 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:56 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:53 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:52 ondik wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O THE GAME NEVER MATTERED. Is this really hard to understand? Then why did they play it? How about we ask TT1 and Gatored if the game mattered or not? ROFL. Did you listen to what carmac said? They weren't supposed to play eachother so that match doesn't count at all. It means nothing to the tourny. You didn't answer my question of why they played it. I know they weren't supposed to. But they did. Someone told them to play. Someone told them to play because whoever won will get to the semifinals. Did you even think that they didn't find out until the games were over? Thats my best guess. Then the tournament should live with the consequences of their mistake. Not the player. Yea, DRG, Top and all the other players should not live with the consequences of the mistake. As all people said sucks to be TT1, but why should all the other players suffer ?
I'm curious about how all the other players are suffering from this messed up bracket. At most it screws over DRG/TOP. I don't think it really matters for everyone else. If anything they're being screwed over now that the bracket is fixed.
Of course this doesn't account for the legitimacy of the result. I agree that fixing the bracket would make it more legitimate, but I don't agree that it would be better for the majority of the players.
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LOL Little girl getting a Counter Strike beta key. Way to go!
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rofl, sucks to be that guy
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On October 15 2011 05:06 TheBanana wrote:
I have a hypothetical question:
If TT1 meets Gatored in the finals or third place, will he start with 3-0?
No, this is not MLG.
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illsick
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On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.
Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:
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