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BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
October 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#1621
They should follow their own rules. Carmac made the right call, as messed up as it is.
kraut
Profile Joined April 2010
374 Posts
October 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#1622
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game




User was warned for this post
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
October 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#1623
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?

Says the guy who got paid for NASL season 1. That tournament was an even bigger joke.
SaSe fan club manager
unsaintly
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany687 Posts
October 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#1624
On October 15 2011 04:45 Brainiac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?


Is the NASL guy seriuosly criticizing such a well organized tournament as ESL? Mistakes happen, at least things like that happened to them only once. With NASL it was fail all the way.

He's the NASL guy and the fnatic guy, it's obvious that he'd be biased as sh*t.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1625
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?

Has happened all to many times before at big CS tournaments, as a fnatic manager I cant se why you're even suprised? shit happens, deal with it.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1626
On October 15 2011 04:45 ThyHate wrote:
The LoL thread on TL has more pages than the sc2 thread ...

add the pages of yesterday's thread. not that it matters.
Dezire
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands640 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1627
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?


hey calm down, its not like youve never made mistakes before, mister i take ppls seats..
BoxeR, HuK, IdrA, Minigun, MVP <3
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1628
For those of you not understanding, here's why:
IEM Season VI - Global Challenge New York
If you look at group B, DRG had an overall score of 5-3 in his group with 2-1 in BO3 stats. Gatored had an overall score of 4-4 in his group with 2-1 in BO3 stats. Yet Gatored beat DRG 2-1 in their BO3. This caused conflict on what would count highest: their individual head-to-head record or their overall group win/loss ratio. Thus, the IEM referee accidentally made the wrong call, and did not realize it until now: thus DRG and Gatored should switch places in their group and therefore also their matchups in the quarter finals.

I can understand why this happened... but really, it shouldn't have. It shouldn't have...
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1629
On October 15 2011 04:42 Talin wrote:
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On October 15 2011 04:41 biamila wrote:
Man... I'm not a fan of TT1, but that's fucking rough.

Honestly, they played the game out already. Seeding error, sure, that sucks. But man up and accept YOUR error. Don't fuck the players over for it.

Yargh. Stupid IEM, now I HAVE to cheer for TT1, and I don't want to do that!!!


They did accept their error though, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have to be fixed.

It would've been rough on DRG that way. This way all players get the chance to play the right matchups.


Yea, I understand that and I get their point of view. At the same time, TT1 is now at a disadvantage. He'll have had to win more games than anyone else to win the tournament.

I get that seeding is important, but it's not like TT1 was up 1-0 when they noticed. He won out the entire series, and had advanced.

I know that the Koreans are definite favourites to win, but at the same time, I just don't feel that changing the result is the right way to go.

In my view, it's IEM's fault for fucking up. Who gets punished for their fuck up? TT1. Not cool.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1630
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?

They didn't change any results. The games just didn't matter.

They follow the rules and it's the right thing to do after such a bad mistake.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3632 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1631
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?

Relax.
Even professionals make mistakes. Part of life.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1632
On October 15 2011 04:45 ondik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?


this is funny on so many levels


LOL yes it is...yes it is.
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bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1633
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game


How was the game legitimate again?
They did apologize. Apologizing doesn't fix the tournament match-ups and results though.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1634
Stop bashing IEM staff, I for one believe, that it takes a lot of balls to announce that mistake on the livestream and overturn the results in order to avoid even more mistakes and errors. Sure it is not very "fair" for TT1 but it is the same for DRG and TOP having to play each other instead of their actual opponent.

And just imagine for a second that TT1 would have went to finals or even won the event and someone then found out about the mistake. Could you handle the outrage that would break out for sure? IEM did a mistake and corrected it, so there is nothing wrong with it.

TL;DR
I congratulate the IEM staff for having to balls to publicly apologize and try to correct the error instead of just "playing along".
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1635
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played


On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?


Imo it would be more unfair to not change the results... I do not understand what you are talking about tbh.

Did NASL crew get "paid full time for that shit" during the first weeks of NASL season 1? Because that was way worse than this...
God is dead.
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1636
On October 15 2011 04:46 DoomsVille wrote:
Holy crap. I go to shave and take a dump and all hell breaks loose?

So apparently DRG was actually supposed to be #1 in his group and they had to switch him and gatored in the brackets?

And they decided to make this change after TT1 already beat Gatored?

Is that an accurate recap? If so, this has to be the worst decision in the history of tournament administration. As someone that has personally overseen over 100 tournaments, I can tell you this is exactly how you don't handle this sort of situation lol


Yeah, you got it. And now TT1 will play DRG.
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1637
On October 15 2011 04:42 krews wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played


yep, thats exactly what they should do.


It'd change out the prize distribution completely. With the old bracket a foreigner was going to at least take home 2nd place. Now a it can be Korean top 3. Obviously this unfavourable for TT1, but continuing with the old bracket gives a disadvantage to DRG who by the rules got 1st place in his pool.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
Caveman255
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel79 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1638
Conspiracy theory:

IEM sent TT1 on a "cab ride" just before his game with Gatored. The plan was that TT1 would never return from this "cab ride" but something went wrong. TT1 came back and 3-0'd Gatored which could mean only one thing - time for plan B.
Carmac has prepared a speech that he thought he had hoped he would never have to use. But when the time has come he was as ready as ever and told the world that it was their mistake - that the wrong game was played and that Gatored is still in the tournament.
Now Gatored will go on to play TOP, who knows he might even win, but if he doesn't TOP should watch his back, the ESL knows no limits.

My (safe) bet is that Gatored will win IEM New York, you heard it here first.
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1639
On October 15 2011 04:46 mitthrawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:43 garlicface wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:42 Tachion wrote:
Better to screw up 1 match and replay it than compromise the results of the entire tournament by fucking up all the brackets.
Well played carmac.

I agree. They're going back on their mistake rather than making more.

You guys can't be serious. The real mistake was to cancel the TT1 match.

So having the two best players in the tournament incorrectly play eachother in the RO8 is the right thing to do?
I have no quote!
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 14 2011 19:47 GMT
#1640
On October 15 2011 04:46 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit?


Yea because you've never made a mistake.

It's one thing to make a mistake. It's completely another thing to try to fix that mistake by 100% screwing over a player. It isn't his fault the mistake was made in the first place.
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