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I assume people are just going to rebroadcasting the live stream because of this. TL users do it all the time with BW programming which I'm sure would still be considered Internet TV piracy. Although it's easier to justify since it simply is not available to the foreign scene any other way and it's not like ogn and mbc have any incentive to try and shut it down, that doesn't change the fact that it's probably not legal (hey I could be wrong, i'm no internet lawyer).
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Overpriced. Nobody's going to pay such a high fee.
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On September 01 2010 22:56 JWD wrote:
Can anyone verify that there will be a free stream in Korean, provided in Korea?
I'd like to know this as well.
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On September 01 2010 23:01 beat wrote:
Guys, instead of crying on TL.net just register @ gomtv.net and post that into their forums.
League -> SC2 -> GSL... -> Forum
If you really want them to change anything try it this way.
GomTv is listening to this thread (TL), http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/2765 look at the end of this post, they know what we all think of this.
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BULLSHITTT...
I cant explain how pissed i am. Not because i wont watch, because i will and i will do it for free. OGN, Restreamers, Piracy, whatever; Internets wins.
Raising fees for the Streams/vods just shows, that you are an incompetent and greedy bunch of wash-outs. There is another Way of financing the coverage of this event. Sponsors, partners, Ads. The numbers already exist. Tournaments like HDH had topped 20k viewers live, and 300k+ vod views, DURING BETA. Thats alot of relevant attention for countless companies (entertainment hardware, software, media). The problem is(for u GOM GUICE), IT INVOVLES EFFORT. U need to CONTACT THOSE COMPANIES, PREPARE PRESANTIONS, develop business-/cooperation-modells, set up meetings etc etc. unfortunately, thats to much for you and raising fees for stream is sooo much easier and more comfortable! yeah, it is, we know.
Sadly it just hurts the grow of starcraft 2 and its popularity.
20 $ !? Thats as much, as I pay for my Internet! This is nuts!
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No thanks. There are plenty of foreigner tournaments I can watch for free. Why would I pay to watch a bunch of players I've never heard of? If you guys can't break even with ads, then I'm sorry for you.
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On September 01 2010 23:03 Tanatos wrote:
Just add commercials like in Korea
I think the paid stream may also have commercials 
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I'm impressed that a day after GOM TV made strides towards killing BW, they also shot themselves and Sc2 squarely in the foot as well.
With these kind of visionary business decisions, I wonder how their lawyers think? Maybe KeSPA would dominate in a court case. Also, OGN and MBC for Sc2 as well?
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On September 01 2010 22:56 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 22:51 Frankon wrote:From BW forum. Might shed some light on GOM decision. Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue)KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague. We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there. However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL. One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?" However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here" First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side. KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency." Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind". The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams. Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences" Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen. Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= Could someone explain where in the text it says that GSL is a flop?
It doesn't, he made that up.
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not going to watch this then.....yawn.
What a stupid decision, I could veen see if it was somethign like a £Fiver but that much!!!
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2010 23:06 JWD wrote:
I think the paid stream may also have commercials
If thats true this is even more absurd.
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Wait, so they expect me to pay 20 dollars to watch a stream when their website goes down with just us viewing it >.<
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On September 01 2010 23:07 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 22:56 Integra wrote:On September 01 2010 22:51 Frankon wrote:From BW forum. Might shed some light on GOM decision. Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue)KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague. We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there. However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL. One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?" However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here" First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side. KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency." Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind". The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams. Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences" Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen. Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= Could someone explain where in the text it says that GSL is a flop? It doesn't, he made that up.
Ya, that's what I thought. thnx for confirming.
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Why would I bother registering on their site to post feedback for them? Why would I bother to do them that favor? As far as I'm concerned, it's "hands off" for GOM and Gretech. The next newspost that I write for GR.org will explain how GOMTV misled and backstabbed their potential clients in one fell swoop.
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On September 01 2010 23:10 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:07 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 01 2010 22:56 Integra wrote:On September 01 2010 22:51 Frankon wrote:From BW forum. Might shed some light on GOM decision. Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue)KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague. We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there. However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL. One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?" However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here" First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side. KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency." Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind". The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams. Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences" Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen. Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= Could someone explain where in the text it says that GSL is a flop? It doesn't, he made that up. Ya, that's what I thought. thnx for confirming.
He made a prediction...
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On September 01 2010 23:10 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:07 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 01 2010 22:56 Integra wrote:On September 01 2010 22:51 Frankon wrote:From BW forum. Might shed some light on GOM decision. Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue)KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague. We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there. However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL. One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?" However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here" First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side. KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency." Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind". The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams. Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences" Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen. Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= Could someone explain where in the text it says that GSL is a flop? It doesn't, he made that up. Ya, that's what I thought. thnx for confirming.
Read it before and read it again just to make sure :o Didn't see anything in that nature either. Just to triple confirm
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They changed the banner, it now says "fly" instead of "fry" 
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On September 01 2010 23:10 Abbeb wrote:
Wait, so they expect me to pay 20 dollars to watch a stream when their website goes down with just us viewing it >.<
I was about to point that out as well...
They didn't even update there English site until 4 days before the tournament.
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Wow. This is just a disgrace. Now I actually WANT the GSL to totally bomb. Gg Gom, you guys just lost 95% of your audience. I just pray the OGN stream isn't paid.
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On September 01 2010 23:13 Navitron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:10 Abbeb wrote:
Wait, so they expect me to pay 20 dollars to watch a stream when their website goes down with just us viewing it >.< I was about to point that out as well... They didn't even update there English site until 4 days before the tournament.
Was this information on the Korean site before?
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