EPTwe had to deal with this shit last time Gom ran a tourney and now they're moving in the opposite direction WTF
[GSL] About GSL Streams and VODs - Page 19
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mOnion
United States5651 Posts
we had to deal with this shit last time Gom ran a tourney and now they're moving in the opposite direction WTF | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:47 aike wrote: They had a few crappy Ads that they played over and over between games... What? You say "crappy Ads" to such brillant vids like "Titty Sambo" ?? Shame on you!  On topic: This really sucks! I hope the got afraid of all the negativ responses they will get and make a low quality stream available for free. They will loose a _lot_ of viewers and fans because of that, if they don't react! On a sidenote: I'm in with 1$ for Mystlord, konodora, ... if they buy the stream and restream it! Who is in it? | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:42 hihu wrote: I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to comment on this. Are they being paid for that? Because the price seems very high just for 2 english caster and a stream. Eitherway, this move isnt promoting sc2 as an Esport at all. | ||
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Jocoma
Denmark100 Posts
Your current PC Internet Speed : 122Kbps It will be difficult for you to watch LIVE at this speed. Great! That pretty much settles it...  Btw. I'm on a 10/1 mbit in Denmark | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
But I guess the advantage is that the stream will be guaranteed to be stable since a microscopic fraction of potential people will be prepared to pay that amount each season. | ||
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Navitron
United States25 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:43 motbob wrote: This has been said already, but why are you guys complaining here? Go to gomtv.net and post on the forums if you want to have your complaints be heard. I cant I made an account but cant sign in keeps saying my username/email isn't found. | ||
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KissKiss
United Kingdom136 Posts
I first got interested in SC:BW after watching the GomTV classic a couple of years back. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have if they had charged for the stream. Understand they got costs, but really, at those kinda prices I don't think they'll get many buyers. | ||
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pSeUd0
14 Posts
as an economist i can easily understand the motivation to charge for a stream. basically it is logical unless the stream is set up to be a promotion of future content(self advertisement / teaser). i think everyone is aware that free, low quality streams (allthough seemingly standard) are a sort of "give-away" offered by the entity providing the stream. and its much appreciated therefore! however i can understand that providing a solid stream to europe/usa alongside with english coverage is costly and therefor its valid to apply a reasonable charge. key point here is reasonable. (imho price suggestions are way over the top) lets look at the demand side: we have tons of viewers spread over many different geographical locations. given the local time the stream might be around 2am. depending on this the stream has different values to the people. similar there are different preferences regarding stream quality and necessety of vods beeing available. the demand side is therefore made up out of a set of viewers with different valuations each based on their respective value they obtain from the characteristica of the product (stream, vods, quality). given this diverse demand, an appropriate supply offer should make it possible to adjust the amount of money you pay. the 20$ + 30$ offer seems very rigid and will fail to meet demand in many cases. It is necessary to make the offer more diverse like it has been done by seperating vod- and streamcontent. the same approach could be applied to the stream itself. break it up into two parts. make a low(around the quality provided by the free streaming pages) and a HD quality stream. same for the vods: provide HD vods and standard quality vods. each of these 4 options has a price to it. for example, set the price to standard quality vods and stream to 5$/month each. load them with advertisement. provide the HD vods and stream for 10$ each, free of advertisement. Now, the avarage sc2 fan will buy the lq stream for 5$/month - a totally reasonable price - and will have his way. maybe he cannot wach the stream and chooses to buy the vods only for the same price. a customer with high preferences regarding quality and availability might be willing to pay the full 20$. note this example uses arbitrarly set prices - however as already stated i do believe that many viewers would be willing to pay (even for standard quality and advertisement) if the price is fairly low. | ||
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sinjitsu_
Australia196 Posts
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue) KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague. We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there. However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL. One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?" However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here" First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side. KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency." Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind". The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams. Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences" Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen. Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd= | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
I think that this may split the scene like BW was split, between Koreans and everyone else who will just be following MLG and ESL tournaments. Gretech's stance about about proleague and this shit is like a killing blow to esports. Basically everything good about the Korean scene seems like it's in its final hours. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Rabbitmaster
1357 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:52 theqat wrote: I wrote up a polite post on their forums asking them to reconsider and offer the 300K stream for free. Please bump it or create your own post. We need to generate a lot of noise on GOM's turf. http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/2785 I completely agree. I saw your post there and it was nice. Guys, if we want to make GOM reconsider their pricing scheme the best thing to do is make known our thoughts about it on their forums. http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/ (I posted my thoughts here http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/2786 ) | ||
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DarkspearTribe
568 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:26 Navitron wrote: Last time I ordered a UFC fight it was in 1080i I also payed for the MLG stream, but Gom is asking for $50 for both live and vods and its gonna be in 500k HAHAHA are you kidding me? the MLG free stream was 600k. LMAO that makes it even more retarded | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
- Why does the VOD service cost more than the live stream? Being able to follow the live stream is usually considered to be more valuable. - Very hard to find information about the format. For example, few people know how long a season is. GOM TV Website was not updated for a year before GSL. - I have the impression they don't have a broad knowledge of the international TV/eSports market. I can speak for the situation Germany: All Pay TV offers fail miserably in Germany. Even the TV station for live football (soccer), by far the most loved sports in Germany, does not make profits. Considering the almost equal pricing, these two products (SC2 and football) compete with each other with no chance for SC2. GIGA2 was the first attempt to establish eSports Pay TV (with a fraction of GSL's cost) and now GIGA does not exist anymore... ESL tried to push ESL TV by banning all other streams (HLTV and WaaaghTV which allow to follow matches ingame as an observer) from their leagues without offering a freestream. Now they have at least a freestream. I don't exactly know the reason behind this, but I suspect that interest in their leagues plummeted which scared away their sponsors. What happens with a league you can not follow? Right, you stop talking and hearing about it. Yes, it's only about Germany here, but it is one of the biggest market for eSports (especially RTS) in Europe. And I don't think there is a great difference in other European countries. And for people in countries with lower loans and lower daily life costs the prices are even higher. - Unknown quality of service: Nobody knows about the quality of production, the quality of streaming etc. Additionally, people do not put ultimate trust on a company on the other side of the world (things like getting refunds if service quality is not met etc.). - Frankly, I don't think SC2 is yet in a level in which it is worth 20$ to watch. There are matches that are worth the money, but there are also very many boring ones. I think SC2 playstyle will develop a lot in the next months that make it more enjoyable to watch, but right now, it's not at that level. Maybe the GSL prize pool will provide a jump of player level, but we don't know yet. - I notice that many people are willing to pay "for eSports" (unlike the common German mentality). That is a good thing, but I think restricting viewers will be far, far more damaging to a developing scene. Plus, when you choose premium in a free+premium model, you get the feeling that you actually pay for eSports and get extra value instead of getting access to some restricted private event with a failing business model while others watch free restreams with the same or better quality (Better quality = I don't require strange plug-ins or players that work only on Internet Explorer or the like). I seriously considered purchasing premium, but GOM TV prices can not compete when you compare it with other things you can get the money. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:51 Frankon wrote: From BW forum. Might shed some light on GOM decision. Aparently they dont care about future tournament and want to cash in fast cause they sense a incoming flop of GSL. Could someone explain where in the text it says that GSL is a flop? | ||
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