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On March 14 2013 04:15 priestnoob wrote:
1gate FE PvT build I copied from some GM:
9 pylon
12 gate
14 gas
16 pylon
18 core
19 zealot
22 pylon
24 Sentry (CB)
26 Nex
27 Stalker (CB)
31 Gate x2
31 Gas
31 MSC (CB)
33 Pylon
34 Robo
You basically don't probe scout the Terran unless it's a 4 player map and use your first 100 energy (~5:50, shortly before the robo) for a hallucinated scout.
This is very effective, however, if you don't scout the terran, how can you defend against possible early drops/ widow mines/ reapers etc. ? I feel like if the Terran is taking a fast CC, then this is a super reliable build as it builds up such a bank so early, but whats the point if you're getting cheesed and you don't know it?
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On March 19 2013 03:20 LJC.Karisu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 04:15 priestnoob wrote:
1gate FE PvT build I copied from some GM:
9 pylon
12 gate
14 gas
16 pylon
18 core
19 zealot
22 pylon
24 Sentry (CB)
26 Nex
27 Stalker (CB)
31 Gate x2
31 Gas
31 MSC (CB)
33 Pylon
34 Robo
You basically don't probe scout the Terran unless it's a 4 player map and use your first 100 energy (~5:50, shortly before the robo) for a hallucinated scout. This is very effective, however, if you don't scout the terran, how can you defend against possible early drops/ widow mines/ reapers etc. ? I feel like if the Terran is taking a fast CC, then this is a super reliable build as it builds up such a bank so early, but whats the point if you're getting cheesed and you don't know it?
The hallucination will get to your opponent's base in time for you to know if widow mine drops are coming or not. If he goes super early reapers he can have 3 in your base 5-10 seconds before the Stalker is done but with micro (rally the zlot/sentry to your mineral line) you shouldn't lose too many workers and should be even at worst economically.
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Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays.
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On March 19 2013 03:32 Crownlol wrote:
Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays.
MLG hasn't released replays for quite a while so I wouldn't hold out hope for those coming out 
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On March 19 2013 04:00 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:32 Crownlol wrote:
Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays. MLG hasn't released replays for quite a while so I wouldn't hold out hope for those coming out
Ugh.
Also, every time you post I can't get the final boss music from FFIV (II USA) out of my head. Thanks. Edge uses Dart - Frying Pan.
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On March 19 2013 03:32 Crownlol wrote:
Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays.
Isn't it basically MC's 1gate Stargate opening which was posted like 3 times itt followed by 4-5 more gates while going up to 5 Oracles?
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Canada13406 Posts
On March 19 2013 04:09 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 04:00 ZeromuS wrote:On March 19 2013 03:32 Crownlol wrote:
Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays. MLG hasn't released replays for quite a while so I wouldn't hold out hope for those coming out Ugh. Also, every time you post I can't get the final boss music from FFIV (II USA) out of my head. Thanks. Edge uses Dart - Frying Pan.
This is why I chose the name, love that boss, hardest final boss fight of my life haha.
Back on topic,
I might look at the vods and work out a skeleton build then open a [D] thread about star openings later tonight.
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Could anyone recommend any build for fast DTs? I used the Byaka build in WoL (2 zealots+stalker pressure into dts), but even with the cheaper Dark Shrine I can't get the templars faster.
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On March 19 2013 04:09 priestnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:32 Crownlol wrote:
Does anyone have MC's Oracle bust from MLG charted yet? I might go do it once I get a chance to watch the VODs, or if they post replays. Isn't it basically MC's 1gate Stargate opening which was posted like 3 times itt followed by 4-5 more gates while going up to 5 Oracles?
Pretty much yeah.
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What's the best way to avoid the phoenix wars in pvp? It feels like stargate just crushes all other openers right now. I've been trying out archon+chargelot+stalker but I feel like if I attack too soon I'm vulnerable to my mineral line being annihilated by oracle and if I attack too late they'll have built up enough voids to repel me easily. How do these pure WG expand builds fare against stargate openers?
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I got really frustrated by this loss, so I'd like a little bit of input.
I'm not sure if it was because of the Widow Mine drop, or my mistakes with the forcefields that caused me to lose the game. (Also, I forgot thermal lance. :'( )
http://drop.sc/311191
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Hi guys.
Since Hots release I've been playing random but I feel quite lost whenever I roll Protoss because I have very little experience with it. If possible, would somebody mind giving/linking me to openings of the following kind:
PvT:
1. A macro robo opening
2. A macro chargelot/templar tech opening
PvZ:
1. An macro opening that involves warp prism harass early on
2. A macro opening that involves a stargate early on
PvP:
1. Any (relatively) safe expand build (I'm currently going 2 gate robo)
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Help with PvZ... EVERY time I go FFE, the zerg player always just mass ling/roach/hydras me before I can even get a decent army.. am I supposed to stay on 2 bases and just build up an army? I can't win PvZ at all... 
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When people say get like 4 or 5 oracles... Is this just for harassing everywhere and having 1 for detection, or do they complement the army well?
I have one with my army for detection and I like bringing it in the side to snipe marines or something, but I dunno if this is cost efficient.
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Hey guys I haven't played SC2 in a very long time and I want to come back as Protoss. I'm having trouble though because I basically have no builds. I really like to learn from replays rather than VODs or just lists of buildings and supply counts, I feel that it's much more informative, but I'm not sure where to find replays from release HotS. Are there any good ones out there yet?
I'll dig through this thread for the old fashioned "9 pylon..." etc type of lists if necessary, but I feel it's worth checking for replays before I do.
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On March 18 2013 04:22 vBr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:15 Ldawg wrote:On March 17 2013 12:27 Ben... wrote:On March 17 2013 07:45 Ldawg wrote:On March 16 2013 19:37 recklessfire wrote:On March 16 2013 16:34 Ldawg wrote:So I ran into a build in PvT on ladder quite often that has me very frustrated. They proxy a factory then land in a corner of my base. Basically if I can't get in his base with a probe scout I have no idea this is coming and it seems ridiculous to stop. Here is an excellent TL post by Bronzeknee (GM with Protoss) that describes the build: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384139¤tpage=2#29This build seems even worse now that the MSC doesn't have any detection abilities. Has anyone ran into this build and have any suggestions? i dont think there's an answer until blizzard changes something. I ran into a proxy widow mine build but he was rallying marauders from a 2nd rax that i couldnt scout because of the full wall. He just walks into my natural and places mines while pressuring my ramp. Even after getting the robo out, it took a while to fend off his marauders and the three mines he had placed in my natural. By the time i placed my nexus down, he already expanded so I was pretty behind in economy and since robo/colossus tech is so gas dependent i was pretty much screwed from that point. I dont have issues with aggressive options this early in the game. I dont have an issue with the mines themselves but I think they come out way too fast, and it takes so much gas to get out the necessary detection to deal with this. They are more threatening than cloak banshees imo. You hit the nail on the head. For a brief moment of time, I LOVED PvT when the MSC had detection because that at least partially discouraged this play and for once Protoss could confidently go straight into twilight tech without an auto-loss to banshees or mines. I find twilight tech much more enjoyable to play against Terran and was disappointed when they moved detection to MSC because I felt Protoss were essentially confined to build orders except instead of only Robo we have Robo/Stargate. I just want viable twilight tech! Yes, I find this proxy widow mine build super-frustrating and nigh unstoppable. Throw in the fact that a high percentage of Terran players use this against me on ladder and I am at the point where I just sit out until something is changed. Even when I see the proxy factory and deny it in my base they just have a widow mine bury at my natural and expand since the mine will deny my expo for several minutes until I get detection. Stuff like this is why I still wish they left that detection spell on the mothership core. You didn't have to commit so much gas to a tech path to get portable detection. I liked the option of opening fast twilight council too. Plus yeah, with the necessity of mobile detection to deal with mine rushes it makes way more sense to have an easier access detection. I agree, I feel like in PvT Protoss is now confined to BOs again, except rather than just Robo we have Robo/Stargate, which is better. However, I want viable twilight tech and MSC with detection would help! there is no way they will add detection to MSC
Thanks for the valuable input.
Something needs to change, because there all so many variants of the proxy factory into widow mines and they all hit before detection. See Rain vs Jjaki in the Winter Championship for a different build. Even with an early robo Rain had to micro unbelievable to avoid the first wave, lost ~8 probes in his main to the second wave and had his natural expo mining delayed and then saw more probes killed due to another mine which led to his GG.
If Blizzard doesn't want to add early detection for Protoss (which doesn't make much sense now that Zerg have spores without Evolution Chamber and Terran have Scans) then I would have to believe widow mines would either have to be delayed (factory add-on required?) or AOE damage nerfed ( < 40 so they do not one-shot workers).
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MC's 4Gate Oracle build in PvT
9 Pylon
13 Gateway
2x Gas on ~15
16 Pylon
18 Cybernetics Core
Hide the next pylon in a corner of your base
Warpgate/Stalker (chronoboosted)
Mothership Core
Stalker
Stargate at hidden pylon >:D
Sentry
Start chronoboosting oracles out of the stargate. After the starting the first one build a Nexus at your natural
Keep building oracles and throw down 3 more gateways as you can afford them. MC has been going up to 4 Oracles.
Now from here the idea is to have 4 Oracles and a Mothership Core harassing the main while having gateway units consisting of mostly Stalkers hit the front. Split up Terrans units. If this build is unscouted or they don't have enough turrets and Vikings you will just shit on him. If you want you can also have the gateway and stargate units together and just attack the front using Timewarp to slow the units and let the Oracles melt everything. A lot of Terrans have been opening with widow mines, so be careful of those as they will 1 shot an oracle! Just remember to use the Oracles Detection ability to kill of any widow mines at ramps or in mineral lines so your attack goes smoothly. Also pretty much the whole time you want to be spending your chrono on probes!
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Does anyone remember a somewhat old PvZ build on TL that consisted of FFE'ing into abusing early stalker gateway pressure to potentially deny a fast third? It was based off a build used by a KESPA protoss (i think Rain). Thanks.
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I'm sick of widow mines. One T even placed 2 each at both of my ramps leading out from my base. : o
Won with 1 base immortal all in. Anyone tried dt+wp all in? I think going stargate while facing T with fast widow mines is risky.
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On March 19 2013 09:41 n0ah wrote:Help with PvZ... EVERY time I go FFE, the zerg player always just mass ling/roach/hydras me before I can even get a decent army.. am I supposed to stay on 2 bases and just build up an army? I can't win PvZ at all...
can you give us a replay?
pretty much all my pvz's the zerg is being really aggressive and i don't blame them. They shouldn't be sitting around waiting for us to get the skytoss out and murder anything they throw at us.
You should note your tech choice after FFE and your gameplan and ofc your replay so we can help you out.
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