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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:22 Insoleet wrote: Small question How to deal with lings hellbat medivac ? This pure mineralz compositions looks soo imba... Cant find any way to deal with it. Static defenses and queens should be enough to fend off the Hellbat Drops, and also only cost minerals. If the harass and build continues later on, Mutas are the direct counter. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:24 Requizen wrote: Static defenses and queens should be enough to fend off the Hellbat Drops, and also only cost minerals. If the harass and build continues later on, Mutas are the direct counter. Sorry, didnt mean lings hellbat medivacs, i meant marines hellbat medivacs... So probably muta are not the answer :| | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:41 Insoleet wrote: Sorry, didnt mean lings hellbat medivacs, i meant marines hellbat medivacs... So probably muta are not the answer :| Mutas are still good in this situation. The mutalisks kill off any drop attempt, Muta ling bane crushes this comp in big engagements. Before you know it, ultralisks are out and you are ready to go for the kill. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:52 MstrJinbo wrote: Mutas are still good in this situation. The mutalisks kill off any drop attempt, Muta ling bane crushes this comp in big engagements. Before you know it, ultralisks are out and you are ready to go for the kill. So far, from my experiences, hellbats are able to tank pretty well the banelings, (one hellbat can take 3 banes hits ?) and lings just got crushed... as do mutalisks | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 29 2013 01:10 Insoleet wrote: So far, from my experiences, hellbats are able to tank pretty well the banelings, (one hellbat can take 3 banes hits ?) and lings just got crushed... as do mutalisks You have to micro it a bit, getting the Banes to hit the Marines and the Mutas to focus on the Hellbats/Medivacs. Alternatively, a Roach heavy style with Armor upgrades should be fine against that type of comp, with some Ling and/or Hydra support moving into the midgame. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:22 Insoleet wrote: Small question How to deal with lings marines hellbat medivac ? This pure mineralz compositions looks soo imba... Cant find any way to deal with it. I'm master on eu server . If you're asking whether you can deal with a hellbat composition with just pure zerglings, you can't. If you scout hellbats you should try to mix roaches and perhaps banelings into your composition. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 28 2013 18:12 tzim wrote: Hi guys, I want to change something in my gameplay - I figure out that playing very aggressive might be it. Can you suggest me some good BO for that ? For now I am trying 10 pool, 12 overlord, (1x extractor trick) 14 - 3xlings, 17 - queen (1x extractor trick) and later on 2 base - muta/swarm hosts... Any suggestions, comments, better BO's ? It depends what matchup you are doing this build on. 10pools against terran and protoss are generally shit as there is a high potential that they will scout you before lings can come out and will be able to wall off. 10pools are really only good in zvz when the zerg goes hatch first and you're able to force a cancel on the hatchery. 10pools are pretty gimmicky, it is better to play more macro oriented and mix in a 10 pool now and again but 10 pooling should not be your standard opener. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:31 luck_star21 wrote: I'm also having issues versus 10pools that target my natural, wondering what the proper response is. If you go hatch first against a 10 pool, you want to pull around 8-10 drones and kite the zerglings until you're able to get your own lings out. It is VERY important that you minimize drone losses so you must concentrate on microing. Even if you're able to save the hatchery, if you lose more than 4-5 drones you will probably be behind as most zergs that 10 pool follow up with speed ling bane all ins and you won't have enough eco to defend. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 29 2013 01:47 Psychonian wrote: Hey guys I need a simple build to kill shit in silver league XD people in silver league usually don't know how to defend cheese so if you're just trying to win games without actually developing any skill, I would recommend cannon rushing if your protoss, double proxy raxing if you're terran and 6 pooling if your zerg. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:15 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: people in silver league usually don't know how to defend cheese so if you're just trying to win games without actually developing any skill, I would recommend cannon rushing if your protoss, double proxy raxing if you're terran and 6 pooling if your zerg. Alternatively, learn to macro and defend early game, as most low league players can't late game worth shit. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 28 2013 15:11 RoMeRuffles wrote: How can I win vs a Terran Proxy Reaper build? Tried it all so far, I just dont see a chance. I tend to just 9 scout all proxy locations. This helps to give you the edge in defense. if you scout the proxy rax, you should try to put down your pool as soon as possible and get your gas at 17 supply and get zergling speed. The reaper will get to your base before your lings and queens are out so you need to micro your drones as best as possible which means you want to get around 4-5 drones and attack the reaper once it arrives to your main. Micro back the wounded drones by using the mineral walk trick. If one of your drones is about to die and you feel like you don't have the time to mirco it away, you can just make a spine or another extractor then cancel these once the reaper target fires another drone. Make around 8-10 lings and two queens to defend. Don't be worried if the terran is able to get a bunker up. Reapers cant kill buildings so it is not a problem. Just use all your lings and both queens to kill the bunker. Once the bunker is killed, you are free to drone and play a normal game. | ||
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Eiskaffee
Germany31 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:34 Eiskaffee wrote: How can i win against hardcore turtle skytoss? It depends what race you are. If you're zerg, it is impossible to beat skytoss with templar support. You just have to do significant damage in the mid game so the protoss cannot generate a four base economy to get that army. If you're terran, just do what you would do against any protoss composition, mass drop play as skytoss is pretty immobile. If drop play doesn't work, you want to get a mass viking ghost medivac composition. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:34 Eiskaffee wrote: How can i win against hardcore turtle skytoss? A Corruptor/Muta ball can generally outtrade anything that Skytoss can throw at you, Muta heavy if they're focusing on Voids, Corruptor heavy if else. With that, Roach/Ling can clean up any ground force since they'll be skimping on Immortals or Collosi. Alternatively, a standard Roach/Hydra/Corruptor army should make short work of it. Either way, if they're turtling hard and rushing towards air units, mass expanding with Queens and Spores should leave you in a better position late game. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On March 29 2013 01:10 Insoleet wrote: So far, from my experiences, hellbats are able to tank pretty well the banelings, (one hellbat can take 3 banes hits ?) and lings just got crushed... as do mutalisks If you setup a flank and have a sufficiently large army, marine, hellbats, medivac can be beaten with muta/ling/bane. Its not particularly Cost efficient but Ultralisks come really shortly afterwards. So the Terran has the same army that just died the second time around and you have one a lot stronger. Regardless of your thoughts about marines vs muta and zergling vs hellbats, ultralisks will shred them. | ||
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AceStar
Denmark16 Posts
Recently on my ladder I seem to only be matched up against other Zerg players. In pro games, most Zergs seem to be able to get away with a 15 hatch. Whenever I try to 15 hatch in ZvZ it seems that my fellow Zerg opponent will always be doing an 8/10/11 Pool, and I find it near impossible to defend. The same goes vice versa, when I 14/14 vs a 15 hatch he seems to be able to defend with relative ease. I feel that part of the problem is the fact that I can never scout early enough with my overlords (drone scouting is out of the question, I would lose too much income). I can therefore never see such rush coming, or such greedy play being done. I am looking for a build order that could help me deal with this. My 14/14 had never failed me at punishing fellow Zergs for their greedy builds in lower leagues, but it seems to fall way short in Plat/Dia. Thanks in advance. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:39 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: It depends what race you are. If you're zerg, it is impossible to beat skytoss with templar support. You just have to do significant damage in the mid game so the protoss cannot generate a four base economy to get that army. If you're terran, just do what you would do against any protoss composition, mass drop play as skytoss is pretty immobile. If drop play doesn't work, you want to get a mass viking ghost medivac composition. No it's not. You can beat skytoss + templar support. You need swarmhost/hydra/ultra/viper or you will never have a chance. The swarmhost/ultra tank the damage from splash and will kill colo/templar where the hydra/viper can abduct and kill the sky units or the colo then sky units. I have only lost to mass air + templar once, and I played like an idiot to lose it to. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:19 Requizen wrote: Alternatively, learn to macro and defend early game, as most low league players can't late game worth shit. Im being put up against mostly high silver/low golds right now. I keep getting killed by a hellbat/viking/tank push. I guess I should get muta right? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 29 2013 03:25 Psychonian wrote: Im being put up against mostly high silver/low golds right now. I keep getting killed by a hellbat/viking/tank push. I guess I should get muta right? If it's pure mech like that, Swarm Hosts with Queen support can work well to wear it down as well, but Muta/Ling should work very well against that comp. | ||
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