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Bargeman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 02:01:57
March 28 2013 02:01 GMT
#301
sorry wrong topic
iGrepair
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
34 Posts
March 28 2013 03:13 GMT
#302
What are some Zerg openings???
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 28 2013 03:19 GMT
#303
On March 28 2013 12:13 iGrepair wrote:
What are some Zerg openings???

Check it yo

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402758
It's your boy Guzma!
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 04:05:40
March 28 2013 04:05 GMT
#304
Is there a late game transition for ZvP when you open roach/hydra and early-ish viper? Played a game with even trades but he eventually got the 4th base up and got all his super gas units and everything of mine melted to archon/VR/colossus/stalker.
Netheran
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1 Post
March 28 2013 04:10 GMT
#305
Are fast thirds and early agression no longer viable with widow mines and speed vacs? IE can early ling or roach harass timings still be done?
hello world
ManiacTheZealot
Profile Joined December 2009
United States490 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 05:16:37
March 28 2013 05:06 GMT
#306
On March 28 2013 13:10 Netheran wrote:
Are fast thirds and early agression no longer viable with widow mines and speed vacs? IE can early ling or roach harass timings still be done?


I know that Spanishiwa has been doing 3 hatch openers against Terran with success. Check out his stream if you wanna see it.

http://www.twitch.tv/spanishiwa/videos?kind=past_broadcasts
Falcon-sw
Profile Joined September 2010
United States324 Posts
March 28 2013 05:25 GMT
#307
ZVZ, scouted a 10 pool, got my pool down at 14, held the attack with zero drones, zero lings lost.

Felt safe to drone and expand, but he comes back with 30 speedlings and kills my natural.

Is a ten pool a viable long term build or did he absolutely need to kill my natural to win? Spoiler alert: he did.
https://www.youtube.com/FalconPaladin https://twitch.tv/falconpaladin
luck_star21
Profile Joined April 2011
United States264 Posts
March 28 2013 05:31 GMT
#308
I'm also having issues versus 10pools that target my natural, wondering what the proper response is.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 05:33:20
March 28 2013 05:32 GMT
#309
On March 28 2013 13:10 Netheran wrote:
Are fast thirds and early agression no longer viable with widow mines and speed vacs? IE can early ling or roach harass timings still be done?


Fast thirds are viable, early aggression vs terran is really hard though I don't feel it's very viable unless terran is playing super super greedy.

If you are aggressive you have to be super aware where widow mines are and all that fun stuff or any aggression can be done super fast.
When I think of something else, something will go here
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
March 28 2013 05:41 GMT
#310
On March 28 2013 14:25 Falcon-sw wrote:
ZVZ, scouted a 10 pool, got my pool down at 14, held the attack with zero drones, zero lings lost.

Felt safe to drone and expand, but he comes back with 30 speedlings and kills my natural.

Is a ten pool a viable long term build or did he absolutely need to kill my natural to win? Spoiler alert: he did.

Just curious, did you scout after you held? Did you have a baneling nest/speed of your own? What matters is what he does after the 10 pool. A 10 pool is supposed to kill a hatch first, if it does hes slightly ahead if it doesnt hes slightly behind (assuming he droned a bit afterwards). I mean, if you held it and he never expanded and had gas going for a speed followup, he can punish you still with earlier speedlings (which he did from what it sounds like).
RoMeRuffles
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany4 Posts
March 28 2013 06:11 GMT
#311
How can I win vs a Terran Proxy Reaper build? Tried it all so far, I just dont see a chance.
tzim
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland8 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 09:14:06
March 28 2013 09:12 GMT
#312
Hi guys,

I want to change something in my gameplay - I figure out that playing very aggressive might be it. Can you suggest me some good BO for that ?

For now I am trying
10 pool,
12 overlord, (1x extractor trick)
14 - 3xlings,
17 - queen (1x extractor trick)

and later on 2 base - muta/swarm hosts...

Any suggestions, comments, better BO's ?
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
March 28 2013 11:43 GMT
#313
HI all
Question: how do you micro Vipers?
when i take all my vipers and C on the evo cahmber. Only one of them starts sucking energy.
So i have manually to click on every one of them and command to consume.
How do you do it?
thanx
RoMeRuffles
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany4 Posts
March 28 2013 12:12 GMT
#314
On March 28 2013 20:43 SorrowShine wrote:
HI all
Question: how do you micro Vipers?
when i take all my vipers and C on the evo cahmber. Only one of them starts sucking energy.
So i have manually to click on every one of them and command to consume.
How do you do it?
thanx


Since I have all my Vipers in one controllgroup I just select them and click a few times on a building to consume, so they all start. Or you can click different buildings fast, no need to select every Viper on its own.
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
March 28 2013 12:36 GMT
#315
On March 28 2013 21:12 RoMeRuffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 20:43 SorrowShine wrote:
HI all
Question: how do you micro Vipers?
when i take all my vipers and C on the evo cahmber. Only one of them starts sucking energy.
So i have manually to click on every one of them and command to consume.
How do you do it?
thanx


Since I have all my Vipers in one controllgroup I just select them and click a few times on a building to consume, so they all start. Or you can click different buildings fast, no need to select every Viper on its own.


Do you shift click: C+Shift+Left mouse button or C+Left MB C+Left MB etc?
RoMeRuffles
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany4 Posts
March 28 2013 13:19 GMT
#316
On March 28 2013 21:36 SorrowShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 21:12 RoMeRuffles wrote:
On March 28 2013 20:43 SorrowShine wrote:
HI all
Question: how do you micro Vipers?
when i take all my vipers and C on the evo cahmber. Only one of them starts sucking energy.
So i have manually to click on every one of them and command to consume.
How do you do it?
thanx


Since I have all my Vipers in one controllgroup I just select them and click a few times on a building to consume, so they all start. Or you can click different buildings fast, no need to select every Viper on its own.


Do you shift click: C+Shift+Left mouse button or C+Left MB C+Left MB etc?


I just Spam C + MB, but I guess you can just hold C and spam MB
Bondator
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland120 Posts
March 28 2013 13:19 GMT
#317
On March 28 2013 21:36 SorrowShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 21:12 RoMeRuffles wrote:
On March 28 2013 20:43 SorrowShine wrote:
HI all
Question: how do you micro Vipers?
when i take all my vipers and C on the evo cahmber. Only one of them starts sucking energy.
So i have manually to click on every one of them and command to consume.
How do you do it?
thanx


Since I have all my Vipers in one controllgroup I just select them and click a few times on a building to consume, so they all start. Or you can click different buildings fast, no need to select every Viper on its own.


Do you shift click: C+Shift+Left mouse button or C+Left MB C+Left MB etc?


Both will work, but there's one more method which also works well with many many other mechanics in the game. Go to your keyboard settings in Windows and set repeat delay to shortest, and repeat rate to fastest. Then all you have to do is

Hold C + click click click click...
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/520440/1/Bondator/
Xardov
Profile Joined March 2012
12 Posts
March 28 2013 13:50 GMT
#318
What is the best way to punish a 15 hatch 16 pool opening from an opponent without getting to far behind? Attack with roaches? Bust in with some banes and speedlings? I remember that I used to do 10pools to deny this but I want to know if there is something that doesn't get you so far behind if it fails.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 14:02:21
March 28 2013 13:55 GMT
#319
On March 28 2013 14:25 Falcon-sw wrote:
ZVZ, scouted a 10 pool, got my pool down at 14, held the attack with zero drones, zero lings lost.

Felt safe to drone and expand, but he comes back with 30 speedlings and kills my natural.

Is a ten pool a viable long term build or did he absolutely need to kill my natural to win? Spoiler alert: he did.


The goal of that 10 pool is to force a cancel on the expo or to pull drones off mining. So in that case it was a successful opening for him. 10 pool is very viable in ZvZ. Top GSL zergs do it all the time. It is worse economically but not so much worse especially if it does damage.

What is the best way to punish a 15 hatch 16 pool opening from an opponent without getting to far behind? Attack with roaches? Bust in with some banes and speedlings? I remember that I used to do 10pools to deny this but I want to know if there is something that doesn't get you so far behind if it fails.


This opener is really safe against all those roach and ling/bane attacks. Really the only thing would be a 10 pool and you can't reactively 10 pool. A 15h/16p can become very aggressive when metabolic boost finishes so you can't blindly try and out greed them as well.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 15:42:06
March 28 2013 15:22 GMT
#320
Small question

How to deal with lings marines hellbat medivac ?

This pure mineralz compositions looks soo imba... Cant find any way to deal with it.

I'm master on eu server .
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