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Cable
Profile Joined January 2011
116 Posts
March 30 2012 01:48 GMT
#61
Great job on this guide. This has helped me out tremendously. Really catching the grip here and it's wonderful.

I love this style and will continue to use it.

Again, congratulations on this guide TangSC, it's rocking!
SKGZombie
Profile Joined February 2012
United States42 Posts
March 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#62
On March 30 2012 03:23 TangSC wrote:

3) In the event the protoss player secures his 3rd base, what is the correct transition for Zerg?



See day9 daily # 429 Stephanos late game ZvP style with mass spines while turtling to broodlord infestor


http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-429-p1-stephano-s-zvp-late-game-style-6009413
If I live I will kill you if I die you are foregivin such is the rule of honor
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
March 30 2012 03:12 GMT
#63
what's best defense against 1sg pumping out 1 or 2 voids?
yo
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 03:38:16
March 30 2012 03:34 GMT
#64
Funny how protoss say they can't do anything. If you FFE you are denying yourself the ability to pressure,accept that fact. You guys were laughing at zergs when FFE era came, now zergs finally learn how to counter that you are back to whining again. HAHA, I love protoss qq. We adapted, you should learn to adapt instead of whining,
ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
March 30 2012 03:41 GMT
#65
I would like to see a stephano vs genius showmatch or something. Genius's hyper defensive reactionary style I think would do very well vs stephano.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
March 30 2012 03:58 GMT
#66
On March 30 2012 03:39 daredpanda wrote:
What can toss do to prevent this?


1. Mass colossus, HT, void rays
2. A move and spam storm
3. ????


Profit

User was temp banned for this post.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
March 30 2012 04:00 GMT
#67
On March 30 2012 12:58 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:39 daredpanda wrote:
What can toss do to prevent this?


1. Mass colossus, HT, void rays
2. A move and spam storm
3. ????


Profit

you're going to have mass colossus, HT with storm, and void rays at 12:00 and be able to hold off max roaches cost effectively? no forcefield?
Maruprime.
hoolaboris
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)55 Posts
March 30 2012 04:06 GMT
#68
does someone have good replays showing this build in action with a zerg maxing out in a pro game?
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
March 30 2012 04:16 GMT
#69
On March 30 2012 13:00 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 12:58 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:39 daredpanda wrote:
What can toss do to prevent this?


1. Mass colossus, HT, void rays
2. A move and spam storm
3. ????


Profit

you're going to have mass colossus, HT with storm, and void rays at 12:00 and be able to hold off max roaches cost effectively? no forcefield?


Yes, while waiting to that point, just mass sentries and spam forcefield while making colossus, etc.

Or another alternative would be to mass zealots and just a move but I dont recommend since they are not good vs microed' roaches
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12460 Posts
March 30 2012 04:17 GMT
#70
wow tang, nice guide. I mean all your other original ones were all-ins but this is a really nice analysis of stephano zvp. Thanks
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Forbidden17
Profile Joined December 2011
666 Posts
March 30 2012 04:31 GMT
#71
On March 30 2012 13:16 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 13:00 Corrosive wrote:
On March 30 2012 12:58 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:39 daredpanda wrote:
What can toss do to prevent this?


1. Mass colossus, HT, void rays
2. A move and spam storm
3. ????


Profit

you're going to have mass colossus, HT with storm, and void rays at 12:00 and be able to hold off max roaches cost effectively? no forcefield?


Yes, while waiting to that point, just mass sentries and spam forcefield while making colossus, etc.

Or another alternative would be to mass zealots and just a move but I dont recommend since they are not good vs microed' roaches

Sorry if I'm missing a joke or something here, but seriously........

what???
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
March 30 2012 04:32 GMT
#72
On March 30 2012 13:31 Forbidden17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 13:16 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
On March 30 2012 13:00 Corrosive wrote:
On March 30 2012 12:58 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:39 daredpanda wrote:
What can toss do to prevent this?


1. Mass colossus, HT, void rays
2. A move and spam storm
3. ????


Profit

you're going to have mass colossus, HT with storm, and void rays at 12:00 and be able to hold off max roaches cost effectively? no forcefield?


Yes, while waiting to that point, just mass sentries and spam forcefield while making colossus, etc.

Or another alternative would be to mass zealots and just a move but I dont recommend since they are not good vs microed' roaches

Sorry if I'm missing a joke or something here, but seriously........

what???


Must be sarcasm... surely...
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
March 30 2012 04:58 GMT
#73
On March 30 2012 03:57 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I'm pretty upset you're posting this. I already see it and lose to it too much on the ladder. Please delete this thread.

Sorry bro eal with it* haha
Thanks for the post.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
March 30 2012 05:24 GMT
#74
is there vod of any protoss holding that push? i only saw white-ra lose to it on Antiga and it was bad
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
March 30 2012 06:11 GMT
#75
On March 30 2012 03:51 TangSC wrote:
Updated to 7:20, which more accurately reflects the lair and 3rd gas timings. Remember, it's your first 100 gas after you start gas 2 geysers at 6min.
Thanks for the suggestions, LazinCajun.

If you start the two geysers at 6 minutes, you should have 100 from ONE geyser by around 7°25°, 200 from the two that you would make. You should have the gas at right around 7° from two.
I haven't tested the resource timings though, so is 7°20° the approximate time you'll be starting it due to mineral constraints or is it simply not optimal to spend the resources until that bit later, but you need the geysers at that time in order to save up to start upgrades in good timing?
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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:18:20
March 30 2012 06:18 GMT
#76
Shouldn't your economy be at 2100 for minerals not 1900? i dont see the point of not making 2 extra drones per base
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sanddbox_sc2
Profile Joined October 2011
United States173 Posts
March 30 2012 06:25 GMT
#77
Yes, yes, yes! Finally a non-allin guide that's extremely well structured and presented. Excellent job!
maddogmcgee
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia105 Posts
March 30 2012 07:07 GMT
#78
Personally ive been seeing a lot of all ins beat this on the ladder. Watching Catz stream the other day I saw a couple of toss beat him in a row, often with the toss cutting drones on their 2 base all in, to get it hitting before he had any roaches out. At diamond level where I play on NA and SEA, players have started blindly copying these all ins because every zerg seems to go Stephano style. I'm strongly considering going back to mutas until zergies start doing something different.
and he whispered, never more
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 07:16:30
March 30 2012 07:15 GMT
#79
When i started playing stephano style my vsP skyrocket, its day and night difference in my MMR range(mid masters) :p Finally im capable of punishing protoss for years of me being beated :D
Stork[gm]
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
March 30 2012 07:31 GMT
#80
On March 30 2012 16:07 maddogmcgee wrote:
Personally ive been seeing a lot of all ins beat this on the ladder. Watching Catz stream the other day I saw a couple of toss beat him in a row, often with the toss cutting drones on their 2 base all in, to get it hitting before he had any roaches out. At diamond level where I play on NA and SEA, players have started blindly copying these all ins because every zerg seems to go Stephano style. I'm strongly considering going back to mutas until zergies start doing something different.


Anyone can mass drones for the first 8 minutes of the game and be maxed at 12:00. What makes this style hard to play is precisely defending all-ins. If you're going to give up this style because you can't figure out how to deal with 2 base all-ins, then it's your loss, but you should be a little more perseverent.
geiko.813 (EU)
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