[D] VS Random ? - Page 16

On December 27 2012 04:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
I either just 6 pool or quit vs random.

The reason is that by playing random they are really screwing up that game. I want to play a game where I am able to practice and play standard and by playing random we are basically playing a pointless game where I would have to stay incredibly defensive and wait for their all in. If they really did want to play all three races they would just switch between the three instead of using the advantage they have to cheese.

On December 27 2012 09:10 TSORG wrote:
there are no rdm pro players because no serious tournament should and would accept such an advantage at pro lvl. there is merit to the idea that playing requires more knowledge (not skill) of the game, having random is definitely an option that should be kept in the game. imo fairest solution is to make the race visible in the loading screen.

that being said its prolly not a big problem at diamond/master lvl, but at the lower lvls it is imo, unit control and macro being so much worse playing random (cheeses) gives such a huge advantage. and i suppose it will give a big advantage at pro lvl, but im not an expert on that matter.

i always ask if someone plays rdm and i consider it a bit bm if ppl dont say because imo rdm is there for your own excitement/improvement/etc and should not affect others. i did once have someone lie to me though, so you cant always trust them. someone already said it before, i just think well whatever, some people are just so sad for points they will lie about something so petty and go on. its not the worst thing in the world and for those who play rdm and tell their races, more respect to them.

On December 27 2012 04:25 DashedHopes wrote:
I find it very hard vs Zerg as Toss cause it forces me to do a 1 base opening and we all know how good that is. Also people say they have huge disadvantage being random but their mmr is the same so they are same level with all 3 races technically so their advantages are imba in my opinion.

On December 27 2012 08:00 fire_brand wrote:
I play random. It's ironic that everyone in the community has this opinion. You play a random maybe 10% of the time. And if you're in diamond and above they'll probably be cheesing about 25% of the time. So every 40 games you'll get cheesed by a random. If you take this same occurrence and put it up against the other races you face you're probably going to come up against similar numbers.

I've played random since the beta, and have never cheesed. I have well over 2000 1v1 games played, as random. I have discovered in my years of laddering that most random players, even if they're cheesers, are the most manner players on the ladder. If you beat their cheese they gg and leave the game. When the same happens against any other race cheesing me they rage and go off against the injustices of me playing random.

I would say nowadays, I get cheesed more by Toss and Zergs then any other race. Every other game is a roach bane all in, or a baneling bust, 6 pool, 4 gate, 8 gate, or sentry immortal all in. Random players are probably not going to be relying on any mid game cheese if they don't cheese you in the first 5 minutes. And if they do, then it should be a free win that you can take to the bank.

If anything you should be reveling in your chance to play a game against a random player. Of the 30 games you play every day most are probably infestor broodlord, or some sort of mid game timing attack all in. Random players don't do that, either because of lack of experience or lack of interest. If they have a funky opening, then good. You may end up playing a game different than the last 50 games you played on the ladder. It will take you outside of your comfort game and make you a better player. Take it as an opportunity and stop blaming random players for enjoying the game.

There are numerous safe openings against random that you can play. With the new maps you can even play greedy and beat most cheese. And next time try asking them what race they are. They'll probably tell you.

Next time you see that little planet beside their name resist the urge to succumb to the rage rising within you and take a positive perspective on the game. It'll make playing sc2 more fun.

On December 27 2012 09:10 TSORG wrote:
there are no rdm pro players because no serious tournament should and would accept such an advantage at pro lvl. there is merit to the idea that playing requires more knowledge (not skill) of the game, having random is definitely an option that should be kept in the game. imo fairest solution is to make the race visible in the loading screen.

that being said its prolly not a big problem at diamond/master lvl, but at the lower lvls it is imo, unit control and macro being so much worse playing random (cheeses) gives such a huge advantage. and i suppose it will give a big advantage at pro lvl, but im not an expert on that matter.

i always ask if someone plays rdm and i consider it a bit bm if ppl dont say because imo rdm is there for your own excitement/improvement/etc and should not affect others. i did once have someone lie to me though, so you cant always trust them. someone already said it before, i just think well whatever, some people are just so sad for points they will lie about something so petty and go on. its not the worst thing in the world and for those who play rdm and tell their races, more respect to them.

On January 18 2012 20:44 ThatGuy89 wrote:
as a toss player i hate vs random. You HAVE to build the pylong near your main ramp incase its zerg. If its not, theres no

On December 27 2012 09:10 TSORG wrote:
there are no rdm pro players because no serious tournament should and would accept such an advantage at pro lvl.respect to them.

On December 27 2012 08:00 fire_brand wrote:
I play random. It's ironic that everyone in the community has this opinion. You play a random maybe 10% of the time. And if you're in diamond and above they'll probably be cheesing about 25% of the time. So every 40 games you'll get cheesed by a random. If you take this same occurrence and put it up against the other races you face you're probably going to come up against similar numbers.

I've played random since the beta, and have never cheesed. I have well over 2000 1v1 games played, as random. I have discovered in my years of laddering that most random players, even if they're cheesers, are the most manner players on the ladder. If you beat their cheese they gg and leave the game. When the same happens against any other race cheesing me they rage and go off against the injustices of me playing random.

I would say nowadays, I get cheesed more by Toss and Zergs then any other race. Every other game is a roach bane all in, or a baneling bust, 6 pool, 4 gate, 8 gate, or sentry immortal all in. Random players are probably not going to be relying on any mid game cheese if they don't cheese you in the first 5 minutes. And if they do, then it should be a free win that you can take to the bank.

If anything you should be reveling in your chance to play a game against a random player. Of the 30 games you play every day most are probably infestor broodlord, or some sort of mid game timing attack all in. Random players don't do that, either because of lack of experience or lack of interest. If they have a funky opening, then good. You may end up playing a game different than the last 50 games you played on the ladder. It will take you outside of your comfort game and make you a better player. Take it as an opportunity and stop blaming random players for enjoying the game.

There are numerous safe openings against random that you can play. With the new maps you can even play greedy and beat most cheese. And next time try asking them what race they are. They'll probably tell you.

Next time you see that little planet beside their name resist the urge to succumb to the rage rising within you and take a positive perspective on the game. It'll make playing sc2 more fun.

On December 27 2012 06:04 Salivanth wrote:
Actually, they aren't, because you haven't extended your theory enough. Your idea is that their MMR is the same as yours despite the handicap of playing three races, therefore they can play as well as you can, despite playing three races to your one. This is true, but you haven't accounted for the fact that the random advantage is ALSO reflected in the MMR of your random opponent. You still have, on average, a 50% chance to beat them when all the advantages and disadvantages are tallied up. That said, while their advantages aren't imbalanced thanks to the way MMR works, they ARE annoying as hell. It's ruining Protoss for me. Even when the Zerg plays completely standard. I don't want to learn a gate-core-expand just for the occasional PvR(Z) games I face, but I think I will have to: 1-base all-ins are absolute ass in PvZ, and I can't FFE in PvR.

On December 27 2012 09:25 Slithe wrote:


The reason why there are no pro players who play random is because it is too difficult to practice for three races at once. TLO tried it for a while, and gave up on it. It has nothing to do with tournaments disallowing random.