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On January 18 2013 03:59 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:07 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 18 2013 02:39 Salient wrote:
PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms. r you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid. Those cheeses can work about 50% of the time, especially vs Randoms because they usually scout late to hide their race as long as possible. It has the benefit of making PvRs quick, whether you win or lose. Also, its fun to beat cheesy Random players with cheese. Poetic Justice.
what league are you in?
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On January 18 2013 04:06 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:59 Salient wrote:On January 18 2013 03:07 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 18 2013 02:39 Salient wrote:
PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms. r you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid. Those cheeses can work about 50% of the time, especially vs Randoms because they usually scout late to hide their race as long as possible. It has the benefit of making PvRs quick, whether you win or lose. Also, its fun to beat cheesy Random players with cheese. Poetic Justice. what league are you in?
Diamond. But cheese works in Masters too. Maybe not at the pro level.
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I got into Masters the day patch 1.5 was released, and since I've been in Masters I have only faced one random player who did not use a cheese. I have to have played at least a couple dozen games against random, to my recollection, so even if it's just 1/24, that's still really slim odds that the random player is going to do something that isn't a cheese.
The one game, by the way, was a PvR on Tal Darim Altar, in which he was Z and went hatch first, but I 4gated him because I scouted his location last and had to 4gate in case he was Protoss. I think I even sent a second scout probe out, just in case I could see an all-in coming from that direction's watchtower, but I was already locked into a 4gate build because I had to start banking chronoboost and not get a second gas, and therefore shoot my economical production in the foot. So, ironically, since I have been in Master League, the only time I played a Random who was trying to play a straightforward game, I was forced into 4gating due to the idiotic map pool.
My point here is this: I've played probably 20-30 games against random out of a few hundred games in...half a year or so? And only once did my opponent try to saturate his natural. So can you blame me for just leaving at the start of games against Random? It's cheese almost every single time, at mid-master level. There's a reason why random players don't get this highly ranked from playing macro games: they don't have good mechanics with 3 races. So the ones that make it higher up on the ladder are generally the ones who just cheese all day every day. And I'm fine with cheese being part of the game, but it shouldn't be almost the entire game...it's boring. It's not fun to win against or to lose against, and it's frankly just not good practice. So I have literally no reason to play against Random players, and they have done this to themselves.
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leaving the game doesn't punish randoms. it gives them free wins. so, congratulations on rewarding them for playing random.
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Proxy reaper or marauder into mech all day erry day
If they're bad like most, can kill them with the proxy. If not, kill them with a followup 3fac+ravens push
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On January 18 2013 07:49 ineversmile wrote:
You seem to have the randoms figured out, and as you state they don't have as good mechanics as you, so why don't you just play super safe and fetch your free win?
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On January 18 2013 07:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
leaving the game doesn't punish randoms. it gives them free wins. so, congratulations on rewarding them for playing random.
Well, then maybe I'm not punishing them. But, at least I'm not wasting my time on an irrelevant game. If randoms stop doing stupid shit all the time, games against them would start to matter. But that's never going to change.
On January 18 2013 08:40 kyllinghest wrote:You seem to have the randoms figured out, and as you state they don't have as good mechanics as you, so why don't you just play super safe and fetch your free win?
It's not free. It's usually 10 minutes of scouting a bunch of different cheeses, then holding it, and then another 5-10 minutes of the random player not leaving the game but not being directly killable yet. Or just outright farmhiding. Ain't nobody got time fo' that.
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