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Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
January 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#501
Why is it so hard for people to realize that random is like a 4th race at the beginning...you don't use your zvz opening for zvp or vice versa (generally) And the argument that random players are bad, well that must apply to you as well, because they are playing on your level....
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 13 2013 05:54 GMT
#502
stats opened gate first against zerg in PL.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
January 13 2013 06:23 GMT
#503
I like your signature.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
January 13 2013 08:01 GMT
#504
On January 13 2013 14:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
stats opened gate first against zerg in PL.

guess hes massively behind now
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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
January 13 2013 21:26 GMT
#505
On January 13 2013 17:01 PowerDes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
stats opened gate first against zerg in PL.

guess hes massively behind now


Doesn't naniwa regularilly do a gate expand?

I play random and laugh when people complain about this, playing random is atleast three times as hard (and asfun!) as playing one race since you have to learn three times the match ups; gaining a slight early advantage from forcing your one race opponent to open with a very flexibly safe build hardly compensates for this.

I don't understand why it's so hard for protoss players to open with a pylon/gate near their ramp, zergs to 15/15 pool and terrans to do a standard supply depot/barracks wall off. Scout earlier, identify his build and if he cheeses prepare against it and win.

And no, I'm not one of the "cheese every game" random players, I do tend to play excessively greedy though ^^;:
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
January 13 2013 21:50 GMT
#506
I wonder how large the random effect is. If I'm Plat with all 3 races, will I be high Diamond as Random?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 13 2013 22:27 GMT
#507
On January 13 2013 17:01 PowerDes wrote:
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On January 13 2013 14:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
stats opened gate first against zerg in PL.

guess hes massively behind now

he got to the late game; a 20+ minute game. he did lose though so i imagine the people in this thread will try to hold their hat on that point and ignore the rest of the factors of the game.
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
January 15 2013 21:51 GMT
#508
On January 13 2013 02:52 Sylfyre wrote:
Why is it so hard for people to realize that random is like a 4th race at the beginning...you don't use your zvz opening for zvp or vice versa (generally) And the argument that random players are bad, well that must apply to you as well, because they are playing on your level....



It's hard to realize because Random is not a 4th race, It's 1 of 3 races chosen randomly, hence "Random." You're silly.
Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 09:26:30
January 16 2013 09:22 GMT
#509
On January 13 2013 01:48 Magus.421 wrote:
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On January 12 2013 22:27 DKR wrote:
Unfortunately the game isn't solely about the 2% who train for tournaments or the 10% who play 20 games a day hopeing to get to masters it's about everyone and that includes the majority of people who play because they enjoy the game and enjoy the ladder.

Using ladder for tournament practice is inefficient and you're not going to be winning GSL any time soon that way.


I'm not talking about gsl or anything else like that :D I play "little" online competition. No big cash prize, no big competition, and rarerly "lan" competition. But i really don't "play ladder to just play ladder".


Bingo.

Let's not kid ourselves, here. While there is an AWESOME minority of random players who will play a straight-up game a significant portion of the time, the vast majority of games against random on ladder are simply the random player cheesing. And it's not even that it's cheese that bothers me; it's that the cheese is usually really bad, bumpy cheese. I'm fine with someone 6 pooling me or 14/14ing me or proxy-gating me or 2raxing me or 1-1-1ing me, but at least try when you do it. I hate those 10 minute games against an obvious baneling bust where I'm sitting on 2 bases with a bunch of sentries and a stalker or two behind a full wall, a Void Ray popping out soon, and then the zerg making me waste 5 more minutes walking across the map and killing off all of his buildings. And that's MOST games against random, on ladder. What a waste of time. Sure, a lot of players will do that kind of thing as any race--anyone could be bad mannered, and a random player doesn't necessarily have to be bad mannered...but, most of the time, they are. Not all of the time...just well enough into the 90% range that it just makes playing the PvR match-up a joke on ladder.

So I'm sorry to the very small minority of mannered, quality random players out there...but sometimes, I'm just going to go AFK on you and make a sandwich. Collateral damage.
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Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
January 16 2013 10:58 GMT
#510
On January 16 2013 18:22 ineversmile wrote:
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On January 13 2013 01:48 Magus.421 wrote:
On January 12 2013 22:27 DKR wrote:
Unfortunately the game isn't solely about the 2% who train for tournaments or the 10% who play 20 games a day hopeing to get to masters it's about everyone and that includes the majority of people who play because they enjoy the game and enjoy the ladder.

Using ladder for tournament practice is inefficient and you're not going to be winning GSL any time soon that way.


I'm not talking about gsl or anything else like that :D I play "little" online competition. No big cash prize, no big competition, and rarerly "lan" competition. But i really don't "play ladder to just play ladder".


So I'm sorry to the very small minority of mannered, quality random players out there...but sometimes, I'm just going to go AFK on you and make a sandwich. Collateral damage.


So when you have been beaten you just go afk... and you think Random players are BM...
Praise the sun! \o/
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 16 2013 11:25 GMT
#511
OMG a random player? That means I actually have to scout and adjust my build to what I see? I can't just autopilot through a fast expand build like all my other ladder games? omgg omg omg

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A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
January 16 2013 11:52 GMT
#512
I generally just ask for what race they are and usually they'll tell me. I then proceed to do my standard opening for whatever race they claim they are, I also scout after depot just to make sure.
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SXGCoil
Profile Joined February 2012
United States341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 13:37:05
January 16 2013 13:36 GMT
#513
On January 16 2013 20:25 mizU wrote:
OMG a random player? That means I actually have to scout and adjust my build to what I see? I can't just autopilot through a fast expand build like all my other ladder games? omgg omg omg

Get down off the high horse.

In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 16 2013 15:26 GMT
#514
On January 16 2013 22:36 Brawny wrote:
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On January 16 2013 20:25 mizU wrote:
OMG a random player? That means I actually have to scout and adjust my build to what I see? I can't just autopilot through a fast expand build like all my other ladder games? omgg omg omg

Get down off the high horse.

In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/


What high horse? I play random, and never cheese. Sometimes people cheese me because it's "too difficult" to play with a suboptimal opening. Really? 14 pool then hatch is THAT much worse than a 15 hatch? Come on. It's not too difficult to play safely. If you do actually get cheesed and all-ined every game, why aren't you scouting for it if you know it's coming?
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Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 15:33:55
January 16 2013 15:32 GMT
#515
On January 18 2012 19:05 Angel_ wrote:
wait wait wait

so you generalize that all random players are just cheesers and all-iners...



yes, german are nazis
americans are fat
jews have big noses and bunker them money
blacks have big penises
and randoms only allin.

thats life dood, deal with it.

(plz not more than 3 months)

User was banned for this post.
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Rasera
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada96 Posts
January 16 2013 16:56 GMT
#516
I doubt it's just me, but if I choose to play random, I declare my race at the start of the game (1v1 only). Any team based random, then it doesn't matter, because it's cheese all the things anyways in 2v2 and up.

On the flip-side, I don't like it when I play against a random that doesn't declare their race, but I just go 12 forge, 15 gateway at my ramp against any random player as a precaution.
"Sir, the Yamato Cannon is fully charged and ready." "Excellent! Now, aim it at that Zealot's face."
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:20:43
January 17 2013 17:20 GMT
#517
On January 16 2013 22:36 Brawny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 20:25 mizU wrote:
OMG a random player? That means I actually have to scout and adjust my build to what I see? I can't just autopilot through a fast expand build like all my other ladder games? omgg omg omg

Get down off the high horse.

In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/


You just stated every Random player has cheesed you/all-in'ned, which for anything over 50+ Random games played is nearly statistically impossible. You're credibility is now zero.



And even though you don't like it when someone doesnt declare their race, even if they do why would you take their word for it? I play Random in Plat and about 5%-10% of people ask, "Race?" which is very impolite and I either lie or tell them "No habla englis ..."


You have no right to know anything unless you scout me. Bottom line. I have to learn 9 match-up's, you'll have to learn to live with my 2 minute advantage.


As far as the OP' post just do a safe generic opener and react from there. It's really not that different from knowing the race and preparing for anything.
Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
January 17 2013 17:39 GMT
#518
PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 17 2013 18:07 GMT
#519
On January 18 2013 02:39 Salient wrote:
PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms.

you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 19:00:02
January 17 2013 18:59 GMT
#520
On January 18 2013 03:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 02:39 Salient wrote:
PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms.
r
you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid.


Those cheeses can work about 50% of the time, especially vs Randoms because they usually scout late to hide their race as long as possible. It has the benefit of making PvRs quick, whether you win or lose. Also, its fun to beat cheesy Random players with cheese. Poetic Justice.
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