EPT[D] VS Random ? - Page 26
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Sylfyre
Australia222 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
On January 13 2013 14:54 dAPhREAk wrote: stats opened gate first against zerg in PL. guess hes massively behind now | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
Doesn't naniwa regularilly do a gate expand? I play random and laugh when people complain about this, playing random is atleast three times as hard (and asfun!) as playing one race since you have to learn three times the match ups; gaining a slight early advantage from forcing your one race opponent to open with a very flexibly safe build hardly compensates for this. I don't understand why it's so hard for protoss players to open with a pylon/gate near their ramp, zergs to 15/15 pool and terrans to do a standard supply depot/barracks wall off. Scout earlier, identify his build and if he cheeses prepare against it and win. And no, I'm not one of the "cheese every game" random players, I do tend to play excessively greedy though ^^;: | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
he got to the late game; a 20+ minute game. he did lose though so i imagine the people in this thread will try to hold their hat on that point and ignore the rest of the factors of the game. | ||
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President Dead
97 Posts
On January 13 2013 02:52 Sylfyre wrote: Why is it so hard for people to realize that random is like a 4th race at the beginning...you don't use your zvz opening for zvp or vice versa (generally) And the argument that random players are bad, well that must apply to you as well, because they are playing on your level.... It's hard to realize because Random is not a 4th race, It's 1 of 3 races chosen randomly, hence "Random." You're silly. | ||
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
On January 13 2013 01:48 Magus.421 wrote: I'm not talking about gsl or anything else like that :D I play "little" online competition. No big cash prize, no big competition, and rarerly "lan" competition. But i really don't "play ladder to just play ladder". Bingo. Let's not kid ourselves, here. While there is an AWESOME minority of random players who will play a straight-up game a significant portion of the time, the vast majority of games against random on ladder are simply the random player cheesing. And it's not even that it's cheese that bothers me; it's that the cheese is usually really bad, bumpy cheese. I'm fine with someone 6 pooling me or 14/14ing me or proxy-gating me or 2raxing me or 1-1-1ing me, but at least try when you do it. I hate those 10 minute games against an obvious baneling bust where I'm sitting on 2 bases with a bunch of sentries and a stalker or two behind a full wall, a Void Ray popping out soon, and then the zerg making me waste 5 more minutes walking across the map and killing off all of his buildings. And that's MOST games against random, on ladder. What a waste of time. Sure, a lot of players will do that kind of thing as any race--anyone could be bad mannered, and a random player doesn't necessarily have to be bad mannered...but, most of the time, they are. Not all of the time...just well enough into the 90% range that it just makes playing the PvR match-up a joke on ladder. So I'm sorry to the very small minority of mannered, quality random players out there...but sometimes, I'm just going to go AFK on you and make a sandwich. Collateral damage. | ||
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Shottaz
United Kingdom414 Posts
On January 16 2013 18:22 ineversmile wrote: So I'm sorry to the very small minority of mannered, quality random players out there...but sometimes, I'm just going to go AFK on you and make a sandwich. Collateral damage. So when you have been beaten you just go afk... and you think Random players are BM... | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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SXGCoil
United States341 Posts
On January 16 2013 20:25 mizU wrote: OMG a random player? That means I actually have to scout and adjust my build to what I see? I can't just autopilot through a fast expand build like all my other ladder games? omgg omg omg Get down off the high horse. In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/ | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:36 Brawny wrote: Get down off the high horse. In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/ What high horse? I play random, and never cheese. Sometimes people cheese me because it's "too difficult" to play with a suboptimal opening. Really? 14 pool then hatch is THAT much worse than a 15 hatch? Come on. It's not too difficult to play safely. If you do actually get cheesed and all-ined every game, why aren't you scouting for it if you know it's coming? | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:05 Angel_ wrote: wait wait wait so you generalize that all random players are just cheesers and all-iners... yes, german are nazis americans are fat jews have big noses and bunker them money blacks have big penises and randoms only allin. thats life dood, deal with it. (plz not more than 3 months) User was banned for this post. | ||
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Rasera
Canada96 Posts
On the flip-side, I don't like it when I play against a random that doesn't declare their race, but I just go 12 forge, 15 gateway at my ramp against any random player as a precaution. | ||
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President Dead
97 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:36 Brawny wrote: Get down off the high horse. In my experience randoms really do cheese/all in every game :/ You just stated every Random player has cheesed you/all-in'ned, which for anything over 50+ Random games played is nearly statistically impossible. You're credibility is now zero. And even though you don't like it when someone doesnt declare their race, even if they do why would you take their word for it? I play Random in Plat and about 5%-10% of people ask, "Race?" which is very impolite and I either lie or tell them "No habla englis ..." You have no right to know anything unless you scout me. Bottom line. I have to learn 9 match-up's, you'll have to learn to live with my 2 minute advantage. As far as the OP' post just do a safe generic opener and react from there. It's really not that different from knowing the race and preparing for anything. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 18 2013 02:39 Salient wrote: PvR isn't fun. You have to wall your ramp in case of zerg 6 pool. But that wall is a liability against a Terran 2 Rax or Protoss 3 gate robo all in. It's probably best to just cannon rush or 2 gate proxy against randoms. you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On January 18 2013 03:07 dAPhREAk wrote: r you really think a cannon rush or 2 gate proxy is a safer build against randoms? that seems incredibly stupid. Those cheeses can work about 50% of the time, especially vs Randoms because they usually scout late to hide their race as long as possible. It has the benefit of making PvRs quick, whether you win or lose. Also, its fun to beat cheesy Random players with cheese. Poetic Justice. | ||
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