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I've recently gotten a Spectre Mouse and a Marauder keyboard and found that they have some truly amazing potential for bullshit on the macro side of things.
Currently when I'm set to my Zerg profile, I can roll the mouse-wheel forward while playing with Infestors to expend all of their energy on Infested Terrans in less than a second. It's a huge MASS of beachballs dropping all at once. Very ugly.
I've also got my Psi-storm and Guardian shield set to one click casting and for Zerg I can inject larvae on all of my Hatcheries with two button clicks. EMP's are single click and I have a macro set to super-quickly (when I have a group of marines, marauders, and ghosts selected) switch to the Marines and stim instantly (less than one millisecond) then switch back to the Ghosts.
Altogether I don't get to see most of these kinds of things used very often. I'm curious as to what your macros are? None of these seem particularly game breaking. They just simplify things significantly. Certainly Zerg macro is a lot easier with them.
I have yet to make Blink micro work with a macro but meh, I'll figure it out eventually.
What macro's do you usually set and what keyboard do you use to set them?
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There's been a little controversy on this thread as to whether these products are likely to get you banned and what limits are on current macro set-ups. Obviously this system doesn't allow for some of the more complex pieces of macro.
I can't make it consistently Blink, it won't operate most race macro-mechanics with any reasonable reliability (The Zerg have this particular thing the worst. If you have an un-even number of Queens, they tend to attempt to walk to the other side of the map rather than injecting) and while it does switch units very quickly and apply buffs like guardian shield, it tends to fail miserably if your unit composition isn't precisely what it was when the macro was set.
At best, your units get their buff but get slightly distracted in battle. At worst, they wander headlong into an enemy composition like a line of pointy ducklings.
Has anyone seen Blizzard issue some proclamation on this?
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I was under the impression that setting macros like this could get you banned.
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Macros are disallowed by the ToS and if Blizzard determines you are using them you will be banned.
Most people on here don't use macros.
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So...the program that Blizzard helped write and that they include with the peripheral which has StarCraft 2 in giant letters on it, with software specifically for setting macro's for Starcraft 2 and which is advertised on the Starcraft 2 website can get you banned?
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The first one with changing mousewheel up to spew infested terrans doesn't seem like it counts, but the others may. I have a new mouse. What is their definition of a macro. Anything over 1 button press?
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I've just gone over the terms of service and it says VERY specifically that 'Programs Not Authorized By Blizzard' are what will get you banned. I would say that a program with 'Licensed Blizzard Product' in giant letters across the splash page and that they advertised on their own website would probably not count.
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Mhm. If that is actually true, then all I can do is facepalm at Blizzard. Again. =/
It should obviously not be allowed in any shape or form.
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Yup, and definitely isn't allowed in tourneys, so I wouldn't get used to using them if you ever plan on competing.
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On December 28 2010 11:00 Talin wrote:
Mhm. If that is actually true, then all I can do is facepalm at Blizzard. Again. =/
It should obviously not be allowed in any shape or form.
Blizzard has banned people for using macros. if OP keeps using the macros, he is choosing to risk his SC2 account.
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On December 28 2010 11:01 pwnasaurus wrote:
Yup, and definitely isn't allowed in tourneys, so I wouldn't get used to using them if you ever plan on competing.
Was wondering where I've seen that username recently:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179118
Probably not going to compete any time soon. Also seems like a "I am terrible legitly so let me cheat" train of thought.
It's illegal and you'll hopefully get banned if caught.
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Hey, I came for genuine advice and assistance. If this is banned by the ToS, it's banned by the ToS.
I haven't made use of any of this on the ladder and I was under the impression since Blizz stuck their name all across this product that they'd probably have some idea what it could and would be used for. If it's at all likely to get me banned I'm not going to use those functions but I honestly want to know what I can and cannot do before I stick my foot in the banhammer which was obviously a danger here.
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Obviously they aren't going to let you use things like this at a tournament, but they aren't going to ban you for using simple macros. Especially considering the macro enabled official StarCraft 2 peripherals that advertise they have macros.
I use a bunch of macros I use with my Logitech G15 keyboard and G700 mouse.
I use them all for my macro. 
All of the G keys (macro keys) on my keyboard are used for producing different units on the first memory set, the second memory set is all upgrades, I don't use the third set. On my mouse I have one for build scv and another for select idle worker.
The idea is to have consistent hotkeys for every building, then you set your macros up accordingly. For example I have one macro key set as {2,a} which selects my barracks and builds a marine. I always set 2 to my barracks hotkey. If the game goes on to the late game I end up using every single hotkey.
After a couple games of using my macros it boosted my APM by about 15. I was averaging around 50 and went up to around 65.
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That's like using maphack on Broodwar and talking openly about it. People were getting permabanned for it on teamliquid even if they didn't attend tournaments. It's cheating and nothing else.
On December 28 2010 11:17 locopuyo wrote:
After a couple games of using my macros it boosted my APM by about 15. I was averaging around 50 and went up to around 65.
Obviously, since you only press one key and it counts as multiple ones. Hey, let's bind 44324143243241242142343443321423413412434123423432142342343241242 onto one key and spam that to have over 4000 apm, that makes us more skilled.
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Blizzard hasn't made any sort of statement regarding this and their SC2 peripherals as of yet. I've been hunting around for one but to date I am just not seeing anything.
If you can actually point me to someone on the Blizzard website and from Blizzard saying that these products are not for use with the game on ladder, it would be mightily appreciated. I'm going to edit the original post.
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On December 28 2010 11:21 Shikyo wrote:That's like using maphack on Broodwar and talking openly about it. People were getting permabanned for it on teamliquid even if they didn't attend tournaments. It's cheating and nothing else. Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 11:17 locopuyo wrote:
After a couple games of using my macros it boosted my APM by about 15. I was averaging around 50 and went up to around 65. Obviously, since you only press one key and it counts as multiple ones. Hey, let's bind 44324143243241242142343443321423413412434123423432142342343241242 onto one key and spam that to have over 4000 apm, that makes us more skilled.
It's nothing like using a maphack. I heard rumors about blizzard adding fully customizable keys and macros in the StarCraft 2 options. One of the biggest changes from SC1 to SC2 is Blizzard making the game more about strategy and less about mindless robot clicking. Macros increase efficiency a lot by removing mindless extra clicks.
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On December 28 2010 11:36 locopuyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 11:21 Shikyo wrote:That's like using maphack on Broodwar and talking openly about it. People were getting permabanned for it on teamliquid even if they didn't attend tournaments. It's cheating and nothing else. On December 28 2010 11:17 locopuyo wrote:
After a couple games of using my macros it boosted my APM by about 15. I was averaging around 50 and went up to around 65. Obviously, since you only press one key and it counts as multiple ones. Hey, let's bind 44324143243241242142343443321423413412434123423432142342343241242 onto one key and spam that to have over 4000 apm, that makes us more skilled. It's nothing like using a maphack. I heard rumors about blizzard adding fully customizable keys and macros in the StarCraft 2 options. One of the biggest changes from SC1 to SC2 is Blizzard making the game more about strategy and less about mindless robot clicking. Macros increase efficiency a lot by removing mindless extra clicks.
Oh, that changes everything. It would do so much good for the game if you could just press 4 and all your Queens spawn larvae on every single of your hatcheries. Why not just play on slowest speed, or make the game turn-based instead?
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Shikyo, your posts stopped helping a little while ago...
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On December 28 2010 11:36 locopuyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 11:21 Shikyo wrote:That's like using maphack on Broodwar and talking openly about it. People were getting permabanned for it on teamliquid even if they didn't attend tournaments. It's cheating and nothing else. On December 28 2010 11:17 locopuyo wrote:
After a couple games of using my macros it boosted my APM by about 15. I was averaging around 50 and went up to around 65. Obviously, since you only press one key and it counts as multiple ones. Hey, let's bind 44324143243241242142343443321423413412434123423432142342343241242 onto one key and spam that to have over 4000 apm, that makes us more skilled. It's nothing like using a maphack. I heard rumors about blizzard adding fully customizable keys and macros in the StarCraft 2 options. One of the biggest changes from SC1 to SC2 is Blizzard making the game more about strategy and less about mindless robot clicking. Macros increase efficiency a lot by removing mindless extra clicks.
Nah it's cheating and people have been banned for it.
Gogo cry more about how you suck at sc1.
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See, that's another of those 'loud opinions' we're getting a lot of. I want to know if Blizzard has issued any statements regarding this. The mouse and keyboard both have severe limitations although they can do a few genuinely amazing things. They cannot magically build your base and can only increase the speed you can cast certain spells by a quantity comparable to a slightly faster finger speed (not a significantly faster one).
They are still, at their hearts, dumb machines. You can't use a single key to do a progression of tasks reliably. Starcraft 2 has too many variables. It can only issue a series of key presses. Some of these work better than others and some don't work at all. Even with the lowest delay possible, Yamato cannons fire at exactly the same rate with a single click macro as they would with six normal speed HoldY+clicks.
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Using any third-party programs to improve your gameplay is cheating. It's like using a program to time items for you in Quake: sure, you could do just as well on your own, but you have a huge advantage just from the simple fact that it frees you of the required effort.
It doesn't even matter if it's in the ToS or if Blizzard says it's cheating, what matters is what the community thinks about it. If I'm playing against you and I know that you use macros to help your play, then we both know that it doesn't matter if you win or not, because you're cheating.
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