EPTWhat are your keyboard/mouse Macros? - Page 2
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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chessiecat
82 Posts
Binding EMP to a mouse-key for instance or letting you cast Infested Terran with the mouse wheel. Simple, straightforward, makes the unit significantly easier to use in frantic battles but doesn't fundamentally change how the unit works or how quickly it casts. It only puts the spell closer at hand. Blizzard is issuing hot-keys in two weeks which will do more or less the same thing. It should also be noted that macros which issue multiple commands at a speed with less than 5 milliseconds delay WILL crash Starcraft 2. This makes spamming Infested Terrans a risky business and they're pretty much the only unit that completely benefits from being spammed. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
Everybody should have access to the exact same competitive features as everybody else. How is it fair if I, as a Protoss player, lose to a Terran because he can get off incredibly efficient EMPs and stims with the help of the macro - when he is unable to do so regularly? How is it fair that a zerg can inject larvae with 'two button clicks' while his zerg opponent is forced to do things a more difficult way? It's completely ridiculous. I'm glad you're not laddering with these macros. I doubt other people are as fair-playing as you, however. | ||
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chessiecat
82 Posts
Is it fair that people can purchase those? Or that they have the training advantage granted by the APM lighting system in the Spectre and Marauder? Or a better processor in their computer? If we're speaking of an entirely even playing field here then I suppose they're doing their best...but it strikes me as a bit weird that they are so choosey on some things and so...well...NOT on others. Mainly on things that make money for Blizzard I notice but still. | ||
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Temerit
United States4 Posts
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bobucles
410 Posts
If Blizzard can't make their interface more user friendly, then I'll fix it myself. I assure you, there is a WORLD of difference between the current setup and 1-button casting. Some of the macros I've been playing with DO feel like cheats. The auto-inject one is a bit rigged. Not that's it's my fault Zerg gets 50%+ of their everything from Spawn Larva, but it would take a bronze league up through low gold. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On December 28 2010 11:08 udgnim wrote: Blizzard has banned people for using macros. if OP keeps using the macros, he is choosing to risk his SC2 account. link to someone getting banned for using keyboard macros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146760 also, Blizzard has banned people for using single player cheat programs to help boost their achievement point totals. whether Blizzard cares whether you use macros for single player, I don't know. | ||
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BossPlaya
United States141 Posts
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Wipples
Canada269 Posts
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locopuyo
United States144 Posts
The most advantageous useful macro you can do is only 2 key presses combined into 1. For example instead of pressing {1, a} you could press a single macro key {G1}. The macro keys aren't as close to the finger placement as the standard keys so it's also an extra reach. So the main advantage is you can press 2 button sequences slightly quicker than you could without them. This actually comes in handy less than you would think. Normally you have multiple barracks and want to build more than one marine at once. So instead of pressing {1, a, a} you can press {G1, G1}. You only had to press 2 buttons instead of 3. Eventually 5 buttons instead of 6, etc. Most people get APM capped by idling because their build order and gameplay isn't refined enough. A couple keyboard macros aren't going to make much of a difference. Faster hardware, higher precision mice, and even mechanical keyboards give much bigger advantage gaps than simple macros. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6219 Posts
In other words for whatever reason you could bind say A for build marine to macro key 1 but you wouldn't be able to bind 2->1 to your macro key 1. I would say the infested terran example binding to the mousewheel is treading very close to the line. Even though to make it legal you would have to bind it to left click and hit t+shift and then spin I'm still on the fence about it seeing as it can pop out 15+ ITs per second. Beyond that I disagree with the ability to do anything faster than humanly possible as a matter of fairness in SC2, regardless of if you're in bronze trying to get into a higher league or in diamond looking for a small edge over your opponent. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
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MERLIN.
Canada546 Posts
It's like never doing simple multiplication or fraction work as a child and using a calculator(the macros is calculator in this analogy) and wondering when you hit highschool why everything might be really really fucking hard not being able to do the simple things without those 2 needed things (which branch into every aspect of mathmatics generally) Point is, you won't learn unless you push yourself to think and play faster with every button everyone else generally uses. If using macros is fun and u just play gold or even plat... maybe diamond and ur winning and having fun fuck I really don't care, you payed for it but this topic is on opinions and turned into Cheat or Not Cheat... Fact is, logically it's a handicap and since you have the advantage over MOST people (say 95% to 99% dont use macros) it's a cheat. But if you're down for gaming with macros and you just mind your own P's and Q's and be polite I'm sure no one will give a damn seeing as if you are using macros you aren't going to progress to any competative scene or level. Just HAVE FUN  Merlin | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
Reckon it would it be best to switch to M2 or M3 while playing SC2 as they're all unassigned? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On December 28 2010 12:04 chessiecat wrote: The community seems to be vastly divided on this subject so if that's your metric then you're going to have a tough time. I'm failing to see the divide. This topic infuriates me. How do you not see this is cheating? I have to click two buttons. The game is designed this way. It takes more focus and effort. You click one button, same result. CHEATING. You will be banned for using macros. This has been discussed. The keyboard that says starcraft on it and has macro capability. The macros are cool. They can be used for many things that are not starcraft related. | ||
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bobucles
410 Posts
I have to click two buttons. The game is designed this way. It takes more focus and effort. Hey, I fixed that for you! Why not make a few suggestions on the battle.net forums, huh?You click one button, same result. BAD INTERFACE | ||
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MERLIN.
Canada546 Posts
Fact is, that changing a key from 1 to another is not an "illegal" SC2 ladder move. It is assigning 2keystrokes+ to 1 key (which creates something humanly impossible) that may get a user banned. Locopuyo can take over from here, since you obviously didn't read his well thought out post On December 28 2010 13:19 locopuyo wrote: I agree macros give an unfair advantage and should never be allowed in professional play, but people are blowing it way out of proportion. People are acting as if you press one macro key and it activates a sophisticated AI that builds your base and wins for you as you sit and watch while eating a hot pocket. The most advantageous useful macro you can do is only 2 key presses combined into 1. For example instead of pressing {1, a} you could press a single macro key {G1}. The macro keys aren't as close to the finger placement as the standard keys so it's also an extra reach. So the main advantage is you can press 2 button sequences slightly quicker than you could without them. This actually comes in handy less than you would think. Normally you have multiple barracks and want to build more than one marine at once. So instead of pressing {1, a, a} you can press {G1, G1}. You only had to press 2 buttons instead of 3. Eventually 5 buttons instead of 6, etc. Most people get APM capped by idling because their build order and gameplay isn't refined enough. A couple keyboard macros aren't going to make much of a difference. Faster hardware, higher precision mice, and even mechanical keyboards give much bigger advantage gaps than simple macros. | ||
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gweebadiller
Canada1 Post
The same argument can be made for grid players and standard players, is it unfair that I as a grid player make ultras by pressing q->c as opposed to s->u? No. | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
I thought the only thing that was not allowed is multiple commands on one key, like v+backspace and just spam one button in the middle of your screen a few times. The inject function is annoying, because using backspace to toggle hatcheries seems like the most efficient way to go about it, yet the keys necessary for using the technique are on opposite ends of the keyboard. Although, once they do release the re-mapping patch, I will be moving my U, I, and O keys to f1 f2 f3 (I hate that some of the important tech units are so far away from the natural hand position. I'm talking to you Immortals and Ultra/infestor! Ever made a round of infestors and think to yourself "where the hell are my ultras at?). | ||
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MERLIN.
Canada546 Posts
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