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What are your keyboard/mouse Macros? - Page 13
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ZenithX
United States39 Posts
How to inject larvae without cheating: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125725 | ||
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
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hangarninetysix
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
Blizzard has always stated that one key press = one action. NEVER more. How can you not understand this? ALL emails from Blizzard say this and you still dont get it. | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On January 01 2011 09:05 CounterOrder wrote: I think some people here are trying to be stupid. Blizzard has always stated that one key press = one action. NEVER more. How can you not understand this? ALL emails from Blizzard say this and you still dont get it. Actually they don't. They actually have no clue what they're talking about apparently and it doesn't matter to them. Then again your forcing them to back away from a promoted product by clarifying the rules. Protip, they wont. Guess its not cheating because cash rules everything. Not saying its not really cheesy after a point to have automated macros. Not saying most of the community likes them. Just saying that anyone who bought that keyboard and used the macros will probably not get banned. And if they somehow do all they have to say is Blizzard supported it, bam UNBAN. I'm surprised this thread isn't locked yet. The majority of the posts are completely off topic. Including this one. | ||
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eth3n
718 Posts
On January 01 2011 09:16 Hubris wrote: Then again your forcing them to back away from a promoted product by clarifying the rules. Protip, they wont. Guess its not cheating because cash rules everything. . On January 01 2011 09:05 CounterOrder wrote: I think some people here are trying to be stupid. Blizzard has always stated that one key press = one action. NEVER more. How can you not understand this? ALL emails from Blizzard say this and you still dont get it. did you read OP's e-mail to blizzard? | ||
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Boxxi
Sweden5 Posts
My question to Blizzard: + Show Spoiler + My question is whether macros are allowed in Starcraft 2. Is it for example allowed to make your Psi Storm a one-click cast? Is it allowed to make Spawn Larva a one-click cast for your Queens? Is it allowed to create a macro that switches f rom what you currently have selected, to your marines, stim the marines, and switch back? Is it more allowed if you bought the Spectre Mouse and Marauder keyboard? They come with a program capable of creating macros. They are both manufactured by Razer but they seem to be licensed by Blizzard. Their response: Hello Boxxi, Thank you for your email. Anything that permits you to do with a single click what you'd usually need two or more clicks or key-presses to accomplish isn't permitted. Mapping individual actions to individual buttons (effectively giving an action a new "hotkey" on your mouse or keyboard) is fine, but any sort of performing multiple actions with a single click would be viewed as an unfair advantage in a multiplayer game. If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact us again. Best regards, Blizzard Entertainment Europe Adam L. Account and Technical Support http://eu.blizzard.com/support It does not matter whether you use the macro program you get with the Razer keyboard/mouse or some other macro program. It does not make it more okay if you use the bundled one. That program Razer is responsible for and Razer only; they most likely did not ask Blizzard for permission or anything like that. | ||
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MrMoist
United States72 Posts
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mczbot
Germany70 Posts
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chessiecat
82 Posts
I dunno if this is some artifact of the Marauder and Spectre, but frankly the macro's are kind of under-whelming. You can only run one at a time so these people claiming that you can run some kind of 'perfect probe production' scheme are talking out of their rears. You can produce probes but the actual increase in efficiency is slight and you won't automate it in any way without using some program besides the one included with the keyboard. The unit production thing that lets you set up a hot-key to build off multiple structures works, IF you have those structures up. Again, slightly underwhelming increase in speed. The actual hand-speed required to do the same thing without using the macro is tiny and the lack of control over your precise unit composition makes it more worthwhile to not use it. I haven't experienced this 'vast swing of speed that instantly wins games'. In fact, being that most games end before the 12 minute mark the major advantages I've had involved binding Chrono-boost to one key. This has the unfortunate side effect of once in a while Chrono-boosting my Nexus without meaning to so I kind of abandoned it. Yeah, the macro's are cute. I don't know that I'll be using them. They're sort of 'meh' in terms of actual changes to game-play and tend to be inflexible or, at worst, to cause more problems than they solve. | ||
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Zeetee
United States153 Posts
On January 02 2011 09:02 chessiecat wrote: Everyone is Hitler. Can we end this thread now please? Blizzard will issue a ruling eventually. For now, the macro's are just not affecting my game that much. As much as I've been messing with them in every match-up the best I've managed is some MILDLY more efficient spell casting with my units sometimes going for a run to the other end of the map and picking their noses in the middle of a hail of gunfire. I dunno if this is some artifact of the Marauder and Spectre, but frankly the macro's are kind of under-whelming. You can only run one at a time so these people claiming that you can run some kind of 'perfect probe production' scheme are talking out of their rears. You can produce probes but the actual increase in efficiency is slight and you won't automate it in any way without using some program besides the one included with the keyboard. The unit production thing that lets you set up a hot-key to build off multiple structures works, IF you have those structures up. Again, slightly underwhelming increase in speed. The actual hand-speed required to do the same thing without using the macro is tiny and the lack of control over your precise unit composition makes it more worthwhile to not use it. I haven't experienced this 'vast swing of speed that instantly wins games'. In fact, being that most games end before the 12 minute mark the major advantages I've had involved binding Chrono-boost to one key. This has the unfortunate side effect of once in a while Chrono-boosting my Nexus without meaning to so I kind of abandoned it. Yeah, the macro's are cute. I don't know that I'll be using them. They're sort of 'meh' in terms of actual changes to game-play and tend to be inflexible or, at worst, to cause more problems than they solve. the e-mail boxxi posted is a very clear-cut ruling. macros are against the rules. they do not intend for you to be able to simulate multiple key presses with a single key press. having said that, i seriously doubt you will get caught/banned. | ||
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
At the end of the day if u are play well and have a good control group setup and know the hotkeys on the keyboard macros are just plain unecessary | ||
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lowlypawn
United States241 Posts
Queen inject macro: 5-backspace-inject set to an extra mouse button. Allows me to inject with just two clicks of the mouse. 123 attack macro: 1-attack-click-2-attack-click-3-attack-click all set to the "`" key. For late game when I have a huge army. As zerg it's usually best to attack from 3 sides and sandwich your opponent. With one keystroke I can command all three attack groups to attack the same spot instantaneously. Roach stutter step macro: (May also work for marines, stalkers, and marauder) I haven't tested this yet but I think it could be super effective, maybe even game breaking. move-delay-delay-delay-stop, with the key macro option "repeat as long as the key is held" on. What this should do is once the delay is set for the exact same amount as the roaches attack cool down. This should allow you to simply hold down one key, move the mouse and the roaches will basically attack anything in range every attack cool down and continue to move where you want. APM macro. I saw on a youtube video some guy would hold ONE key down and his APM shot up to 3,000 (yes 3K) lol. I don't know exactly what his macro was set to but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to figure out. No real benefits other then for fun. I can see peoples concern with macros. I think Blizzard may have made a mistake allowing the SC2 name to be put on a product that supports macros. Because once the dust settles I predict money will trump all and some form of macros will be allowed. But I don't think any of the hard core players have anything to worry about. I have played around with macros and they are hardly game breaking. If they were you would already see half the ladder exploiting it. | ||
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Filter
Canada620 Posts
That's all I really care about, I don't care if I lost to twins playing with each other at the same time if I can figure out why I lost I can improve my game, and my tools are the generic everyday keyboards and mice. I can walk into a lan or play at a buddies house and be the same skill level, I can keep getting better and working on making my macro tight while he can't. | ||
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Boxxi
Sweden5 Posts
I do think that macros are officially not allowed by Blizzard but that you seldom if ever will get caught and/or banned for doing it. Just like you probably won't get caught for littering 99% of the time as energy and tax-payer money is better spent elsewhere. That doesn't make it legal to do it. | ||
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HavokTheorem
New Zealand250 Posts
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chessiecat
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On December 28 2010 10:29 chessiecat wrote: I've recently gotten a Spectre Mouse and a Marauder keyboard and found that they have some truly amazing potential for bullshit on the macro side of things. Currently when I'm set to my Zerg profile, I can roll the mouse-wheel forward while playing with Infestors to expend all of their energy on Infested Terrans in less than a second. It's a huge MASS of beachballs dropping all at once. Very ugly. I've also got my Psi-storm and Guardian shield set to one click casting and for Zerg I can inject larvae on all of my Hatcheries with two button clicks. EMP's are single click and I have a macro set to super-quickly (when I have a group of marines, marauders, and ghosts selected) switch to the Marines and stim instantly (less than one millisecond) then switch back to the Ghosts. Altogether I don't get to see most of these kinds of things used very often. I'm curious as to what your macros are? None of these seem particularly game breaking. They just simplify things significantly. Certainly Zerg macro is a lot easier with them. I have yet to make Blink micro work with a macro but meh, I'll figure it out eventually. What macro's do you usually set and what keyboard do you use to set them? _____________ There's been a little controversy on this thread as to whether these products are likely to get you banned and what limits are on current macro set-ups. Obviously this system doesn't allow for some of the more complex pieces of macro. I can't make it consistently Blink, it won't operate most race macro-mechanics with any reasonable reliability (The Zerg have this particular thing the worst. If you have an un-even number of Queens, they tend to attempt to walk to the other side of the map rather than injecting) and while it does switch units very quickly and apply buffs like guardian shield, it tends to fail miserably if your unit composition isn't precisely what it was when the macro was set. At best, your units get their buff but get slightly distracted in battle. At worst, they wander headlong into an enemy composition like a line of pointy ducklings. Has anyone seen Blizzard issue some proclamation on this? None because it is cheating. See email above. | ||
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
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