EPTWhat are your keyboard/mouse Macros? - Page 12
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chessiecat
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BadWolf0
United States300 Posts
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png note he directly says you cannot assign more then one action per keypress. | ||
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Naftali
United States54 Posts
On December 31 2010 01:05 eatenbyagrue wrote: To answer the OP, here is how I use my macros. I have not yet utilized them for spellcasting, but I just use them to help me build units. I have a Belkin n52 that I sit next to my keyboard. I use the keyboard to actually play, and leave the Belkin just for the macros. When I want to macro up units, I slide my hand over to the Belkin. There are alot of buttons there, so I have them configured to build various quantities of units quickly, and I use different buttons for whether it is early game or mid/late. The nice thing is with the Belkin, you can program a delay in ms, so you can make it seem like you are actually pressing the keys (if you want to put in a 50ms delay, you can!) I have the following macros: 0 (orbital command), s, tab, s - this is to select my orbital command/cc group and queue up 2 SCVs 7 (barracks) a, a - select barracks and queue up 2 marines 7 (barracks) a, a, a, a, d, d - select barracks and queue up 4 marines and 2 marauders. This is useful when you have say, 4 barracks with 2 labs and 2 reactors, which happens often in my game. I will not go into further details, as you get the idea, but I have similar various setups for my factories and starports. I even have one super duper macro key for building SCVs, marines/marauders, tanks, and vikings and medivacs all in one key. So that is like 20 keystrokes on one key. I use that in late game if I let my money get too high. I think macros are nice in that they let low APM people like me have a chance against really high APM players. I used to be stuck in silver, but now have advanced through gold into platinum, and I have to say I really like using macros as they help me level the playing field against faster players. Seriously? If you think there's any way to call this anything but blatant cheating, then please give me whatever you're smoking. Cheating!= leveling the playing field. | ||
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chessiecat
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JBrown08
Canada306 Posts
On December 31 2010 02:11 chessiecat wrote: Heck, until a Blue on the Starcraft Forums issues a statement...I've got my answers. Frankly, if they ban me, fine. I'll show them the e-mail, got unbanned, and then relearn the non-macro way. If they don't ban me then wow, awesome, I can use macro's. Have fun staying in bronze! Learning to play the wrong way is not going to help you improve. If you are fine with that, then macros were designed for people like you. If you actually want to be challenged and improve, then stop cheating and learn how to play correctly. | ||
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RageQuitter
United States84 Posts
You cannot use any third-party programs.According to the OP, he bought blizzard merchandise therefore it is not third-party. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On December 31 2010 02:45 RageQuitter wrote: The problem with all you idiots is that you can't read. You cannot use any third-party programs.According to the OP, he bought blizzard merchandise therefore it is not third-party. It's Razer's. Not Blizzard's. | ||
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troynt
United States22 Posts
The person JBrown08 is referring to is in Bronze, I take back this comment. ** edit ** @JBrown08 How does Macros = Bronze? Who are you to tell people the "right way" to play? Everyone plays differently, get over it. Chessiecat went out of his way to email blizz, and you troll him. It is almost 2011, people should be able to rebind keys in all games. Not all all hands are shaped the same and not all keyboards are shaped the same, don't be so naive. What would you think of someone who repeats a mindless task over and over and doesn't make it more efficient? | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On December 31 2010 02:55 troynt wrote: @JBrown08 How does Macros = Bronze? Who are you to tell people the "right way" to play? Everyone plays differently, get over it. Chessiecat went out of his way to email blizz, and you troll him. It is almost 2011, people should be able to rebind keys in all games. Not all all hands are shaped the same and not all keyboards are shaped the same, don't be so naive. What would you think of someone who repeats a mindless task over and over and doesn't make it more efficient? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179118 We're not talking about custom hotkeys, as no one has a problem with those. They'll be out in the next patch. You still have to hit each key to do one action. Macros can do tons of actions with one button press. | ||
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troynt
United States22 Posts
e.g. 5, s, d - to build a drone . My opinion, as long as delays/loops are not used in the macro, it isn't "botting"/cheating. | ||
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Bitters
Canada303 Posts
just because you feel something is "mechanical" or boring doesn't mean its not part of the game design and shouldn't be played. people use the exact same argument as you for other bots/cheats... "oh, leveling/honor grinding/gathering is boring in WoW, so I'll just bot a few levels/points/materials and get to the real of game (whatever)" "oh, aiming is boring and too hard in shooters, so I'll use an aim-bot to get to the REAL game of just killing people" "oh, i only like doing boss kills and pvp in diablo 2, so i'll use a pindlebot to farm gear since i don't like farming" or even more related ... "scouting is a boring part of starcraft, ill just use a maphack so i can get to the real game of army attacks" sorry, but just because you don't like the macro side of the game or feel its not the main part of the game, doesn't make cheating acceptable. at the end of it all, you're cheating by doing something your opponent cannot simply because you purchased a third party good or service. you're trying to eliminate an aspect of the game because you deem it unimportant. | ||
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JBrown08
Canada306 Posts
On December 31 2010 02:55 troynt wrote: @JBrown08 How does Macros = Bronze? Who are you to tell people the "right way" to play? Everyone plays differently, get over it. Chessiecat went out of his way to email blizz, and you troll him. It is almost 2011, people should be able to rebind keys in all games. Not all all hands are shaped the same and not all keyboards are shaped the same, don't be so naive. What would you think of someone who repeats a mindless task over and over and doesn't make it more efficient? Well seeing as he created a thread named "The Fear of Bronze" I might be just going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure my statement was accurate. Now with that said, you would do well to read the TeamLiquid Commandments in regards to calling someone a troll. I was very serious when I said that using macro's is something that will not help him get out of bronze. The want to cheat the system and not actually improve is a much deeper ingrained problem. A macro is cheating, you are using computer software to play a portion of the game for you. If you cannot understand this, then there really isn't much of a debate. Oh and go check out the automated ban list and see incontrol's comment when he banned someone in this thread. (Hint Hint: he called it cheating, what a shocker). You don't come to a competitive StarCraft site and look for cheats, this site must just not be for you people. Maybe BNet is a more appropriate place. | ||
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troynt
United States22 Posts
@Bitters I said mindless (without thought), I didn't say boring. All the examples you listed are hacks and or using macros with time delays or looping -- obviously cheating. I'm referring to simple macros, ones that do not factor in time or looping. e.g. build a drone F1 -> Presses 5, s, d If you add unnecessary keystrokes to the game the game becomes less about strategy and more about keyboarding speed. We shouldn't be limited by the speed of our hands on the keyboard, only by our strategies. | ||
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Aven
Netherlands392 Posts
would this count as a macro and be illegal in tournaments? | ||
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Naftali
United States54 Posts
On December 31 2010 04:59 troynt wrote: If you add unnecessary keystrokes to the game the game becomes less about strategy and more about keyboarding speed. We shouldn't be limited by the speed of our hands on the keyboard, only by our strategies. Except that's the way RTS games are designed. Ever since Dune 2 (and even to some degree its predecessors) reaction-speed and ability to quickly tell the computer what to do has been one of the things tested by this genre of games. Hence the "RT" in "real-time strategy". There are plenty of quality games where that's not one of the things that matters. The fact is that the designers put in a certain amount of wrestling with the interface on purpose. They made many things easier in SC2 compared to Brood War, but they didn't do all the things they could have. This was on purpose. You can argue about whether the game and the UI should be more or less automated, but it is NOT up to you to make the final call and change something. That is solely the province of Blizzard Entertainment. Automating actions and breaking the 1 keypress = 1 action rule is giving yourself an advantage that someone who is playing the game solely with the UI that is presented in the game client does not have. It's cheating. Certain things have been explicitly approved, namely rebinding keys, but macros of the kind in the OP and several other posts in this thread are not approved. | ||
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chessiecat
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
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BadWolf0
United States300 Posts
Someone posted this on the first page and the OP did not actually read it. The poster was banned for using a regular macro keyboard, then sent a question at blizzard about the if he was using the blizzard keyboard. The blizzard employee directly stated that even with the blizzard keyboard more then one key assigned to one key was bannable. Guess what guys, you don't like the games design? design your own or play it the way its made! Blizzard implemented alot of things in this game that BW people consider to be on the scale of cheating/noob (MBS, queueing) but it was THEIR decision. If you don't like something in the game, tough. You personally changing the game is you playing by your own rules, also known as cheating. If your managing to do it and not get banned (because Razer hardware does the multiple keys from the hardware making it hard to detect.) go you but don't post about it here. edit: also SC2 is not supposed to be a purely cerebral game. People talk like the challenging interface is some bug getting in the way of an ideal game where its purely like chess with troops and the better strategist wins. no! strategy is important but RTS games involve a speed/mechanical skill element too. Just because you suck at that doesn't mean the game sucks or is buggy. | ||
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
I believe in a fairly benevolent Blizzard. I don't think they'd do that. I think they're experimenting with an idea, and some of us here are oaks, breaking with the winds of change. Others here are willows, moving with the changes, waiting to see what happens next. | ||
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BadWolf0
United States300 Posts
Secondly, yeah there have been multiple posts from different blizzard reps on the subject which leads me to think it is probably being debated at blizzard as well/ they don't have a clearly worded policy on it. Another problem is that Blizzard's keyboard is made by Razer, which makes it's macros undetectable as compared to a software based macro system (feel free to correct if Im wrong.) My original opinion still stands though. I don't care about 3rd party/blizz issues, I just don't think it makes sense to go "I don't like the interface, I can script things," regardless of how effective it is or how talented the people using it are. I think they need to make a clear statement regarding their definition of bots/maphacks because my opinion is still that any program/hardware altering the interface externally ( multiple keypresses -> one ) really does make the game unfair. All that said, I actually agree with you on the final point. Blizzard is a great company and I'm sure at some point in their busy schedule (not being sarcastic their developing multiple games and trying to manage a fledgling online community with huge expectations on them) they'll come out with a clearer stated opinion. If they say its alright then it's alright and scripting/using scripts is a valid part of the skill-set of starcraft 2, if not then "extra mouse clicks" is part of the skill set and one of us will have to deal with it  My real irritation is only with the sentiment of "Hey this is hard and I don't see the point, I should change it" instead of actually learning to play the game they are designing. Thats just how alot of it strikes me but hey I'm just some random kid... so best of luck and if you are gonna use macros make sure their hardware based c shitty software macros==banhammer! | ||
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