The thing is, why the hell did blizzard get those friggin hardware on the marcet with a functuin in the ad that is forbidden?
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Pharaun
Germany150 Posts
The thing is, why the hell did blizzard get those friggin hardware on the marcet with a functuin in the ad that is forbidden? | ||
chessiecat
82 Posts
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Pharaun
Germany150 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:23 chessiecat wrote: and if Blizzard is letting people use macro's then...it's part of the game. Suck it up buttercup. Thats the point: they don't! | ||
AScenT
United States13 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:20 chessiecat wrote: I don't know what they're defining as botting here. I honestly don't. I've sent another e-mail for clarification and will post that as soon as I get a response. Since the e-mail I sent was more complete in it's contents, hopefully we'll get a better reply. Considering how completely screwed up this situation is, I expect a blue to show up on the main forums to give us an answer with a fair degree of 'soon as Hell'. There is only one definition of botting here. Performing automated game actions. The only difference between making one mouse click and having a program play the entire game for you and clicking one key to perform 2+ actions is the number of actions performed. If it is any more than 1:1 then you are botting. | ||
chessiecat
82 Posts
So far I've gotten two dead thread links on forums other than Blizzard's, a customer service reply from Blizzard saying it's fine and another which doesn't include the original questions posed to the representative. | ||
AScenT
United States13 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:29 chessiecat wrote: Is that your opinion or is that Blizzard's official stance? If it is Blizzard's official stance then I want you to point me directly to the link on their website where it says that explicitly. You keep saying that. They said it in your own post. But the best thing to remember is that as long as you aren't changing the games programming or botting then you should be fine. If you look up botting, its performing automated game actions. There is no other definition. At this point I see you will not change your mind until it comes directly from blizzard, so I will await the reply you post. Edited for typos. | ||
solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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troynt
United States22 Posts
Frankly, I don't buy not allowing macros. Technology has made macros/remapping keys readily available. Everyone has access to this, there is no unfair advantage gained if everyone has access to the same stuff. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to remap keys or build simple macros. What is a simple macro? To me, it means anything that doesn't factor in time. So if I press one button it can type glhf gg .... however it can't do some action, wait a bit, do another action -- this would be similar to botting. Botting != Remapping Keys OR simple macros The following is a quick sample of a macro, using Autohotkey, one may want to use. Health Bar Toggler + Show Spoiler + #SingleInstance force #MaxThreadsPerHotkey 1 showing_health_bars := false LWin up:: if not showing_health_bars { Send, {\ down} Send, {[ down} Send, {] down} showing_health_bars := true } else { Send, {\ up} Send, {[ up} Send, {] up} showing_health_bars := false } | ||
Bitters
Canada303 Posts
if you don't like the idea that the game requires you to focus on both micro and macro actions, then play something turn-based. | ||
holynorth
United States590 Posts
On December 29 2010 14:30 roadrunner343 wrote: For about the fourth time this thread: Licensing a freaking name doesn't make it a "Blizzard" product. The Razer Marauder is no more a Blizzard product than the Razer Lycosa... or the Logitech G15 for that matter. All three of them are third party products. Licensing a name doesn't mean it's a Blizzard product. I suppose Blizzard makes "official" mouse pads too, not steel series... right? Somebody shoot me now, the stupidity is overwhelming. I'd expect to have to explain it once, but I've done it what... 3, 4 times now? And I've seen other people explain the same thing. And for everyone of our replies, there's another 3-4 idiots saying the same, incorrect horse crap about the Marauder being an "Official Blizzard Product." I fell in love with the TL forums because this kind of stupidity didn't exist... could you return the the battlenet forums please? EDIT: ROFL... advertising something on your website makes it YOUR product? Google owns about 90% of the internet... hell, I saw this gear advertised on amazon... it must be an OFFICIAL (Caps for you Chessicat) Amazon product then. Well, for the Xth time, yes it does. Once upon a time Google ads had a bunch of Buy WoW Gold on the Official WoW forums. Of course it was quickly taken and down and it was changed to something else. However, any users that were banned for buying gold shortly after that, could simply say they clicked the link on the WoW forum. Guess what happened? Blizzard unbanned them. Any person with a brain could argue that they were endorsing it, despite what it says in the ToS. (This same person could argue that 1% of all users even read the ToS, and therefore the person assumed buying gold would be ok). The same applies with the Spectre/Marauder. Blizzard cannot and will not ban you for this. They will more than likely make a public statement claiming they will, but it will only be a threat. They fucked up by endorsing the razer products and supporting them on their own page. Besides, you won't get caught if the products work like the Black WIdow anyways. | ||
AScenT
United States13 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:44 troynt wrote: The game is a real time STRATEGY game. Anything that gets in the way of strategy makes the game less about strategy and thus less fun. Frankly, I don't buy not allowing macros. Technology has made macros/remapping keys readily available. Everyone has access to this, there is no unfair advantage gained if everyone has access to the same stuff. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to remap keys or build simple macros. What is a simple macro? To me, it means anything that doesn't factor in time. So if I press one button it can type glhf gg .... however it can't do some action, wait a bit, do another action -- this would be similar to botting. Botting != Remapping Keys OR simple macros The following is a quick sample of a macro, using Autohotkey, one may want to use. Health Bar Toggler + Show Spoiler + #SingleInstance force #MaxThreadsPerHotkey 1 showing_health_bars := false LWin up:: if not showing_health_bars { Send, {\ down} Send, {[ down} Send, {] down} showing_health_bars := true } else { Send, {\ up} Send, {[ up} Send, {] up} showing_health_bars := false } You are correct, botting is not remapping hotkeys or macros like your example. I think the confusion spawns in the fact that bots ARE macros, but macros are not necessarily bots. The macro you described does not automate game actions for you. Automating larvae inject on the other hand does, therefore is a bot. | ||
chessiecat
82 Posts
I've been screwing with them and frankly...the answer is not much. Sad, but there it is. They simplify a few button presses but you're still required to make EVERY basic decision from 'Do I drone now or do I make units now?' to 'Should I wall this part of my base? Am I likely to be attacked from this direction or that direction? yourself. You can't automate the game using them. The auto-inject macro DOES NOT WORK. It simulates the actions without actually performing them reliably and the heart of a macro is that it improves the game. Once you're on three bases, you'll spend half your time off chasing Queens who've caught a case of the derp from your macro set-up and gone for a wander. They're not going to make a Gold level player platinum or even a Bronze level player Silver. They will give you a tiny in basic command execution but the more complex the macro the more frequently they fail. Anything over 1 second long is going to fail about half the time. Anything longer than that is going to fail constantly. The chaotic nature of the game makes your input as a player (your knowledge of the game and plan) far more essential than your speed and all the macro's do is simplify some things and put them closer at hand. In many circumstances the macro's will make things worse. Brushing a macro with the wrong units selected can have disastrous consequences. You can lose an entire game to one over-complicated macro going off. You have to be VERY selective with them and they must be simple to get any help from them. | ||
holynorth
United States590 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:58 chessiecat wrote: I gotta say, until you've actually tried it it's tough to say how much these macro's actually effect the game itself. I've been screwing with them and frankly...the answer is not much. Sad, but there it is. They simplify a few button presses but you're still required to make EVERY basic decision from 'Do I drone now or do I make units now?' to 'Should I wall this part of my base? Am I likely to be attacked from this direction or that direction? yourself. You can't automate the game using them. They're not going to make a Gold level player platinum or even a Bronze level player Silver. They will give you a tiny in basic command execution but the more complex the macro the more frequently they fail. Anything over 1 second long is going to fail about half the time. Anything longer than that is going to fail constantly. The chaotic nature of the game makes your input far more essential than your speed and all the macro's do is simplify some things and put them closer at hand. But the problem is when top players get ahold of this. It would make a world of difference if a Zerg player could quickly inject 4-5 bases, allowing them to focus on other things. | ||
troynt
United States22 Posts
A) Pressing f1 to builds a drone. <= Macro action B) Pressing 5, s, d builds a drone. <= Macro Action ( bad user experience, too many clicks ) They are both macro actions, they both require the same mental abilities. B takes 2 more keypresses. Will those 2 keypresses change the outcome of the game? Answer: It should not. If it does, we should to re-evaluate the game, as it shouldn't be about spamming drones. | ||
AScenT
United States13 Posts
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limonovich
England226 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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roadrunner343
148 Posts
On December 30 2010 05:52 holynorth wrote: Well, for the Xth time, yes it does. Once upon a time Google ads had a bunch of Buy WoW Gold on the Official WoW forums. Of course it was quickly taken and down and it was changed to something else. However, any users that were banned for buying gold shortly after that, could simply say they clicked the link on the WoW forum. Guess what happened? Blizzard unbanned them. Any person with a brain could argue that they were endorsing it, despite what it says in the ToS. (This same person could argue that 1% of all users even read the ToS, and therefore the person assumed buying gold would be ok). The same applies with the Spectre/Marauder. Blizzard cannot and will not ban you for this. They will more than likely make a public statement claiming they will, but it will only be a threat. They fucked up by endorsing the razer products and supporting them on their own page. Besides, you won't get caught if the products work like the Black WIdow anyways. This is such a horrendously stupid post (Poster?) it's hilarious. Nothing in your post was remotely related to mine. You went on a tangent about nothing, and are still too stupid to realize: It's a Razer product, not a blizzard one. They licensed the name and artwork. That's it. | ||
gcoin
United States89 Posts
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chessiecat
82 Posts
ANYwhere in the Terms of Service or any Blizzard post by any Blizzard employee where this is laid out in explicit terms. | ||
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