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You're just being extremely ignorant, like all cheaters are. It's not cheating, because fighting the Starcraft II interface isn't a competitive E-sport.
Outsmarting your opponent IS.
If macros make your guys fight harder, your workers mine faster, and heals your units for free, then there is a problem.
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On December 29 2010 23:04 chessiecat wrote: Getting called names is getting a bit old, I've got to admit.
Reading shitty threads which you start is getting a bit old, I've got to admit.
In two weeks you have posted 37 times.
Most of them have been in your own threads.
In two weeks you have started 7 threads. They all have been answered multiple times and come with great discussion points such as, Dealing with The Early Ghost in PVT, 4-gate Forge Cannon Push?, Who is the Protoss Hero?, Effective Use of Stalker/Zealot?, Was Brood War as Cheese heavy as SC2?, Multi-Player Unit Tester?.
And lest I forget, the best of all. The Fear Of Bronze.
Play some games instead of thinking up terrible threads and openly acknowledging that you cheat and cannot advance leagues. This should alleviate the name calling. Frankly your posting is trash.
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I think I said pretty blatantly that I don't cheat. I think I also said I hadn't used any of these macro's on the ladders and was currently in the process of getting replies from Blizzard on the macro topic so I could post it to this thread.
I also searched the forums for the specific answers to each of those posts and in each of those threads I got new information on the subjects I was posting for.
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Well I found a bliz post that talks about the issue of hotkeys and basically he says they don't want to take action vs anyone for something so simple but they also ask people to wait for it to be added to sc2 before doing it.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/791409182?page=2
So imo switching hotkeys is currently frowned upon by blizzards but will most likely not get you banned unless you are doing it by edit files or stuff that would make them think something is up. However the reality is they could ban you for almost any reason they wanted to so you probably should not admit your using macros or anything else that doesn't come with starcraft 2 besides a monitor and keyboard.
Also to people who say it can't be detected imo I think you are wrong I believe blizzards has the right to scan your computer when you agree to the tos and that is to my knowledge how they detect most hacks with other bnet games. Obv you can avoid it or get around it but at that point imo your not a gamer anymore.
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It can be detected I think if you look for a super-consistent execution between certain moves. Even the most tip-top players can't execute a 5 millisecond switch between Templar and Sentries every time, hundreds of times.
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Also I wanted to say this... One of the reasons chess as a game has been so popular for so long is because it is a very fair game to play. If you asked me what makes chess fair I would say that it is the fact that the board never changed so both players will know exactly how to play and how the games going to play out in effect. If you think of starcraft2 as a chess like game then you will quickly understand how one player having a super fancy keyboard while the other player does not is not is like one player in chess having to play without being able to see one of his pawns or something. It creates an imbalance in the game board that could possibly favor one person. I personally want to be playing on the most basic keyboard and most basic monitor with no extra stuff helping me like a timer clock ect so I can improve my game play at a very basic level so that I do not have an advantage over my opponent via gear as it just seems more fair to me. However with that said starcraft2 is just a game and while some people make it become much more then just a game for the vast majority it is just for fun a way to cope with stress. So with that said I think it's a good thing if people are able to play the way they want to so I really don't care about people using extra stuff in games as it is just a game.
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On December 28 2010 11:40 Shikyo wrote: Oh, that changes everything. It would do so much good for the game if you could just press 4 and all your Queens spawn larvae on every single of your hatcheries. Why not just play on slowest speed, or make the game turn-based instead?
No macro could do that man...that is not how it works. I would definitly like to see more info on this issue tho..it doesnt make sense for blizzard to put their name all over the keyboard and ban people for using functions that are built into it
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On December 29 2010 13:43 Ir0nClad wrote:Here is Blizzard's stance on it.The sixth header states: Show nested quote +Exploitation and Client/Server Manipulation Policy This document details Blizzard Entertainment's stance on the use of third-party programs or utilities, bug exploitation, usage of user interface modifications, and client/server manipulation. The factor that links these various policies is that they are all considered "cheating" and our intent is to keep the playing field level for all players. The header is a link that points here, of which the first quote and the following paragraph are quite interesting to the "debate" in this thread: Show nested quote +Unapproved Third Party Software A third party program is any file or program that is not a part of the StarCraft II software, but is used to gain an advantage in the game, such as increasing your resource gathering rate or map visibility. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files. Any external applications that are used in conjunction with StarCraft II can cause quite a few unwanted side effects. Some of the major possible results of the use of third party programs can be instability of the game to the point that a player "crashes" from the game quite often. Unwanted anomalies have already been stated in this thread, such as the queens moving across the map. I don't see how this applies to drivers for your hardware. They do not increase your "resource gathering rate" or "map visibility," they also don't obtain any information from the game that is not normally available, nor do they "transmit or modify any of the game files."
Like I said earlier, until someone can link a post by blizzard saying "you are not allowed to use mouse/keyboard macros in starcraft" you should all keep you "OMG IT'S CHEATING" nonsense to yourselves. This is a very simple issue to resolve and it has nothing to do with opinion.
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Hi!
Well you're right it is very vague. It's best to use common sense. If it feels like cheating then it may be. But the best thing to remember is that as long as you aren't changing the games programming or botting then you should be fine. No map hacks, automated programs, or other program/game altering should be used and other than that you welcome to use the macros all you want.
Sincerely,
Judah H.
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment
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I got a Spectre Mouse and Marauder Keyboard for Christmas this year. The included software allows for the creation of very complex macro's. I would like to know exactly what sort of macro I am disallowed from creating under the terms of service. As it stands right now they are rather vague (or at least, I couldn't find a section pertaining to this particular issue.)
What is the current Blizzard policy on complex macros? (setting Zerg Hatcheries to inject with just a couple button presses or setting EMP to cast from one button on my mouse. That sort of thing.) None of these seem terribly game breaking but I figure I ought to ask before I proceed.
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Like I said earlier, until someone can link a post by blizzard saying "you are not allowed to use mouse/keyboard macros in starcraft" you should all keep you "OMG IT'S CHEATING" nonsense to yourselves. This is a very simple issue to resolve and it has nothing to do with opinion.
Hallo XXXX, vielen Dank für Ihre Email bezüglich StarCraft II. Jegliche Automatisierung der Spielabläufe verstößt gegen die Nutzungsbestimmungen des Battle.net und dürfen nicht benutzt werden. So lange Sie nur etwas spezielles im Chat schreiben möchten, wie "gg hf" ist es nicht verboten. Wir hoffen Ihnen hiermit weitergeholfen zu haben und wünschen Ihnen noch viel Spaß in StarCraft II. Sollten Sie weitere Fragen oder Anliegen haben, zögern Sie bitte nicht uns erneut zu kontaktieren. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Blizzard Entertainment Europe Stefan K. http://eu.blizzard.com/support
Basically the Support said, any automating of the Gameaction is forbidden. This email i got back in August, cause i wasn't sure if macros are ok on my gaming mouse, so I asked if its ok, to bin "a,click" to a button and a macro to say gl&hf. To write something in chat with a macro is ok.
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you should all keep you "OMG IT'S CHEATING" nonsense to yourselves.
I can't believe you seriously just typed that, really in all honesty look at that sentence from a completely unbiased view and just think of how retarded it is.
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That's...um...That's in German. I don't suppose you have that e-mail in English?
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i translated the core meaning: its forbidden
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On December 30 2010 04:58 chessiecat wrote: That's...um...That's in German. I don't suppose you have that e-mail in English?
A quick toss into google translate returns
Hi XXXX,
Thank you for your email regarding StarCraft II
Any automation of the game procedures violate the terms of Battle.net and may not be used. As long as you only want to write something special in the chat, like "gg hf" is not prohibited.
We hope to have helped with this and wish you much fun in Starcraft II
If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Yours sincerely,
Which is exactly what Pharaun explained it to be.
You also have ignored the posts explaining botting. I'll re-iterate it for you, botting is the use of a program to automate game actions for you. Therefore using a macro (which is done using a program in most cases) to automate the actions of larvae inject on all your hatcheries is botting. Remapping your hotkeys is a macro and is fine. We've given you countless examples on how botting is not allowed and even blizzard says it, so I don't understand how you don't see it anymore.
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So we have one message from Blizzard saying 'don't do it' and one saying ' sure, go ahead'
That's pretty messed up right there...and entirely consistent with Blizzard's recent customer service.
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maybe its only forbidden for germans
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I think we're facing a classic issue that Blizzard has had before. The customer service people have absolutely no idea what the official stance is and one err's on the side of caution and the other on the side of open play.
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On December 30 2010 05:12 chessiecat wrote: So we have one message from Blizzard saying 'don't do it' and one saying ' sure, go ahead'
That's pretty messed up right there...and entirely consistent with Blizzard's recent customer service.
Which one said go ahead? Yours states you may use macros, ie. remapping hotkeys. As I explained if you are automating the game (casting larvae inject on all your hatcheries with few buttons) you are botting. Even in your email they stated this is wrong. Try looking up botting, you'll see its exactly how I described.
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I don't know what they're defining as botting here. I honestly don't. I've sent another e-mail for clarification and will post that as soon as I get a response. Since the e-mail I sent was more complete in it's contents, hopefully we'll get a better reply. Considering how completely screwed up this situation is, I expect a blue to show up on the main forums to give us an answer with a fair degree of 'soon as Hell'.
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On December 30 2010 05:16 chessiecat wrote: I think we're facing a classic issue that Blizzard has had before. The customer service people have absolutely no idea what the official stance is and one err's on the side of caution and the other on the side of open play.
The only issue we are facing is that you and many others are cheaters but instead of just admitting it and continuing cheating you try and act as if it's not. I hope when hackers get caught hacking they don't say it's alright.
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