Please, can you stay on topic? If you want to argue if macros are illegal or not make another thread or something. I came here expecting to find some good macros I could use for my Spectre, not argue about if macros are illegal, which they are not.

I'm interested in what the OP meant by

EMP's are single click and I have a macro set to super-quickly (when I have a group of marines, marauders, and ghosts selected) switch to the Marines and stim instantly (less than one millisecond) then switch back to the Ghosts.

Care to elaborate? Sounds interesting.

Hubris

United States113 Posts

December 29 2010 04:38 GMT

#142

For all this whining about it being wrong or cheating I STILL haven't seen a direct quote from Blizzard or their ToS showing that it is.

Keldrath

United States449 Posts

December 29 2010 04:40 GMT

#143

On December 29 2010 13:38 Hubris wrote:
For all this whining about it being wrong or cheating I STILL haven't seen a direct quote from Blizzard or their ToS showing that it is.

On October 02 2010 07:07 JinDesu wrote:
The 1:1 rule comes from where if you map 2 or more actions to 1 key, you have an advantage over someone who cannot do 2 actions on one key. This is directly against the EULA bit where it disallows advantages provided by hacking or third party programs:

"A "hack" or "third party" program is any program made and distributed by someone other than Blizzard Entertainment, that is used to modify, cheat, or alter Blizzard Entertainment games. These may include, but are not limited to:

- Programs that enhance players unnaturally
- Programs that modify units
- Programs that cause other players to disconnect from the game servers, or cause server/game crashes"

Ir0nClad

United States27 Posts

December 29 2010 04:43 GMT

#144

Here is Blizzard's stance on it.

The sixth header states:

Exploitation and Client/Server Manipulation Policy
This document details Blizzard Entertainment's stance on the use of third-party programs or utilities, bug exploitation, usage of user interface modifications, and client/server manipulation. The factor that links these various policies is that they are all considered "cheating" and our intent is to keep the playing field level for all players.

The header is a link that points here, of which the first quote and the following paragraph are quite interesting to the "debate" in this thread:

Unapproved Third Party Software
A third party program is any file or program that is not a part of the StarCraft II software, but is used to gain an advantage in the game, such as increasing your resource gathering rate or map visibility. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files. Any external applications that are used in conjunction with StarCraft II can cause quite a few unwanted side effects. Some of the major possible results of the use of third party programs can be instability of the game to the point that a player "crashes" from the game quite often.

Unwanted anomalies have already been stated in this thread, such as the queens moving across the map.

Trion

Canada291 Posts

December 29 2010 04:44 GMT

#145

On December 29 2010 13:40 Keldrath wrote:

Show nested quote +

A "hack" or "third party" program is any program made and distributed by someone other than Blizzard Entertainment

It says right on it, "Licensed Blizzard Product".

Ir0nClad

United States27 Posts

December 29 2010 04:45 GMT

#146

Oh, the link is summed up with:

While certain actions may not bother you, consider the fact that these same actions may be perceived in a completely different manner by those around you.

Trion

Canada291 Posts

December 29 2010 04:47 GMT

#147

Unapproved Third Party Software
A third party program is any file or program that is not a part of the StarCraft II software, but is used to gain an advantage in the game, such as increasing your resource gathering rate or map visibility. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files. Any external applications that are used in conjunction with StarCraft II can cause quite a few unwanted side effects. Some of the major possible results of the use of third party programs can be instability of the game to the point that a player "crashes" from the game quite often.

Looks like a blizzard product to me. Why would it be Unapproved Third Party Software?

Keldrath

United States449 Posts

December 29 2010 05:04 GMT

#148

On December 29 2010 13:47 Trion wrote:

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Looks like a blizzard product to me. Why would it be Unapproved Third Party Software?

its not a blizzard product. typically its a razer or steelseries product but im not sure exactly which product you are speaking of. im guessing probably the razer spectre/marauder

chessiecat

82 Posts

December 29 2010 05:13 GMT

#149

It is a Blizzard product. It's advertised on their website, it has 'Blizzard' on the packaging, on the software, on the product itself, on the sale's page, and Blizzard contributed to the integration of the alarm system and the APM system with StarCraft 2 specifically.

So please, tell us how it's not a Blizzard product. Maybe if you say it louder it'll help. Try Capslock.

gautamvirk86

India55 Posts

December 29 2010 05:19 GMT

#150

Well IMO, macro keys won't get you far, keep in mind that since macro keyboard means MORE KEYS added on the side of the key board. This would put you in a disadvantage because you wont be able to move back and forth between hot keys+macro keys, compared to the player who doesn't use macro keys and rely's on PURE HOTKEY LOVE because he will simply have more practice in using all his hotkeys too often.

Again MACRO keys will put in a disadvantage in the long run because you will be missing the key features of the game to help you grow and be better at this game.

roadrunner343

148 Posts

December 29 2010 05:30 GMT

#151

For about the fourth time this thread: Licensing a freaking name doesn't make it a "Blizzard" product.

The Razer Marauder is no more a Blizzard product than the Razer Lycosa... or the Logitech G15 for that matter. All three of them are third party products. Licensing a name doesn't mean it's a Blizzard product.

I suppose Blizzard makes "official" mouse pads too, not steel series... right? Somebody shoot me now, the stupidity is overwhelming. I'd expect to have to explain it once, but I've done it what... 3, 4 times now? And I've seen other people explain the same thing. And for everyone of our replies, there's another 3-4 idiots saying the same, incorrect horse crap about the Marauder being an "Official Blizzard Product."

I fell in love with the TL forums because this kind of stupidity didn't exist... could you return the the battlenet forums please?

EDIT: ROFL... advertising something on your website makes it YOUR product? Google owns about 90% of the internet... hell, I saw this gear advertised on amazon... it must be an OFFICIAL (Caps for you Chessicat) Amazon product then.

FiWiFaKi

Canada9859 Posts

December 29 2010 05:39 GMT

#152

I personally don't think you'd get banned for using macro keys. Maybe they would give you a warning... But they wouldn't ban fellow customers for something that 99.9% of people don't read.

I mean sure, don't cheat or hack, that's pretty straight forward and common sense, I can understand a ban for that, but you buy a new mouse, why wouldn't you use macro keys. Anyways on topic, I have a Razer Deathadder, and it has two macro keys, I was really trying to put them into use, but there really wasn't any use for them as protoss. With that said, I don't mind not using the macro keys, it's not a big deal, afterall, SC2 is a RTS, make macro as easy you want for yourself, you'll still lose in the strategy and micro part of the game.

chessiecat

82 Posts

December 29 2010 05:42 GMT

#153

I'm going to get a case of the giggles if I get to post a reply in this thread in three days that is Blizzard saying 'Yeah, sure, use the macro's. Just don't use bots'.

I've got another question. If all of those things don't make this an official Blizzard product...what is required for it to be an official Blizzard product?

Phenny

Australia1435 Posts

December 29 2010 05:47 GMT

#154

I'm already giggling about how many people care about such a non issue.

ThatsNoMoon

Mexico344 Posts

December 29 2010 06:01 GMT

#155

1 key press = 1 action.
anything else is cheating in my book.

Keldrath

United States449 Posts

December 29 2010 06:23 GMT

#156

On December 29 2010 14:42 chessiecat wrote:
I'm going to get a case of the giggles if I get to post a reply in this thread in three days that is Blizzard saying 'Yeah, sure, use the macro's. Just don't use bots'.

I've got another question. If all of those things don't make this an official Blizzard product...what is required for it to be an official Blizzard product?

blizzard would have to have designed and made and distributed it. which is what Razer did.

chessiecat

82 Posts

December 29 2010 12:53 GMT

#157

They assisted with the design and they advertise it on a link from their website. That seems pretty straightforward.

NIIINO

Slovakia1320 Posts

December 29 2010 12:57 GMT

#158

I have Double click on mouse scroll down thats all

solidbebe

Netherlands4921 Posts

December 29 2010 13:29 GMT

#159

They assisted with the design and they advertise it on a link from their website. That seems pretty straightforward.

You're just being extremely ignorant, like all cheaters are. They don't want to KNOW ( caps, eh?) that they're cheating because then all their wins and accomplishments would suddenly mean shit.