EPTWhat are your keyboard/mouse Macros? - Page 4
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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pwnasaurus
Canada190 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:16 roadrunner343 wrote: Not that I endorse it, but I would think a macro for larvae inject would be simple, assuming you use the same hotkey for your queens everytime. Macro would look something like: 4, v, backspace, mouse button 1, and just have that loop however many times you want. Still, glad you decided cheating wasn't worth it =) EDIT: Would mapping keystrokes to mouse buttons be okay? Will that be introduced with 1.2? (I couldn't get the PTR to work for some reason) Exactly. You could say set the loop to run 8 times (you'll never have more bases than that in a game), and if you push the side button on your mouse you could inject every single base almost instantly. If that's not a huge advantage, I don't know what is. I would be WAY more on top my late game injects if it required that little focus and effort. | ||
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pxds
Brazil72 Posts
so, one keypress to inject larva on all your hatcheries is cheating, same for selecting building and creating units, heck, even selecting a unit and A moving. | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:19 LanTAs wrote: Macros will get you banned, basically using extra buttons like macro keys like the ones on the side of the G110, Black widow, and many other keys. the extra buttons on the mouse is probably considered cheating if you use it. Good luck, and dont get banned This is very much false. You can use extra buttons at the side of the keyboard or on the mouse provided that they only make 1 keystroke per press. For example you can set it up so that pressing your middle mouse button down actually executes a keypress of "e" instead of MOUSE3. This is not detectable, unfair, or illegal. If you bind it to something like 2-e,e,e-3-v, (you get the point ... anything that executes more than 1 keypress) then *that* is illegal and bannable. | ||
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Flexx
United States87 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:26 Reason.SC2 wrote: This is very much false. You can use extra buttons at the side of the keyboard or on the mouse provided that they only make 1 keystroke per press. For example you can set it up so that pressing your middle mouse button down actually executes a keypress of "e" instead of MOUSE3. This is not detectable, unfair, or illegal. If you bind it to something like 2-e,e,e-3-v, (you get the point ... anything that executes more than 1 keypress) then *that* is illegal and bannable. That may not be bannable.. but it's incredible lame.. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:33 Flexx wrote: That may not be bannable.. but it's incredible lame.. Lol? Like 99% of games allow players to change what keys they press to carry out a function, anyone can change it if they wish, it's about making the user comfortable. Anyone can do it and it doesn't give anyone an advantage. Entirely separate from the macro debate where multiple functions can be carried out with one button press. | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On December 28 2010 17:20 chessiecat wrote: That's the actual macro I tried to use and it doesn't operate all that well. The A.I. is stupid and Queens tend to walk to the other side of the map instead of injecting about half the time. You must not have the right number of queens hotkeyed, or not enough energy. I use these buttons (no macro) to inject and it works perfectly provided you have queens with energy near every hatch. I'm fairly sure you could completely automate this macro to inject every time in less than half a second without even thinking about it. You could even make the camera come back to where it was, to make the process even smoother. And yes it's cheating. | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On December 28 2010 14:00 Ummbeefy wrote: I'm failing to see the divide. This topic infuriates me. How do you not see this is cheating? I have to click two buttons. The game is designed this way. It takes more focus and effort. You click one button, same result. CHEATING. You will be banned for using macros. This has been discussed. The keyboard that says starcraft on it and has macro capability. The macros are cool. They can be used for many things that are not starcraft related. The fact is, Blizzard endorsed this product. Blizzard supported and licensed this product. You would expect, a user would be allowed to use this product on a Blizzard game. | ||
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lowlypawn
United States241 Posts
http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/spectre.php I will be a cold day in hell before Blizzard bans anyone for using the official SC2 mouse to it's full potential. Obviously the tournaments will probably not allow macros until peoples attitudes change. As you can tell probably I am firmly in the camp of allowing macros and that it's not cheating. I currently use a macro setup on my Razer Deathadder that allows me to larva inject with two mouse clicks per hatch (no keyboard). It's not really faster then a pro who has the macro technique down but for me it's very intuitive and easy to learn. I could adjust my macro and make it inject ALL the hatcheries but then you run a high risk of a queen going for a long walk. Also queens get sniped all the time and it only works when you have everything perfectly set up. So macros are not the "free lunch" everyone thinks they are. Other reasons I don't believe this is cheating is because virtually EVERY gaming mouse supports macros. I suspect the vast majority of SC2 players who take the game serious already possess a mouse that supports macros. So this is available to everyone. I believe within the next few years gaming mice will store the macros in the mice itself, thus no drivers will even be required, perfect for tournaments. I predict eventually the controversy will subside (within 5-10 years tops) and setting up and using macros on your mouse and keyboard will become the new norm. Every professional gamer will use some sort of programmable keyboard or mouse with his own custom macros. Think about it SC2 will be huge, mouse and keyboard makers already cater to gamers, if they can come out with more macro features, that will sell more mice and keyboards, which could mean more sponsorships, prize money ETC. It's a win win for everyone. I believe the SC2 community should embrace macros and really any input device that makes SC2 easier to play. Think about the anti macro argument for a minute... Basically it makes SC2 to easy... Or it takes away the skill required.... So using that logic maybe tournaments should make the game harder by disallowing "blank", maybe "grid hot keys" or maybe startup a "mouse only league" no hot-keys allowed at all. That would show some serious mouse skills right? Obviously I'm being ridiculous to make a point. Basically I believe creating artificial APM sinks is stupid IMHO. As anyone who has actually tried to figure out the best way to use macros, you soon realize the advantage is minor and very situational. There also carries some risk because if conditions are not just right the macro will actually fail and hurt you. This subject IMHO is not all that different from the MMS controversy, custom hot-keys or "playing random" being overpowered. Which all turned out to be non issues and mostly forgotten. I mean seriously, lets get with the times. If you can figure out a clever way to use a macro, more power to you. People have always used tools and technology to improve their competitive edge in all sports, look how racing technology has improved, traction control in racing is one example. For me I will continue to you my larva inject macro with NO fear of being banned, and believe me, if I'm wrong and do get banned by blizzard I'll be sure to let everyone here at TL know. | ||
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roadrunner343
148 Posts
On December 28 2010 19:04 holynorth wrote: The fact is, Blizzard endorsed this product. Blizzard supported and licensed this product. You would expect, a user would be allowed to use this product on a Blizzard game. Uhg. Once again, just because Blizzard licensed the starcraft name, logo, and artwork to Razer does not mean they had anything to do with the keyboard, nor does it mean they endorsed it, its software, or it's potentially illegal use. Razer designed the keyboard, mouse, and headset... they are the ones that added the macro functionality, not blizzard. It's like saying SteelSeries' SC2 themed mats were endorsed by blizzard. It doesn't make a difference if you use macros on your Lycosa, the Black widow, or a G15... macros are macros, and Razer and Logitech are both third parties. Artwork doesn't mean anything. | ||
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xJaCEx
155 Posts
Why do you want to use macros for game play? If you know some of your opponents may not have the ability to do this what is the fun in doing it? <-- Why do you think it is fair to use macros vs an opponent that isn't? If your opponent has an advantage over you via some product they bought would you consider it ok? I honestly don't really care that much because it's just a game for me however I do understand why these would never be allowed at a tournament play as stuff like this takes away from the idea that it is one man vs one man and instead one man vs one man plus. And I do totally agree that the only one it will hurt is the person who uses it as if they ever have to play without it they will get roflstomped most likely. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
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roadrunner343
148 Posts
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jamesmax
Canada72 Posts
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chessiecat
82 Posts
Blizzard released this game without Hot-key support and their initial hot-key setup is badly dated. | ||
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nightmare1993
Malaysia8 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 28 2010 11:24 chessiecat wrote: Blizzard hasn't made any sort of statement regarding this and their SC2 peripherals as of yet. I've been hunting around for one but to date I am just not seeing anything. If you can actually point me to someone on the Blizzard website and from Blizzard saying that these products are not for use with the game on ladder, it would be mightily appreciated. I'm going to edit the original post. Blizzard actually stated that you can't have 1 button doing more than one action. You can rebind whatever you like as long as 1 button isn't doing more than 1 action. Stop cheating. | ||
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Novachi
Denmark44 Posts
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branflakes14
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