TvP 3-1-2 build. - Page 10

On September 03 2010 08:58 kh4n wrote:
build in action! easiest 1100 victory I ever took - sweet sweet protoss tears:

On September 03 2010 11:59 LegionSC2 wrote:
Protoss here--- low/mid diamond (650ish whatever)--- I need to play 1s more often. I don't claim to be amazing-- just trying to understand how I would counter this.

Just some numbers:

I compared one of my anti-terran 3-gate-to-either-4gate-or-tech pressure builds as protoss vs your replays. I would send my first stalker and possibly 2nd stalker to shoot + run away repeatedly to cut down some of the troops on your ramp/buildings... to also scout and be annoying. I would keep harassing abusing shield regen if there's no concussive going up for sure.

1) by the time of your poke, you had 3 marauders/2marines1 hellion. (6:30ish?)
I had 6 stalkers, 2 zealots.
500/75 resources vs my 950/300. (but you had to make fact + lab and other buildings going up)

I'm pretty sure I would stomp that at that point though.

2) By the time of your typical winning attack (10m ish)
You had: 3 marauders, 3 hellions, 14 marines, 1 raven, 2 banshee. ( 1700/475ish resources)

I had 12 stalkers, 8 zealots, 2 sentries (2400/800ish resources)

Throw in the infrastructure you build and we're semi equal in resources. (chrono boost on probes makes up the rest) Without PDD I'm certain my forces would smash that. I'm not sure how it'd go with PDD. I'd have to experiment with someone.

In my area of diamond almost every terran favors MMM spam or early marine pressure. (hence my pressure build to survive until I either go robo/colo or charge/psi depending on what they're doing )

It's true-- I don't have observers--- as I've been relying on harassment for recon. So far I can usually tell if someone is massing infantry or going 1:1:1 with this harassment recon. I could drop 2 stalkers and a sentry for an observer and still, I think, stand up to that assault.

Then again I'm probably not as good as you are-- I'm just trying to think/calculate it out in my head to come up with a counter should I come across someone doing this.

What would you do vs a protoss that just harasses the hell out of you abusing shield regen doing your strat?

On September 03 2010 12:49 abominare wrote:
1 gateway into robo into 3-4 more gateways is a little rough on this. You stop the poke with forcefield on ramp.

You go heavy zealot and tech to chrage while adding more gateways havie 4-5 stalkers the rest zealots. You can't kite or chew through that many zealots and when charge is dun the marines are pretty uesless. Even if you take out the first set of stalkers he can warp tem in fast enough to counter your banshee production.

150 health per zealot and the hellions just dont do enough dps, with assuming 3 surviving marauders from the poke not enough slow to kite a heavy zealot force.


edit: you can technically skip the robo but its nice to see what you have coming you just need sentries to ff ramp. This build handles a lot of openings but unfortunately its hard to move out of and cedes a lot of midgame control if answered properly.

On September 03 2010 13:07 kaisr wrote:
Toss here played against this today got owned pretty hard. Owned first push with forcefield, opponent being careless so i caught some of his guys on the way back. Expanded, macroed up had chargelots, stalkers and like 2 immortals. Got raped by 2 ravens like 6 banshees and like some marines? Anyways question is should I just treat PDD like darkswarm and retreat?

On September 03 2010 13:07 kaisr wrote:
Toss here played against this today got owned pretty hard. Owned first push with forcefield, opponent being careless so i caught some of his guys on the way back. Expanded, macroed up had chargelots, stalkers and like 2 immortals. Got raped by 2 ravens like 6 banshees and like some marines? Anyways question is should I just treat PDD like darkswarm and retreat?

On September 03 2010 12:10 superbabosheki wrote:


6 Stalkers and two zealots vs my first poke? That would almost certainly mean you are going two gate really fast and my first SCV will obviously see that so I would have no intention of poking in. And yeah I do get my concussive upgrade in most of the replays. My replays vs the much more standard one gate robo into 3 gate robo has a good poke that will let me kill off a few units and scout out what's up.

It seems what you are trying to do is go mass gateway no robotics, and you are calculating army strength off resources which is the wrong way to go about things.

Instead of thinking about these funky situational timings/counters you really just have to find someone to practice with.

I have no clue what you are talking about as to abusing shield regen. After my 5 unit force there is a small timing window to do so which includes remaking a good amount of stalkers, sending them down to my base, moving up the ramp only to be forced back down, and then two banshees pop out.

On September 03 2010 16:43 Relapse916 wrote:
I used this strat a few times in low level leagues Mid Platinum and I cant get past a simple 4 gate push. Seems like I'm talking about the same thing as Legion, at 6 minutes when I go to move out he already has way too many stalkers and just pushes right into my base before the Raven comes out, how would you react to this or change anything up if u think ur opponent is just going to 4 gate and mass stalkers

On September 03 2010 23:55 .ImpacT. wrote:
Had my friend try this build on me (he's a 1200 D terran...) and against my 2gate robo 3gate charge, this was....horrible...

All I had to do was camp at my ramp and split your first army, which was easily demolished by 2 zealots 1 stalker and 1 sentry...I see no way for this to do ANY damage...

The 2 starports get scouted by the 2gate robo observer long before a raven is out, and if I see a terran massing marines I just go lolzealotsentry and 1a2a3f to win...

Sentries do FAR better vs air than people give credit for, 1 sentry has just .2 DPS less than a marine, and if I go 2gate robo 3gate charge, I'll have HTs out quickly if I see banshees for feedback (equals almost dead/softened up banshees that lose to my sentry focus fire.)

The ground army gets demolished by 1/2 immortals and chargelots as well as archons/storm, and since you tech so hard it allows me to do a 2robo 3gate fast expand completely safely. I'll be on 2 bases before you even start to expo since all my gas goes into tech/hts since I'm massing chargelot.

replays coming soon.

On September 04 2010 01:23 Shaithis wrote:
Also, you can't expect to be able to get a perfect split every game.

Sounds like your friend sent in the hellion first; maras first can focus down the stalker and sentry, then kite zealots while marine and hellion offer fire support from behind FF.

Also, you can bet that most toss players would have fewer zealots and more stalkers vs Terran; obviously you tailored your army to what you knew would walk up the ramp.