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Guide to Cannon Rushing - Page 6
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
nice guide | ||
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EccoEcco
United States61 Posts
I would just never waste my time being the cannon rusher. I try to have a build stem for each race match-up that I can perfect and work into transitions for the mid-game based on scouting, map and economic position. I am by no means a complete player yet, and any game I opened with cheese would be a waste of perfectly good practice time that I really want to use to get better. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
Telling your friends that you're gay. ... In all seriousness though, this is a pretty decent guide. I've never faced a cannon rusher in SC2, but hopefully I won't lose when I do =/ | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
stfu you get to spawn instant psi storms, cry more. Also good guide | ||
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Sly
Canada95 Posts
On August 12 2010 02:16 Blackalpha wrote: If you cannon rush your way into platinum/diamond, then yes, you are bad. this pretty much sums it up. once u hit good diamond players, u won't be having ur cannon rushes work very often. | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
Sometimes if you've had a hard set of macro games, you're thinking about a 35-40 minute gameplan, and you do your 9 probe scout see all he has is a pylon and a forge, and you start furiously scouting your base only to see a cannon already 3/4s of the way warped in, it's hard to recover from that. From the way you guys are talking here, no-one in diamond loses to cheese. I bet the win-rate of it is lower, 25% maybe, but it will almost certainly work, some of the time. | ||
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CowFu
United States35 Posts
On August 12 2010 05:25 rathe wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 12 2010 05:01 CowFu wrote: "There are two ways to win in chess... playing the board, and playing the opponent. This opening is designed for people who like to play the opponent. " this is CLEARLY playing the board, playing your opponent would be building to counter his build, or faking a build to do something else, your doing a pretty much set strategy, regardless of what your opponent does, this is not a reactionary/psychological build I couldn't really make sense of your reply. It seems like you have some of the concepts mixed up. Also, I'm also not sure you actually read the guide (with comprehension). "playing your opponent would be building to counter his build" This is exactly FALSE. If you counter what your opponent does, you are reacting what to happens on the battlefield. That is the very definition of playing the board. "faking a build to do something else" Now faking someone out is playing the opponent, clearly. "your doing a pretty much set strategy, regardless of what your opponent does" False. This is why I wonder if you read the guide. If you did, I think you missed the giant section in BOLD that says, "Question #3: What are THEY doing?" And it's "you're". "this is not a reactionary/psychological build" Yes, it is. Doubly so. First off, you need to react to what the opponent shows you. See above. Next, you force the opponent to react to what you are doing. See the rest of the guide. The entire game is based on reaction and forcing reactions. Is it psychological? Depends on the opponent, I guess. It definitely throws them out of their routine and messes up their smooth build. It often makes them emotional. They either get mad and want to try to CRUSH you, instead of playing calmly. Or, they take you lightly and underestimate the amount of preparation you put into the opening. When someone is playing emotionally or not thinking clearly, they are more prone to mistakes. So if that happens, then yes, it is psychological. If not, then I guess it isn't. Still, it makes for a more visceral experience. Isn't it sooooo satisfying to crush a cheeser? And soooo nerdrageous to lose to one? Overall, I think it makes the game more fun. So you can look at this guide as my little way of adding to the starcraft experience. Sorry for the grammatical mistake there, I'll never let it happen again O' Mighty One I might have been over simplistic when I said reactionary build for playing the opponent. I meant looking at what he's doing, how he's playing and countering his style not just his army composition. (ex. I see you micro your troops while just walking them and not during a fight, i know that you pay too much attention to your army and I'll backstab you during a fight at your base instead of a flank) I did read your guide, its how i claim to my conclusion. I didn't really have anything bad to say about your guide except for that one statement which seemed very out of place. I'm not quite sure you understand completely what it means to play the player vs. playing the board. Doing one build and only modifying it slightly without any deception or entrapment. I really can't consider it playing the player. This build might win very often, but it is clearly playing the game and not the player. Just because someone gets mad at a rush doesn't mean you're playing the opponent. | ||
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CrAzEdBaDgEr
Canada166 Posts
At least in diamond 2v2, cheesing happens in probably 50% of games (proxy reaper rush, 7-pool, cannon rush, or 2-gate proxy zealots). | ||
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ePhrygian
United States11 Posts
I have two accounts, one silver that just got upped to gold, and another that placed plat (after i had been playing a week and wanted to try placements again). I definitely saw all of this way more in the lower games. I play gold/silv if i want to counter cheese, plat if i want to actually play starcraft. My day always starts with reading TL and watching last night's day9 cast to know exactly what everyone and their grandmother will be trying today and i just counter that. ... but nerd rage? I used to respond to this the same way in wow. Gamers and Nerds, especially of the 70's-80's generations have always been hand in hand. I don't go down to the football field and smack the cock out of your mouth, don't come down to SC or WoW and think calling me a nerd is going to bother me. We've heard it all before. | ||
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Ceedub
5 Posts
On August 13 2010 01:37 ePhrygian wrote: I have two accounts You paid for the game twice just to have two names? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
but seriously, great well thought out guide, t-up | ||
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ePhrygian
United States11 Posts
On August 13 2010 01:42 Ceedub wrote: You paid for the game twice just to have two names? Naa, wasn't to have two names. I bought the extra CD-Key so that i could have an account where i really didn't care at all if i lost. I didn't play in beta and when i picked up SC on the 27th, i wanted to improve my ladder ranking. I was doing relatively recent so i picked up a 2nd cd key to play with the mentality that "on this account i just don't care if i lose". With not giving a shit in mind, I ended up winning all placement games, placing plat, and doing well. Lesson was also learned. As with alot of the people who played SC when it originally came out, I was 14 in 98. i'd hope alot of people who were 12 or 14 in '98 would be in a spot in 2010 that $60 wouldn't set them back at all. Given the amount I play this game, if it stopped me from spending $40 at the bar even just 2 nights it's saved me money. | ||
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rathe
United States109 Posts
On August 12 2010 22:52 Neverhood9 wrote: I'd like to take a moment and thank this thread for allowing me to get my first 10 win streak. Last night, EIGHT players tried to cannon rush me...all failing. In all fairness, one got close because I lost track of his drone and stupidly assumed he was just scouting and left. Although, I really don't see how this would be successful on any competent player. But maybe I'll learn soon enough  Good job man! Yeah, it seems that a few people are now crushing cannon rushers because they know the appropriate response. Hopefully this will force rushers to up their game and actually make situational decisions instead of blindly charging forward and screaming CANNNNONNN RUUUUUSH!!! | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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ePhrygian
United States11 Posts
Now, this is a beautiful example of why I love cannon rushes. I usually play a much more structured game, and i'll admit i nubbed things up alot. Any halfway decent toss should have crushed me there. But this guy invested so much of his econ into the cannon rush that there was nothing he could do. Between wasted econ and not knowing how to actually play starcraft, this guy got pwn'd when his cannon rush failed. Please post MORE "cheese" strategies so they can be over-saturated and countered until the kids who want a quick W get bored and go back to their consoles. | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
On August 12 2010 02:08 MICHELLE wrote: TL, did you really become this? A cannon rush strategy guide? What do you have against cannon rushing? it is a a SC2 strat and he deserves the spot in the SC2 strategy forum ._. If you don't want to read this type of article feel free to read more advanced thread in this forum.. however i think that cannon rushing really isn't a good cheese..i never use it..simply too risky.. | ||
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klauz619
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
Just happened to me on scrap station the guy rushed me and i simply floated to the island built some MMM and wrecked the guy. He couldn't get a void ray in time and only had 6-7 zealots when I dropped his main with 2 medivacs full of marines. Replay in case you want http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/55799-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station. | ||
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ePhrygian
United States11 Posts
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Asdkmoga
United States496 Posts
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