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On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though.
Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege.
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Not hard getting to diamond, it's hard to get past 500 points
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On July 19 2010 07:39 Markwerf wrote:
Just wanted to point at that it's nonsense it's faster to save up money for your raxes and then put down 5 at one time. Making them as you go is better simply because you get more rax time you could get the same number of marines while using a rax less then for example. Getting downtime on scv's would just be poor macro.
I completely agree with your logic, but apparently many have done tests and such isn't the case. I have yet to understand why, but I remember the higher ups talking about why it's better to wait and drop them all at once.
You do that in many builds in BW as well, including the deep six, etc.
On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege.
Wtf are you talking about, you didn't even see the rep, you have no idea if he "should have won" or not being dependent on the factor of him underestimating the marine count. Maybe he nearly held it off but failed because he built the Marauders? Jeez. No need to post like a complete ass.
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On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege.
You're probably right, but I did both. I went 1 rax/1 fac+reactor. Pumped hellions + built another fac + lab then went igniter tech to seige tech.
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a lot of people pulling this today maybe coz beta is going down, but every time a couple of marauders with reapers behind them pretty much straight up beats a huge ammount of marines
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On July 19 2010 08:19 ayababa wrote:
I think some people are underestimating how many marines u can have under the 6 minute mark.
although i dont use this build.. when i used to do marine all in's you can easily have 30-35 marines out by the 6 minute mark... this is ALOT of marines..
Im currently doing a +1 attack and shield push.. once both upgrades are done i move out with around 20 marines... its pretty hard to stop. Even if you do have enough roaches / stalkers.... reinforcments come in groups of 5. i transition into mech + expand.
I played against something exactly like this on a Desert Oasis match. (Haven't watched the replay to see if he got +1 att). The first marine push was pretty easy to hold off even with me doing a 1 gate -> stargate -> 2 voids -> 2nd gate + warpgates. It turned into a contain with me going chargelots + sentry. Busted the contain pretty easily due to guardian shield.
What killed me that game though was his transition into mass rine + 3-4 maraduers + 2-3 tank armies. My chargelots would all die at just about the time they were done cutting through the bio ball and I'd have to pull my sentries back from the tank fire. Even with me killing off his gold expo twice (he didn't take his natural), I wasn't able to win the game. Looking back on it, I probably would have done just fine if I had gotten even 1 phoenix.
I'm about a 300 diamond.
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So yeah it seems like overnight every T has decided this is their staple TvP build, and i just mass stalkers, and laugh at them. Thank so much to whoever pointed out stalker kiting/micro vs marines, really made this build a joke to own.
On a side note, when i mention 6 rax to a T player, I can immediately tell that they are going it, and if they don't, they will go for banshee cloak cheese since they know i will counter marines. Either way, by the time their banshees have cloak, i have killed most of their workers etc, and have cannons in my main.. then i just wait for robo to come up, get a few obs, and gg.
I find it a bit disturbing that, with how unbalanced TvP was anyway (leaning heavily in T favor after all the buffs) all of these plat/diamond level T are feeling the need to use these all in cheese builds. What ever happened to owning us poor P the normal way?
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On July 20 2010 01:34 Zyke wrote:
Ok, Kiburn, but that:
1. Sacrifices upgrades
2. Still puts 10 marines against a walled in 5 marines and a tank.
3. If Tanks and Vikings make it to Mid-game in tact, the harass on expansions is a tangible threat and MM doesn't get past tanks.
1) No, it doesn't...you're gonna be on 2 bases to his 1...you can make more units than him, AND still upgrade. And also, this build finishes the game in 12 minutes maximum-that's the longest TvT game I've had with this build because about 12 marines get to his base around the 5 minute mark (which already makes your #2 argument null-siege tanks and siege mode cannot be complete by then), and reinforcements of 6 marines are sent twice. I'm in mid-high Diamond (top 25) so I play against decent opponents, and most of the time, the marines cannot win the game.
However, it puts serious pressure on him and by the time he finishes the marines off, he will have a tank and a few marines, and by that time, my first wave of 6 marauders are already completed. I don't attack right away, but wait for the next wave of 6 twice (total of 18 marauders, and move in then. This wins the game most of the time. In the case that it doesn't, like I mentioned, just build turrets, which allows for upgrades at the ebay, and I've already had stim and conc shells for a while.
2) already addressed
3) In case you didn't know, marauders RAPE tanks, especially with stim. Marauders to somthing like 20 damage to tanks per shot which means 8 marauders one shot a tank, and I always have way more than 8 marauders. Stimmed marauders make quick work of tanks. Vikings? Vikings are a joke to marauders...even WORSE than tanks..plus...again, turrets in-base?
This is a really good opening...only thing I would change, is get one less rax in the beginning, cus I'm too low on minerals most of the time. but other than that, this build is really versatile.
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On July 20 2010 03:19 Opti wrote:
So yeah it seems like overnight every T has decided this is their staple TvP build, and i just mass stalkers, and laugh at them. Thank so much to whoever pointed out stalker kiting/micro vs marines, really made this build a joke to own.
On a side note, when i mention 6 rax to a T player, I can immediately tell that they are going it, and if they don't, they will go for banshee cloak cheese since they know i will counter marines. Either way, by the time their banshees have cloak, i have killed most of their workers etc, and have cannons in my main.. then i just wait for robo to come up, get a few obs, and gg.
I find it a bit disturbing that, with how unbalanced TvP was anyway (leaning heavily in T favor after all the buffs) all of these plat/diamond level T are feeling the need to use these all in cheese builds. What ever happened to owning us poor P the normal way?
First of all, T is not heavily favored over P...don't know who hit your head this morning....and second of all....you play against some uber noobs if they decide to do this against a Protoss player...its retarded...you don't even need stalkers, just keep building zealots and it'll rape this....that's just plain retarded.....play some better players.
The only way to mass marines against a Protoss player would be to go 2 rax reactor/tech lab marine/ghost combo. You need to have combat shields and stim though for that. Its good if you do that, but thats the only way I can think of to use mass marines effectively atm against Protoss.
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Not surprised to be honest. Marines are just fucking deadly after a certain point.
Dunno what it is, but they just seem a whole hell of a lot more powerful than their SC1 counterpart.
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On July 20 2010 03:18 kungfu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 08:19 ayababa wrote:
I think some people are underestimating how many marines u can have under the 6 minute mark.
although i dont use this build.. when i used to do marine all in's you can easily have 30-35 marines out by the 6 minute mark... this is ALOT of marines..
Im currently doing a +1 attack and shield push.. once both upgrades are done i move out with around 20 marines... its pretty hard to stop. Even if you do have enough roaches / stalkers.... reinforcments come in groups of 5. i transition into mech + expand.
I played against something exactly like this on a Desert Oasis match. (Haven't watched the replay to see if he got +1 att). The first marine push was pretty easy to hold off even with me doing a 1 gate -> stargate -> 2 voids -> 2nd gate + warpgates. It turned into a contain with me going chargelots + sentry. Busted the contain pretty easily due to guardian shield. What killed me that game though was his transition into mass rine + 3-4 maraduers + 2-3 tank armies. My chargelots would all die at just about the time they were done cutting through the bio ball and I'd have to pull my sentries back from the tank fire. Even with me killing off his gold expo twice (he didn't take his natural), I wasn't able to win the game. Looking back on it, I probably would have done just fine if I had gotten even 1 phoenix. I'm about a 1300 diamond.
No, you clearly aren't.
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On July 20 2010 03:34 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:18 kungfu wrote:On July 19 2010 08:19 ayababa wrote:
I think some people are underestimating how many marines u can have under the 6 minute mark.
although i dont use this build.. when i used to do marine all in's you can easily have 30-35 marines out by the 6 minute mark... this is ALOT of marines..
Im currently doing a +1 attack and shield push.. once both upgrades are done i move out with around 20 marines... its pretty hard to stop. Even if you do have enough roaches / stalkers.... reinforcments come in groups of 5. i transition into mech + expand.
I played against something exactly like this on a Desert Oasis match. (Haven't watched the replay to see if he got +1 att). The first marine push was pretty easy to hold off even with me doing a 1 gate -> stargate -> 2 voids -> 2nd gate + warpgates. It turned into a contain with me going chargelots + sentry. Busted the contain pretty easily due to guardian shield. What killed me that game though was his transition into mass rine + 3-4 maraduers + 2-3 tank armies. My chargelots would all die at just about the time they were done cutting through the bio ball and I'd have to pull my sentries back from the tank fire. Even with me killing off his gold expo twice (he didn't take his natural), I wasn't able to win the game. Looking back on it, I probably would have done just fine if I had gotten even 1 phoenix. I'm about a 1300 diamond. No, you clearly aren't.
Woopsies. Obviously I'm not 1300  , I play some chess so I think of these ranking systems in the 1000's. Fixed the my post.
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On July 20 2010 03:04 Dance.jhu wrote:
Not hard getting to diamond, it's hard to get past 500 points
Not with Terran  And not too hard with the other race's either.
Just watch some Day9Daily's to get some grip of the strategys around - with the time you will get the proper gamesense.
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On July 20 2010 03:12 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 07:39 Markwerf wrote:
Just wanted to point at that it's nonsense it's faster to save up money for your raxes and then put down 5 at one time. Making them as you go is better simply because you get more rax time you could get the same number of marines while using a rax less then for example. Getting downtime on scv's would just be poor macro. I completely agree with your logic, but apparently many have done tests and such isn't the case. I have yet to understand why, but I remember the higher ups talking about why it's better to wait and drop them all at once. You do that in many builds in BW as well, including the deep six, etc. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege. Wtf are you talking about, you didn't even see the rep, you have no idea if he "should have won" or not being dependent on the factor of him underestimating the marine count. Maybe he nearly held it off but failed because he built the Marauders? Jeez. No need to post like a complete ass.
Are you partaking of the Down's? There is no such thing as "underestimating the marine count," it's more like "produce enough units to be able to hold off the marine masser's 10 marine-per-minute production rate." There is nothing about tech-labbing hellion production that accomplishes this, and marauders were another bad idea.
On July 20 2010 03:16 bakin1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege. You're probably right, but I did both. I went 1 rax/1 fac+reactor. Pumped hellions + built another fac + lab then went igniter tech to seige tech.
If you scout a massive bio push or suspect it, it's always a good idea to throw down additional rax of your own, and to use all of your gas for factory > tech > tanks + instant siege mode upgrade. Hellions really aren't the best choice.
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On July 20 2010 04:11 Shaithis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:12 FabledIntegral wrote:On July 19 2010 07:39 Markwerf wrote:
Just wanted to point at that it's nonsense it's faster to save up money for your raxes and then put down 5 at one time. Making them as you go is better simply because you get more rax time you could get the same number of marines while using a rax less then for example. Getting downtime on scv's would just be poor macro. I completely agree with your logic, but apparently many have done tests and such isn't the case. I have yet to understand why, but I remember the higher ups talking about why it's better to wait and drop them all at once. You do that in many builds in BW as well, including the deep six, etc. On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege. Wtf are you talking about, you didn't even see the rep, you have no idea if he "should have won" or not being dependent on the factor of him underestimating the marine count. Maybe he nearly held it off but failed because he built the Marauders? Jeez. No need to post like a complete ass. Are you partaking of the Down's? There is no such thing as "underestimating the marine count," it's more like "produce enough units to be able to hold off the marine masser's 10 marine-per-minute production rate." There is nothing about tech-labbing hellion production that accomplishes this, and marauders were another bad idea. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:16 bakin1 wrote:On July 20 2010 03:01 Shaithis wrote:On July 20 2010 02:36 bakin1 wrote:
I just lost to this build last night. I play Terran. I did scout it and built hellions(w/igniter) via reactor + mauraders. I was over confident and the marine numbers were just too much especially since when I play vs terran, I don't wall off bc of seige tanks. I realize this was more late game and my oppoent didn't push early but still. If I played correctly, I should have won. More hellions + seige tech should own this. Obviously the most important thing is to scout it though. Er, igniter hellions are most definitely NOT a way to counter a marine rush. Hellions themselves are just barely a soft counter to marines in numbers, and igniter upgrade requires a tech lab (which results in you having half the hellions you would have had with a reactor for the push). No wonder you lost, and no, you should not have won. Next time, build your own marines and get fast siege. You're probably right, but I did both. I went 1 rax/1 fac+reactor. Pumped hellions + built another fac + lab then went igniter tech to seige tech. If you scout a massive bio push or suspect it, it's always a good idea to throw down additional rax of your own, and to use all of your gas for factory > tech > tanks + instant siege mode upgrade. Hellions really aren't the best choice.
Of course there is, otherwise he wouldn't have said he was overconfident. Keep being a jerk though in your posting, we'll see how long it takes you to get banned from TL. You have no replay to go off, you don't know his situation, you're just being an arrogant prick.
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On July 20 2010 03:25 Kiburn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 01:34 Zyke wrote:
Ok, Kiburn, but that:
1. Sacrifices upgrades
2. Still puts 10 marines against a walled in 5 marines and a tank.
3. If Tanks and Vikings make it to Mid-game in tact, the harass on expansions is a tangible threat and MM doesn't get past tanks. 1) No, it doesn't...you're gonna be on 2 bases to his 1...you can make more units than him, AND still upgrade. And also, this build finishes the game in 12 minutes maximum-that's the longest TvT game I've had with this build because about 12 marines get to his base around the 5 minute mark (which already makes your #2 argument null-siege tanks and siege mode cannot be complete by then), and reinforcements of 6 marines are sent twice. I'm in mid-high Diamond (top 25) so I play against decent opponents, and most of the time, the marines cannot win the game. However, it puts serious pressure on him and by the time he finishes the marines off, he will have a tank and a few marines, and by that time, my first wave of 6 marauders are already completed. I don't attack right away, but wait for the next wave of 6 twice (total of 18 marauders, and move in then. This wins the game most of the time. In the case that it doesn't, like I mentioned, just build turrets, which allows for upgrades at the ebay, and I've already had stim and conc shells for a while. 2) already addressed 3) In case you didn't know, marauders RAPE tanks, especially with stim. Marauders to somthing like 20 damage to tanks per shot which means 8 marauders one shot a tank, and I always have way more than 8 marauders. Stimmed marauders make quick work of tanks. Vikings? Vikings are a joke to marauders...even WORSE than tanks..plus...again, turrets in-base? This is a really good opening...only thing I would change, is get one less rax in the beginning, cus I'm too low on minerals most of the time. but other than that, this build is really versatile.
Wait, you want to sacrifice troops for an expand? That's at least 4 marauders. You can't have an all in push with an expansion. The money you spend on economy will make the push weak.
Now with strategy: An un-sieged tank with 5 marines destroys 10 marines if it has position. You see, the ramp makes it so that I get to fire with all my units and you get to fire with half your units. You move men up the ramp to fire with all units, I get at least two free shots. Short work.
The marauders rely heavily on the first marine rush. By then I have 3 tanks, tech and some fluff marines or more if you don't do any damage with the ramp attack. This means the 8 marauders you send don't win. Especially if I'm not dumb when placing the tanks.
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pretty much all terrans in my league has adopted this, which makes TvT a joke for me since they just get so far behind losing all those marines.
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On July 20 2010 04:19 Zyke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:25 Kiburn wrote:On July 20 2010 01:34 Zyke wrote:
Ok, Kiburn, but that:
1. Sacrifices upgrades
2. Still puts 10 marines against a walled in 5 marines and a tank.
3. If Tanks and Vikings make it to Mid-game in tact, the harass on expansions is a tangible threat and MM doesn't get past tanks. 1) No, it doesn't...you're gonna be on 2 bases to his 1...you can make more units than him, AND still upgrade. And also, this build finishes the game in 12 minutes maximum-that's the longest TvT game I've had with this build because about 12 marines get to his base around the 5 minute mark (which already makes your #2 argument null-siege tanks and siege mode cannot be complete by then), and reinforcements of 6 marines are sent twice. I'm in mid-high Diamond (top 25) so I play against decent opponents, and most of the time, the marines cannot win the game. However, it puts serious pressure on him and by the time he finishes the marines off, he will have a tank and a few marines, and by that time, my first wave of 6 marauders are already completed. I don't attack right away, but wait for the next wave of 6 twice (total of 18 marauders, and move in then. This wins the game most of the time. In the case that it doesn't, like I mentioned, just build turrets, which allows for upgrades at the ebay, and I've already had stim and conc shells for a while. 2) already addressed 3) In case you didn't know, marauders RAPE tanks, especially with stim. Marauders to somthing like 20 damage to tanks per shot which means 8 marauders one shot a tank, and I always have way more than 8 marauders. Stimmed marauders make quick work of tanks. Vikings? Vikings are a joke to marauders...even WORSE than tanks..plus...again, turrets in-base? This is a really good opening...only thing I would change, is get one less rax in the beginning, cus I'm too low on minerals most of the time. but other than that, this build is really versatile. Wait, you want to sacrifice troops for an expand? That's at least 4 marauders. You can't have an all in push with an expansion. The money you spend on economy will make the push weak. Now with strategy: An un-sieged tank with 5 marines destroys 10 marines if it has position. You see, the ramp makes it so that I get to fire with all my units and you get to fire with half your units. You move men up the ramp to fire with all units, I get at least two free shots. Short work. The marauders rely heavily on the first marine rush. By then I have 3 tanks, tech and some fluff marines or more if you don't do any damage with the ramp attack. This means the 8 marauders you send don't win. Especially if I'm not dumb when placing the tanks.
First of all, this is NOT an all-in...its an OPENING.
Second of all, you WON'T have 3 tanks and tech coming by the time I have marauders in your base, and even if you do, tanks get obliterated by marauders in such small numbers (like 3 tanks)...I can bust a supply depot(if you wall), stim, run in, AND kill all three tanks with the 18 marauders I'd have.
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On July 20 2010 03:29 Kiburn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 03:19 Opti wrote:
So yeah it seems like overnight every T has decided this is their staple TvP build, and i just mass stalkers, and laugh at them. Thank so much to whoever pointed out stalker kiting/micro vs marines, really made this build a joke to own.
On a side note, when i mention 6 rax to a T player, I can immediately tell that they are going it, and if they don't, they will go for banshee cloak cheese since they know i will counter marines. Either way, by the time their banshees have cloak, i have killed most of their workers etc, and have cannons in my main.. then i just wait for robo to come up, get a few obs, and gg.
I find it a bit disturbing that, with how unbalanced TvP was anyway (leaning heavily in T favor after all the buffs) all of these plat/diamond level T are feeling the need to use these all in cheese builds. What ever happened to owning us poor P the normal way? First of all, T is not heavily favored over P...don't know who hit your head this morning....and second of all....you play against some uber noobs if they decide to do this against a Protoss player...its retarded...you don't even need stalkers, just keep building zealots and it'll rape this....that's just plain retarded.....play some better players. The only way to mass marines against a Protoss player would be to go 2 rax reactor/tech lab marine/ghost combo. You need to have combat shields and stim though for that. Its good if you do that, but thats the only way I can think of to use mass marines effectively atm against Protoss.
Actually, with how all in this build is, zealots really can't put a dent in the build as long as the T does a tiny bit of micro. Literally in the time it takes the zealot to get to the pile, it dies, at best it gets off 1 swing, maybe 2, even if you push an entire line of zealots. I know what you're thinking, because i thought it too. Zealots > marine, especially in an open field, but when marines hit a critical mass they are one of the highest dps units available, and even zeals don't stand a chance. Maybe with charge and surround with tons of zeals, but typically this push happens far too early in the game to have chargelots.
Secondly, yes T > P right now, mainly because 1 rax FE is extremely difficult to counter as P and puts the P at an eco disadvantage early. It's not a HUGE margin, don't get me wrong, and it's only that 1 rax FE that i think is so powerful. I beat T just as much as i lose to them, and I'm #7 on my diamond division (which admittedly isn't saying much since i only have just over 400 points) so i'm not just playing against total noobs.
So really, if you think that going mass zealots will rape marines at critical mass.. im sorry but i think you're wrong. It's the same idea as when a MM ball hits critical mass. Sure in the early stages, chargelots, even zealots with just some decent FF usage will kill a MM ball, but later on the zealots just die too friggin fast to do much damage, because all of the MM get off a couple shots before the zeals even get into range. Of course at this point hopefully the P would have colossi stalkers etc, and so the fight is even.
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On July 18 2010 20:49 Cola.bier wrote:
obvious, troll is obvious (I really hope so)
This is the shittiest build I have ever seen, cant imagine any good players losing to this.
#1 Diamond doesnt mean anything btw, just post your stats and points.
At Maximum, this works for a cheese from time to time, but not even against semi good players.
PS: I play on europe, although US seems weaker I highly doubt you guys are that hardroce fai0rs :/
I agree with you, but I don't think it's a troll. I actually believe that this guy climbed to #1 with it considering how bad everyone is on ladder and the fact that terran has so many tech options and is difficult to scout.
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