EPT[B]strange, its almost as if something is *gasp* imbalanced in favor of terran.
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Power Rank 04/04/2010 - Page 10
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On April 07 2010 16:07 karlkarlson wrote: i know you flash-hugging nerds don't wanna hear this, but isn't it wierd that absolutely MEDIOCRE terran play is demolishing zergs right now? look at the last rounds of the MSL or OSL ( kwanro v fantasy , fake yellow v hiya ) Only answer for such a trolly, zerg-biased argument is reversed trolly question: how it's possible, that absolutely MEDIOCRE zerg like CLAM could ever win a league? Becouse of bad maps, nothing else. Ok, now serious. Kwanro played very bad in game 2 against Fanta, that's why he was punished by fanta bunkers. That all lurker stuff was very risky. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On April 07 2010 20:50 Holgerius wrote: It's quite absurd to see Flash at #1 when he can't even beat Hyvaa. I expect him to drop a lot on the PR next month. 5/5 + Show Spoiler + Can't wait for people to take this seriously. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Also, someone should tell our #2 that M&M is bad against Toss. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I hope he can break 2500 :D | ||
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
The way I see it, Terran as a whole is easily the most balanced and flexible when it comes to strategies, builds, and timings. Zerg is less so mostly because of the handicap imposed by the bases - drones - army balancing act. As for Protoss, the race looks to be pretty much comatose at this point. Just look at how many Terran bonjwas there have been and how they all revolutionized Terran play. What I'm scared of is that now that mechanical skill is nearing the plateau, the race with the most options will always be favored, and Flash will just dominate everyone forever. EDIT: Also, maps. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
He just lost to Hyvaa! He cant even accomplish a 90% winrate! he doesnt deserve #1 | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
One loss and they all start jumping ship. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 07 2010 13:49 TwoToneTerran wrote: Goddamn you completely twisted every word I said. I never said Nada sucks. I said Flash's streak of domination overshadows Nada simply because it's a matter of domination. No matchup is utterly dominated when you lose six games in a row to one of your rivals and some other guys. It's good when you have nada's record, but it isn't bonjwa like. You don't just expect him to win every matchup when he drops six in a row, plain and simple. It doesn't matter how many months are in between or who you're playing, because bonjwa-esque makes no reservations for "who." ASDF WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK OF FUCKS? NaDa's statistically strongest match-up is not "bonjwa" like? I don't care what stipulations you have. I could bring up how your stats on everyone except maybe skyhigh are irrelevant as they don't pertain to the period we're talking about (where skyhigh is 1-1 with him, sniping him in a third set after he beat two other opponents), but that's shallow thinking. Flash's entire career is comparable to the guy you picked's glory period. His hot streak is far more impressive. Playing more games isn't a detriment, all it does is further prove consistency, especially considering Flash got put up against every "best" TvTer multiple times during his run, so being all indignant about how Nada had to play the guys that could hang with him is ridiculous. Flash faced every guy anyone thought could handle him, and proved they couldn't. And yet you'll ignore NaDa's 85% dominance in 2001-2002 and ignore the fact that NaDa's "glory period" of 74% lifetime wins is actually of comparable length to Flash's entire career? And where do you come off thinking that I ever said playing more games is a detriment? Playing fewer games during a time period of comparable length is being held against NaDa, not the other way around. ELO provides a better measure when sample sizes are larger. Flash has faced all the best TvTers, this is true, but he doesn't have winning records over all of them. As you pointed out, SkyHigh is 1-1 vs Flash recently. Leta is 1-1 vs Flash in the past 12 months, 1-0 over Flash in the past 6 months. I'd love to see Flash face off in Leta or SkyHigh in a bo3 right now. Probably Flash would win (he's better), but there's no guarantee. Being bonjwa means that you remove any and all dispute that you are the best. That is not the same as being literally unbeatable. All of this aside, you can't explain six losses in a row. You can't. That proves that, for whatever reason, Nada was very vulnerable during the period you showed in his TvT. He may have still been obviously the best, but tons of people have been the "best" in a matchup but not dominated it to an obscene extent. We're talking unrivaled. Okay, fine, you're going to be an utter dick because I just chose the time period up until when NaDa reached TvT ELO peak rather than the time period that best reflects how fucking close to unbeatable NaDa really was. 2003 was already 2 years into NaDa's career. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=147&part=games&vs=T&league=any&map=any&from_year=2001&from_month=3&from_day=3&to_year=2003&to_month=1&to_day=3&action=Update For the first 22 months of his career he maintained 85% wins, only once dropping two games in a row. Qui9t being the kind of douche who just clicks on the link and looks for any possible tidbit of information that you can use to weasel an argument. Fact: NaDa's peak form dominance was statistically comparable in terms of win percentage to Flash's peak form dominance in terms of win percentage. Fact: NaDa maintained a lifetime record with comparable win percentage over a comparable length of time to what Flash has now. Fact: Anyone who has been following this game long enough (like me) to have seen NaDa play at his peak should readily see the similarities in how NaDa used to thoroughly dominate his Terran opponents, always staying one step ahead. Faster, sharper, more perfect. No dependence on creating superior builds, but perfectly capable of creating new builds all the same. That describes both Flash and NaDa. Difference: NaDa entered progaming vastly above and beyond the competition. He was bonjwa from the get-go. Flash rose to dominance and is at his peak now. Flash also has a higher sample of games behind his name. Both of these things help account for his much higher ELO peak. What I find hard to believe is that you act like being compared to NaDa (might I reiterate: in NaDa's statistically strongest match-up) is a bad thing. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 08 2010 02:14 SuperArc wrote: wow Flash sure has good fans. One loss and they all start jumping ship. Just want to provoke? Ofcourse there are some fans who aren't true fans but rather just cheer when he wins.. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Flash is 1-1 with Skyhigh and Leta, okay, that's reasonable, but he didn't lose six straight. Plain and simple. 70% is amazing but you can't honestly tell me it's dominating when he loses six games in a row. It's just not reasonable. The best, sure, but six games in a row is just painful to look at. Nada's first year was apparently the third greatest matchup though, behind Oov's 18-0 of Zerg and Flash 22-0 of Terran. It's a bit disrespectful of me to say Nada isn't as dominant because I wasn't watching back then, but when you just cite statistics at me and Flash is clearly superior on streaks, winrate, and at the very least similar in levels of competition, how am I supposed to look at it? All Flash has to do is keep this up for another year before he absolutely dominates Nada's success. I guess that's why the commentators were chiming about "above bonjwa," though. I bet it sells well. of course then he goes mech on match point. I don't know what to do with you Flash. | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On April 06 2010 05:55 Musoeun wrote: Wasn't Iris typically considered a top-tier TvT player as well? Although Iris now... ugh. <3 Iris  (I just wish he didn't suck right now.. his breakout lately gave me hope... until fucking kwanro 0-2 to 3-2ed him >:{ ) | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 08 2010 18:49 ThunderGod wrote: Zero? On April 08 2010 18:54 ThunderGod wrote: Zero? Unfortunately, two times zero is still zero. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5598 Posts
On April 08 2010 08:20 TwoToneTerran wrote: Goddamn Mortality. Every single post you have makes huge assumptions of me like "being compared to Nada is a bad thing." All I did was point out ere in your judgement and, fuck, I even edited my post to HELP your argument and you go batshit on me. Flash is 1-1 with Skyhigh and Leta, okay, that's reasonable, but he didn't lose six straight. Plain and simple. 70% is amazing but you can't honestly tell me it's dominating when he loses six games in a row. It's just not reasonable. The best, sure, but six games in a row is just painful to look at. Nada's first year was apparently the third greatest matchup though, behind Oov's 18-0 of Zerg and Flash 22-0 of Terran. It's a bit disrespectful of me to say Nada isn't as dominant because I wasn't watching back then, but when you just cite statistics at me and Flash is clearly superior on streaks, winrate, and at the very least similar in levels of competition, how am I supposed to look at it? All Flash has to do is keep this up for another year before he absolutely dominates Nada's success. I guess that's why the commentators were chiming about "above bonjwa," though. I bet it sells well. of course then he goes mech on match point. I don't know what to do with you Flash. Well, a double SL win and 6 golds in total >>> any streaks or elo records imo | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On April 08 2010 19:38 Elroi wrote: Well, a double SL win and 6 golds in total >>> any streaks or elo records imo Did you even read their posts? They're arguing about TvT, not who has the most medals. Personally I find Flash's TvT dominance more impressive than Nada's. However I'm also very biased. | ||
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