[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia

On April 30 2020 00:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Jock seems opportunistic for the koshi vote and shockkeeeyy seems like he was just throwing shit at the wall and was surprised it stuck

On April 30 2020 01:04 Fecalfeast wrote:


The initial post yes but he voted immediately after jock voted.

On April 30 2020 01:30 Kurumi wrote:


Because it never happened. Or, at least until rayn shows where this has happened.



Are you fucking with me or? I didn't press enter at all?

As for bolded, what the holiest of fuck. What?

And yes, scum do that, because it might be easy early to discredit someone in the thread or because they panic.

On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
alakaslam:
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I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason.

You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it.

Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel.

On April 30 2020 03:17 Koshi wrote:
I think Kurumi comes out very town in the exchange between him and rayn. Kurumi was aggressive interrogatory towards rayn and rayn was "gtg I go sleep and reread tomorrow" which shows weakness.

On April 30 2020 03:36 Koshi wrote:

This post shows jock is thinking about the game and the thought process of others.

Is townie.

On April 30 2020 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:


No way.

##Unvote
##Vote: Jockmcplop

You're mafia.

On April 30 2020 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Koshi are you around in an hour or so?

On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.

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Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.

And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.

Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?

On April 30 2020 00:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:




His post here about dead game being a dead game, then his follow up post here to you Trfel.



Typically as town I act like I don't care, but I do care. As a mafia member, I actually wouldn't care about what town thinks since the end game is winning and killing town.

On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:


I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming.



Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes.

On April 30 2020 04:22 Vivax wrote:


Feel like shit tbh. I have a feeling the 'rona doesn't really go away and I slept through the rest of the day after coming home. Now I'll be up most of the night.

Gonna look into GB real quick.

On April 30 2020 04:29 Vivax wrote:
Dunno about GB, him overreacting to my crappy vote was kinda meh but I like where his vote is at now.
Could use some more meat from his posts, but I'll go with a townlean for now.



Fefe how do you go from this to voting GB?

On April 30 2020 04:44 Vivax wrote:


Presumably. It didn't make me supersick but enough to cause me the occasional trouble breathing at night and feeling kinda drained since then. Sometimes I feel like there's droplets of water running down the trachea, mostly in bed.

Hope you're fine tho. I've seen the charts and the mortality in Belgium was super high.

Btw ignore my last question, I was thinking you were rayn there for a sec and I wanted to ask him about reading Jock.

Jock's first post was a catch-up-post, that already made me lift my eyebrows because it seemed kind of overkill. But the 'let TL decide' bit with the confusing followup is where I'm at mostly. Let him explain tho.

On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:

Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm.....

On April 30 2020 04:58 Alakaslam wrote:

Exactly. I’m wishy-washy as all hell, don’t uou know?

On April 30 2020 05:22 Vivax wrote:




These two posts still don't feel right to me though.
It's like he's seeing reasons for both to be mafia then feels pressured to make a case on Kurumi because of it.

On April 30 2020 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

of course.

Here's the thing Koshi, last two games i have completely fucked up because the most obvious people (who did terrible shit) were mafia. I am very very tempted to vote for Jock here because he did something absolutely terrible. Why do you think the whole scheme with his voting and unvoting on you doesn't make him mafia?

On April 30 2020 03:36 Koshi wrote:

This post shows jock is thinking about the game and the thought process of others.

Is townie.

On April 30 2020 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am trying to find it but i can't.


Jock is very good at playing this game as mafia until he does something really stupid. Which i think he did.

On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:

Here

On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jock is very very capable of making very townie looking posts as mafia but at points his conclusions don't match his posts. That's pretty much Jock.

On April 30 2020 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay, and then he does what? Vote for you because Shockeyy said some random shit?

On April 30 2020 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is sick. I am playing a diplomacy game with him atm, he is legit sick. That doesn't make him town or mafia with what he has posted but yeah..

On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:


This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG

It makes no sense as town and you should know it.
You have no reason to vote me.

On April 30 2020 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh Jock also said something about there being two mafia, but I think it's probably 3 with 12 people.

Also, I really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but:

@Koshi: There's a grammar mistake I've noticed you making fairly frequently for a couple of years now. When you say "Rayn his reads" the english translation would just be "Rayn's reads". I don't know if it's a translation mistake just from writing quickly or something I should point out, but it's pretty easy to correct so I thought I might mention it.

On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him

On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:


I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.

On April 29 2020 10:17 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't think you were lazy at all. You started being lazy towards the end game, and that's when people started believing you're mafia. But you had an outstanding day1.

Vivax is MAFIA and I'm voting him
##Vote: Vivax

On April 30 2020 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:


Koshi, that's not how I read Jock as mafia.
He came to the thread, saw Shockeyy opening with a bad meta read on your opening post that only he could see, then Jock came to the thread and placed a vote on you like that was a joke. Then FF asked him why he was voting you. He then said he genuinely thought you are mafia (WHY?) and decided to unvote.

This is clearly, for me, a mafia that decided to leave a vote on a wagon without thinking much but when pressured to say anything about it, didn't have any reasons and decided to backtrack.

Now, I would understand if he just said "I was joking" or "I was just pressuring", but he said he "genuinely" thought you were mafia, which doesn't make sense from a town perspective. WHY would he unvote just because someone asked his opinon? What was so glaringly town from you at that time that made him unvote???

On April 30 2020 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?

Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you.

On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

On April 30 2020 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:


Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me.

On April 30 2020 23:44 Vivax wrote:


Did I trigger you because I don't agree with you on GB when you try to condense your case on him into comedic points that then turn out to be untrue?

Well, then you might be mafia. I'm pretty chill.

On April 30 2020 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Okay then, let's tone it down a little here, get out of your tunnels, because I need you in mine.

Koshi why do you think that what GB is doing is worse than what Shockey is doing?

On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
alakaslam:
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I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason.

You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it.

Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel.

On May 01 2020 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not a joke vote because he fucking said it was not a joke vote lol...

On May 01 2020 03:28 Alakaslam wrote:

He says we are mafia together. Ironic much?

On May 01 2020 03:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:


You should know.

On May 01 2020 03:31 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear is busy at work. He flailed at Koshi for a while, nothing super notable though.

Consider maybe switching to Kurumi? Mostly the same reasons as before. I just feel like Kurumi hasn't contributed much actual thought to the thread.

On May 01 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I find every mafia game I play to be fun no matter what. Sometimes I get too involved where work suffers. lol

On May 01 2020 03:41 Fecalfeast wrote:

Gb or bust then?

On May 01 2020 03:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why GB though? It's obvious mafia is on GB already.

On May 01 2020 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I'm more connected than you. I was literally here from the beginning. I'm pretty vested in this.

On May 01 2020 03:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly i want to spite kurumi now and let them live so they have to play

On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?

On May 01 2020 03:53 Kurumi wrote:

Yeah, I ask those questions myself every time people fuxking quintuple post with one liners in span of 10 minutes.

On May 01 2020 07:48 Vivax wrote:


Why lynched and not NKd?

On May 01 2020 11:41 Trfel wrote:
Definitely still open for discussion but after rereading GlowingBear's filter I think GlowingBear is mafia.

Appreciate thoughts on this. Also, apologies to all for defending GlowingBear earlier if he is indeed mafia.

On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return.

On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?

On May 01 2020 12:24 GlowingBear wrote:


Why would I bother fleshing out my thoughts in the thread if I'm being lynched? Why wouldn't I try to deflect my lynch into any other target? Why wouldn't I hammer Kurumi after he came to the thread and acted so poorly against his lynched? I had an excuse to save myself

I don't understand how you can't 100% see me as town there

On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
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If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo.

Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler +

Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post.
If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it?

On May 03 2020 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote:


What was it in Fefe's filter that made you vote shockeyy? Have you read the post where I responded to Fefe's pressure on shockeyy?

On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:
I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear

On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:


Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me.

But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday.

On May 03 2020 10:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The fact that Koshi votes for me and not rayn shows that he's just trying to go with the easiest lynch targets. He did it to GB, and was upset Kurami got booted instead. Koshi was trying to push Rayn earlier and instead hard switched me even though rayn has been his biggest scum read.

On May 03 2020 10:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vivax, if rayn wasn't town, then why would he vote for Kurumi even though he was confirmed town with his posts and was most likely going to get modkilled or replaced? Like the way I see it is if rayn was mafia, he would of voted GB out instead because GB would definitely been his biggest opponent, and his biggest problem until N1 kill or something.

GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam

If you're town, which I hope you are based on your game play, then that means Kosh or Slam have to be mafia. Trfel seems to be sheeping Rayn or just willing to vote Kurumi based on the same information Rayn had, and he at least is also trying to play the game as well.

Rayn seems to only not be playing recently because people are scum reading him. He did the same thing last game I played where Hap was really pushing he was mafia.

On May 03 2020 20:48 Chezinu wrote:

AWWW!!

You scared?!?!?

On May 03 2020 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:


You're most likely town for this.

On May 03 2020 14:30 GlowingBear wrote:


There's nothing new to talk about tbh. Slam was constantly reacting to the thread, reevaluating his reads, but this fell a bit today. Not his fault tho, since there's nothing much to talk about.
Rayn lack of interest in the thread proves he is not interested in solving the game. Mafia.
Koshi actually started to think a bit about the new information that has been posted in the thread. He could've still be tunneled on me and trying to have a mislynch, but he decided to let it go and go against Shockey.
Shockey isn't really contributive, he posts some made up conspiracies to frame people, then forgets it just to post a OMGUS vote.
Jockmcplop is top town right now, he has been thinking critically about the game and there is nothing opportunistic in his posts. He brings original and genuine content when posting his reads and seems to be trying to solve the game.

I still think you're town although you've posted a bad case on me that I want people to address.

On May 03 2020 14:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB im literally trying to say your town and then you just decide I’m mafia? Like in what mind set does that make sense as a town? I thought town is supposed to team up?

On May 03 2020 14:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:


No obviously not, that’s why Koshi is going on the second “easiest” lynch this D2. You were first, and he started the wagon. Now D2 he starts the Shockeyy wagon and fucks off again.

On May 03 2020 18:14 Trfel wrote:
I could lynch Chezinu as well.

Looking forward to raynpelikoneet's thoughts.

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.

The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.

So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?

The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.

Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.

The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.

##vote Chezinu

On May 03 2020 19:36 Jockmcplop wrote:





ok 1: I wasn't on Kurumi or GB

2: I looked at FF's filter and went through his scumreads. Its possible to re-evaluate and end up in a similar place to before.

3: I have talked plenty about GB today.

4: Alot of alignments do depend on shockeyy. I think one of shockeyy/koshi is mafia mainly because I think koshi is mafia but if he's town shockeyy's push on him from the beginning of the game looks real bad. Also there's been a consistent push against shockeyy for most of the game so that's why figuring out his alignment is important.

5: I tried to re-evaluate the case against shockeyy to see if my townread was missing something and found that there wasn't a case against him at all. Hence I continued to townread him. I suppose you could just ignore that and replace it with ??? to make me look bad but that's kinda silly.

On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote


Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia?

On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:


My PoE currently:

Slam
Koshi
Chezinu
Trfel
Vivax

On May 03 2020 20:21 Jockmcplop wrote:


If shockeyy is town, slam, koshi and vivax and to a lesser extent trfel are all suspects.
You say you never pushed shockeyy but you voted for him. Was that an accident or something?

I don't think trfel is town any more really. At first i did but i find his play very underwhelming and not really in a townie way.

And yeah, you're right, I could go and look at GB's filter myself, but its trfel's case and he wanted opinions on it so he can go find the quotes given that he already knows exactly where they are and what he's referring to.

On May 03 2020 21:11 Vivax wrote:


It is kinda what I wanted to hear.
But Chez also went ham after this post and Jock looks like he really cares about rayn's opinion on him so if we lynch either of them and one or two flip scum there's not really a point worrying about rayn.

It's a bit insane to want to lynch rayn over one of them.

On May 03 2020 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Chezinu, do you want to claim something or not? If you are blue i would prefer you did, because i dont think i am gonna lynch anyone other than you unless you claim. Obviously you can also think i am mafia so in that case you shouldn't probably vote for Trfel.

On May 03 2020 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we vote for Slam Koshi?

On May 03 2020 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so Koshi is either mafia or being very stupid here.

On May 03 2020 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are right i am 100% lynching into you / Slam over Shockeyy.

On May 03 2020 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who is mafia with me and shockeyy?

On May 03 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are not many people who can be mafia with us so please, give your opinion.
Like you always try to at least tinfoil a team because youre proud and want to be right. Why not now?

On May 03 2020 21:27 Koshi wrote:

Ok fine. Grack plays prudent and if you flip mafia town will bring him to lylo because rereading his filter he sounds like a genious.

On May 03 2020 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so okay. me, shockeyy and grack.

I dont think Chezinu is mafia so well. I am blue, no takebacksies here.
What do you do now Koshi?

On May 03 2020 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy and Grackaroni both basically built a case on me then backtracked the hell out of it, so what the fuck do you do now Koshi?

On May 03 2020 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So basically.

I am town or you should try to lynch me now.

If i am town that makes shockeyy and grack town.
Vivax is town and you know it
Trfel is town and you know it
GB "knew" i am blue and he would have shot me (maybe roleblock but yeah that's not an idea i am invested in right now because the best thing for mafia!GB is still to shoot me)
Chezinu is blue

So the rest of the people who are not Koshi, for you should be mafia.

But they are not?

On May 03 2020 20:55 Koshi wrote:

Lolololol

I am tunneled on this guy now.


If this is not:

I am sucking your dick and you call me mafia? Holy fuck how ungrateful. I set this up perfectly and you just cut through my bullshit and call me mafia? I didnt see this cumming.

On May 03 2020 20:56 Koshi wrote:
He fucking tells GB that he is not town unless he reads Shockey as town.


HAHAHAHAGAHAGAGAGA

On May 03 2020 20:57 Koshi wrote:

Good news. They are not both mafia.

On May 03 2020 20:58 Koshi wrote:
Dnu if a town!shockey would beg a pretty scummy GB so fucking hard. Like where is the bit of doubt in his mind abou gb??

On May 03 2020 21:40 Jockmcplop wrote:




##vote: koshi

Better get some votes on shockeyy then koshi

On May 03 2020 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Explain please?

On May 04 2020 02:23 Vivax wrote:


What did the other guy say? Paraphrased ofc.

On May 04 2020 02:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vote for me then I don’t care, you’re just going to let mafia win. I’m done then. GL town.

On May 04 2020 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:


?

Why would we bring them to the table if there's so much more reasons to lynch Shockey right now?
Do you think Shockey is town?

On May 04 2020 02:59 Trfel wrote:
The other thing is, Jockmcplop seemed like a decent lynch when I reread his filter.

He hasn't really been pushing his own ideas, most of his posts are just commentary on other people's posts. It feels like he is "thread police," posting about the validity of other people's ideas, not making his own. And that scares me a lot.

I don't know For now I think the difference is I don't want to vote with GlowingBear.
##unvote
##vote Jockmcplop

On May 04 2020 05:22 Trfel wrote:
Finished lunch. On a computer now.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk, I'll be on and off between this and schoolwork.

Before Rereading

Town
Vivax - Only other player who has been consistently present and trying to find mafia

Maybe Town
Grackaroni - Good thoughts on ShoCkeyy even if wrong, need to double check though
Alakaslam - Seems like he is actually trying to solve the game
Koshi - Effort, re-evaluating reads, trying to solve the game
raynpelikoneet - Trying to solve the game, willing to work with people. Didn't make much of a fuss about ShoCkeyy getting lynched, need to re-evaluate this

Maybe Mafia
Chezinu - Very distant, disinterested
Jockmcplop - Hiding in the background, not posting original thoughts/reads
GlowingBear - Scumreads feel fabricated, doesn't seem to care about them

9 players left. 6 v 3. After the night kill it'll be 5 v 3, so that makes it MYLO currently. Lousy position to be in

On May 05 2020 16:38 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet's third name was Alakaslam. Looking back on it, he made a big deal about not forgetting what Alakaslam said going into the deadline. I forgot it But seriously, just lynching his other scumread.

Koshi, can I ask why you think Jockmcplop is town?

On May 05 2020 16:48 Trfel wrote:

What about me, I get to decide too

In all seriousness though, I'd be happy to talk about Jockmcplop. I do strongly believe he is mafia but honestly I don't really know why. And it would be not ideal to mislynch right now.

My main argument is activity and fluff in the filter, it feels like he's burnt out from rolling mafia twice in a row. I do think my case on him was pretty good, I know most of it was the exceptions to my case so it doesn't feel strong, but read Jockmcplop's filter and look for what his reads are (not just thoughts, reads) and I think that is telling. A quality post has reads and well thought explanations, and Jockmcplop does not have many of those at all.

But again, I am very happy to discuss this, it's quite important.

On May 05 2020 16:50 Trfel wrote:
Hm, why isn't it a win? If you agree with raynpelikoneet's reads, and you are town, mafia is GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam. Doesn't matter that we are in MYLO as long as we know who is mafia.

On May 05 2020 16:51 Trfel wrote:
Hm, if they kill me over confirmed town Grackaroni I would think that would be a very positive outcome for town.

On May 05 2020 16:51 Koshi wrote:
And if 1 thing is certain it is that we know nothing at all.

On May 05 2020 16:52 Trfel wrote:
Fair enough, I'm mostly just bored, haha. Sorry if I am keeping you from something or if you don't feel like playing.

On May 05 2020 16:54 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I guess I didn't think about that :/

On May 05 2020 22:35 Vivax wrote:
Though probably Jock will say that just confirms I'm mafia with Chez or something.

Looking at Fefe's filter again, he had Chez and Slam as scumreads along Grack and Shockeyy of which one is greenchecked and the other flipped.

That's about as many pointers you will get from Chez to him being scum, along with me being so sure of him being mafia here.

Also worth mentioning that Slam has a PoE with Jock in it but votes Trfel today which is not going to happen.
For Slam I'd like him to just look at my posts and ask him if he still thinks Chez is confirmed town.

On May 05 2020 22:55 Vivax wrote:
I believe in Koshi, he will come back to the thread with newfound righteous fury and see what I see.
Rayn kill really played a number on him, but it's winnable.

It really makes sense to me on this day if you look at the N1 kill. Medic dodge? Nah. Vet dodge? Maybe. Killed for reads? Definitely.