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I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore.
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Votes:
Jockmcplop: (2) GlowingBear, raynpelikoneet
GlowingBear: (2) Koshi, FecalFeast
ShoCkeyy: (2) Alakaslam, Vivax
Trfel: (1) Kurumi
Alakaslam: (1) ShocCkeyy
Kurumi: (1) Trfel
Raynpelikoneet: (1) Grackaroni
Koshi: (1) Chezinu
FecalFeast: (0)
Vivax: (0)
Chezinu: (0)
Grackaroni: (0)
Not Voting:
Jockmcplop
Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
until End of Day
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On April 30 2020 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore.
Look, Shockeyy said Koshi reminded him of an entrance Koshi did in a game where they were scum together, IIRC.
That's already not the way you call someone mafia with the intent of having him scumread by others.
So that already leaves a hole.
What I'm missing here is Shockeyys entire thought process between him scumreading Koshi and then unscumreading him.
If you have any idea what that could be, I'd like to hear it.
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On April 30 2020 22:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore. Look, Shockeyy said Koshi reminded him of an entrance Koshi did in a game where they were scum together, IIRC. That's already not the way you call someone mafia with the intent of having him scumread by others. So that already leaves a hole. What I'm missing here is Shockeyys entire thought process between him scumreading Koshi and then unscumreading him. If you have any idea what that could be, I'd like to hear it.
fair enough, i am going to let shockeyy answer you at least first.
tbh i dont have a good read on him. there are some things i think he is town for but i am not sure at all.
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I would be pleased if Slam and Shockeyy did something other than this 1on1 with each other.
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Vivax whats your opinion on Grackaroni?
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On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him
QFvisablity
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I quoted it so people read it twice. One of the reasons why GB is mafia. The goddamn Kurumi is town fixation.
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On April 30 2020 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax whats your opinion on Grackaroni?
He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at.
From Fefe:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote
Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack?
Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn.
I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy.
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If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.
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Fine i am going to side with Koshi on this, at least some townies are voting for the same shit.
##unvote jockmcplop
##vote glowingbear
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We can shennanies to Shockey on deadline. We will see what happens.
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On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.
What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.
His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.
Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.
What are your other reads Koshi?
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On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter. What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously. His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld. Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally. What are your other reads Koshi?
The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke.
That is either:
Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention.
Misrepresenting as mafia.
Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch.
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On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
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However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well. I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.
He has no scumread on slam except a notion slam is wishy washy somewhere. After that nothing towards slam to find out his alignment but chitchat. Like the above.
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So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread????
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On April 30 2020 23:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far:Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activityShockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me ActiveVivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
KurumiTrfel
raynpelikoneetI have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +
Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax
Vivax - 1
GlowingBear
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game. Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well. I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised. He has no scumread on slam except a notion slam is wishy washy somewhere. After that nothing towards slam to find out his alignment but chitchat. Like the above.
Yeah, maybe he didn't call slam mafia outright, but that's what I read this post as:
On April 30 2020 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 06:39 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? so why did you ask me about this? Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend. Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in. This is exactly what I thought. This post makes me think Kurumi is town. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. I don't like this post from Slam, this "I'm town and therefore dont give a shit what people think" seems forced. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I disagree, Kurumi has committed to the "bad vibes" he had from you, and his thought process is well displayed on the thread. The only part I agree with is that Kurumi didn't question rayn's alignment, but I don't see it as alignment indicative in the early game. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree Another post from Slam that isn't contributive at all. Just a "could be or couldn't be". Okay, I'm on page 8, I'll post this and continue
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On April 30 2020 23:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter. What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously. His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld. Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally. What are your other reads Koshi? The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke. That is either: Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention. Misrepresenting as mafia. Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch.
Koshi, that's not how I read Jock as mafia.
He came to the thread, saw Shockeyy opening with a bad meta read on your opening post that only he could see, then Jock came to the thread and placed a vote on you like that was a joke. Then FF asked him why he was voting you. He then said he genuinely thought you are mafia (WHY?) and decided to unvote.
This is clearly, for me, a mafia that decided to leave a vote on a wagon without thinking much but when pressured to say anything about it, didn't have any reasons and decided to backtrack.
Now, I would understand if he just said "I was joking" or "I was just pressuring", but he said he "genuinely" thought you were mafia, which doesn't make sense from a town perspective. WHY would he unvote just because someone asked his opinon? What was so glaringly town from you at that time that made him unvote???
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