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ShoCkeyy
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GlowingBear
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On April 30 2020 11:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: I only voted Koshi to put more pressure on him after that opening, especially if it was going to be two votes already. I thought it would of been obvious. I already explained my reasoning why I thought it was a Koshi mafia opening. Okay, I'll have to read the whole thread. I'll have to stop playing now because I'm having very bad headaches. But I'll be back when I get better. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote: I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town. Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened. Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well. And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that. Summing it up: It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games. So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it  And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to. ##Unvote ##Vote rayn Vivax's post tickled me when he said that Rayn already knows that he is town and bringing up (I think) a past game where he caught Rayn doing this. I have no idea what he's talking about for the past game with Trfel but I believe that he believes what he's writing. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me  Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear Here I don't see scum trying to explain why they aren't voting for somebody because they think another person might have a role. It doesn't seem like the kind of reasoning that mafia would come up with to justify avoiding voting on a partner. Rayn worries me. I made a note that I felt Rayn seemed defensive about needing to justify his own read more than having a strong scumread on Kurumi in this post: On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? and my feelings of that got stronger with this post: On April 30 2020 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't agree with this at all, being on the "receiving end" here. I mean that's not how i feel like it went at all. But i am not really interested in Kurumi right now, probably not a D1 lynch anyways. If Rayn isn't interested in Kurumi that makes me feel stronger about my original interpretation of his post. It also seemed pretty clear to me that he was trying to win over Koshi while talking to him. Maybe he just has a fairly confident town read on Koshi, or he's got an interest in getting a Jock lynch over GB. FF I didn't like because he seems like he's putting effort into seeming casual in his posts. Especially in a post where he's spreading suspicion onto Shockey. On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote Also if I have the timeframe correct, he posted the night before and then the next morning he forgot about the game and is promising contributions? On April 29 2020 23:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh jeez guys I'm sorry. I forgot about the game. I work all day but I'll try and be less of a donkey today That seems strange to me. At most he would have forgotten about the game for only a few hours after waking up, and I don't think he's been doing much since then. TLDR: I have weak reads: Vivax/Kurumi lean town Rayn/FF lean scum | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
Also, I really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but: @Koshi: There's a grammar mistake I've noticed you making fairly frequently for a couple of years now. When you say "Rayn his reads" the english translation would just be "Rayn's reads". I don't know if it's a translation mistake just from writing quickly or something I should point out, but it's pretty easy to correct so I thought I might mention it. | ||
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Then I got to a post that I made that said the exact opposite of what I have written here.... what is going on here | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 30 2020 11:39 Fecalfeast wrote: I got about halfway through actually reading the thread, have a big post made up of my thoughts and then.. Then I got to a post that I made that said the exact opposite of what I have written here.... what is going on here maybe youre mafia? | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote HAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha nice. I was obviously not reading before I would scumread this post if I hadn't made it... let me check my pm again... | ||
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Here's where I was at, including the part i copy and pasted into my previous post + Show Spoiler + USO HODLER (Innocent Child) lol On April 25 2020 15:09 Alakaslam wrote: Hey. Have you hacked into my acc? I dont know wbo you are, but PM me from and alt and I have multiple smurfs you can use. Ok? I’ve changed the pass to this one. So. Please go to an alt and I’ll give you a smurf. was this real btw? On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I'm town town gb would have said he is mafia On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote: Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I work dayshift, deadline is at noon for me. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote: I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?how tf is that a good lead? You don't even know me lol wut the ping about trfel also seems forced when i read it On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote: Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town? Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment? haha gb is actually mafia isn't he On April 29 2020 12:58 Vivax wrote: So after not being able to sleep through the night, today is the day a meteor apparently misses earth once again. I have set up a little shrine sacrificing some stale mozzarella and pray to my favourite deity that it hits us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor Lucca Gallo olive oil. Alternatively learn to grow tobacco and distill vodka from potatoes. I am. Shitposting aside: I think Kurumi and GB are reading too much into the Trfel 'future cop out' thing, but in a good way. Game still kinda looks like my mozzarella, and that helped. Fefe why are you so unpassionate? I have to work in the land of Pandemia and it's getting me down. It's stressful because my wife works in healthcare so if I get it she gets it and passes it to vulnerable people On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote: @Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions. Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? good post, agree On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. why would you think I'm town tho? Also I think slam is scummy on toneread On April 29 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's bad teasoning so i'd rather not discuss it yet. Also i would really like to at least answer your case but i have a hard time understanding what youre accusing me of. Because youre saying i am doing similar things that i did as town or aomeone else did as town in some other game and that makes me MAFIA??? Also i always make reads that people find out to be for flimsy reasons early on in the game. Yes i think youre town and yes i think Trfel is town, whether or noy you like the reasoning that's something i do every single game as town (truth to be told probably in most games as mafia too). I am also not trying to paint Kurumi mafia. I was simply just questioning the only thing i found to be worth questioning at that point of the game. I dont think i am getting more definite information on that, and i dont know what that makes Kurumi so i am just gonna let it go and see what he does after. I had the same reaction to vivax's case On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? hard agree On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear classic effortpost that is basically a summary of the thread so far that ends in the same scumread you had all game. with the bonus effort of a votecount. nope gb calling this post the best post in the game and lock town also shows that GB isn't reading or else it would be clear that this is just empty effort On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote HAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha nice. I was obviously not reading before I would scumread myself for this post rn... let me check my pm again... apparently I don't anymore so that's a thing no On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote: This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me. if I pushed someone then i didn't just shitpost and leave | ||
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Grackaroni
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On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago... Shit more like 5 years ago Also this was more like 8 years.  | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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Day 1 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT Previous Votecount: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=14#270 Votes: Jockmcplop: (3) GlowingBear, Vivax, raynpelikoneet GlowingBear: (2) Koshi, FecalFeast Trfel: (1) Kurumi Koshi: (1) ShoCkeyy: (1) Alakaslam FecalFeast: (0) Vivax: (0) Raynpelikoneet: (0) Not Voting: Chezinu, Grackaroni, Jockmcplop, Trfel Jockmcplop is set to be lynched with 3 votes. until End of Day lmk if i skipped anyone | ||
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Grackaroni
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I'm just going to vote Rayn off gut. ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Fecalfeast
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On April 30 2020 12:21 Trfel wrote: Lol Fecalfeast xD | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On April 30 2020 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote: I made a bunch of comments about random posts as I was going through and was going to condense them all down but now I'm disheartened. Here's where I was at, including the part i copy and pasted into my previous post + Show Spoiler + USO HODLER (Innocent Child) lol On April 25 2020 15:09 Alakaslam wrote: Hey. Have you hacked into my acc? I dont know wbo you are, but PM me from and alt and I have multiple smurfs you can use. Ok? I’ve changed the pass to this one. So. Please go to an alt and I’ll give you a smurf. was this real btw? On April 29 2020 05:16 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I'm town town gb would have said he is mafia On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote: Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I work dayshift, deadline is at noon for me. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote: I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?how tf is that a good lead? You don't even know me lol wut the ping about trfel also seems forced when i read it On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote: Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town? Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment? haha gb is actually mafia isn't he On April 29 2020 12:58 Vivax wrote: So after not being able to sleep through the night, today is the day a meteor apparently misses earth once again. I have set up a little shrine sacrificing some stale mozzarella and pray to my favourite deity that it hits us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_equation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor Lucca Gallo olive oil. Alternatively learn to grow tobacco and distill vodka from potatoes. I am. Shitposting aside: I think Kurumi and GB are reading too much into the Trfel 'future cop out' thing, but in a good way. Game still kinda looks like my mozzarella, and that helped. Fefe why are you so unpassionate? I have to work in the land of Pandemia and it's getting me down. It's stressful because my wife works in healthcare so if I get it she gets it and passes it to vulnerable people On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote: @Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions. Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? good post, agree On April 29 2020 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: But they are not. I also think FF and Slam are town but i am not that sure about it. why would you think I'm town tho? Also I think slam is scummy on toneread On April 29 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's bad teasoning so i'd rather not discuss it yet. Also i would really like to at least answer your case but i have a hard time understanding what youre accusing me of. Because youre saying i am doing similar things that i did as town or aomeone else did as town in some other game and that makes me MAFIA??? Also i always make reads that people find out to be for flimsy reasons early on in the game. Yes i think youre town and yes i think Trfel is town, whether or noy you like the reasoning that's something i do every single game as town (truth to be told probably in most games as mafia too). I am also not trying to paint Kurumi mafia. I was simply just questioning the only thing i found to be worth questioning at that point of the game. I dont think i am getting more definite information on that, and i dont know what that makes Kurumi so i am just gonna let it go and see what he does after. I had the same reaction to vivax's case On April 29 2020 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also one more time trying to clarify what is the problem i have with Kurumi. First he ask me about his opinion on Trfel. His opinion seems to be based on the following narrative: - Mafia is scared to post, therefore making excuses to not post It's simply no way Kurumi is even remotedly interested in Trfel's opening post unless the above is true. When i give my opinion on Trfel's posting (he had posted more in between), he says this: This is okay alignment wise i think, i mean i can see it coming from a townie too -- the quote in itself not considering other things. The thing that interests me here is that Trfel is not actually being lazy as he claimed at the start of the game. When i confront this Kurumi says: Now what? Now we should be interested in Trfel because he ISN'T lazy? Basically throughout the game so far Kurumi has been saying: - Trfel is mafia because he is lazy and making excuses for not posting - If that's not true after all he is still mafia because he is actually posting aka, Trfel is mafia if he is not posting or if he is posting. What gives? hard agree On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help. I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later. No contribution so far: Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms) Low-effort/medium activity Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play) Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me Active Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel + Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] + Fecalfeast - 0 raynpelikoneet - 1 Vivax Vivax - 1 GlowingBear classic effortpost that is basically a summary of the thread so far that ends in the same scumread you had all game. with the bonus effort of a votecount. nope gb calling this post the best post in the game and lock town also shows that GB isn't reading or else it would be clear that this is just empty effort On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote HAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha nice. I was obviously not reading before I would scumread myself for this post rn... let me check my pm again... apparently I don't anymore so that's a thing no On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote: This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me. if I pushed someone then i didn't just shitpost and leave It absolutely was. Somehow I /in seconds before I finished writing that I would in but idgttt. I dont got the time tho. I changed pass etc and no word since. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On April 30 2020 09:30 Alakaslam wrote: He seems to be coasting on an easy LHF. I don’t believe the reasons he has raised for scumreading me, and he is one of very few who goes that far (not that I have shined a holy light of townieness, in other words). In that context it just looks scummy to me. You haven't posted any reasons to vote me, you just went from On April 30 2020 04:57 Alakaslam wrote: Sure but there is always wifom; he could know that and pull early legwork so he can coast a bit if he needs to. Or to solidify town credibility and lead mislynches. I do think he is town largely because I agree with him, but I agree with scum a lot so idk. Meanwhile my gut loves to OMGUS on ShoCkeyy. It’s actually quite the motivator but I don’t like the idea of OMGUSing. to On April 30 2020 05:23 Alakaslam wrote: On reflection while I ate lunch. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy Don’t want to lynch the more active player between the two. in like 15 mins... doubt you reflected much. | ||
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Trfel
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