On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote: What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
so why did you ask me about this?
Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend.
Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in.
This is exactly what I thought. This post makes me think Kurumi is town.
On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote: Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them?
Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think.
I don't like this post from Slam, this "I'm town and therefore dont give a shit what people think" seems forced.
On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote: @Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote: You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today
I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.
So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.
##Vote: FF
I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote: Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?
He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.
shit i think we should kill him then
You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.
And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.
Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?
I disagree, Kurumi has committed to the "bad vibes" he had from you, and his thought process is well displayed on the thread. The only part I agree with is that Kurumi didn't question rayn's alignment, but I don't see it as alignment indicative in the early game.
On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote: Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree
Another post from Slam that isn't contributive at all. Just a "could be or couldn't be".
On April 30 2020 10:24 Trfel wrote: Alakaslam, can you explain why you are suspicious of me?
Because you did some stuff that threw my gut off. Earlier it felt intelligent and now it doesn’t but that is largely due to my goldfishlike nature on here. I can’t remember jack except the overall gut feeling over time.
You seem invested though which is good either way. If you are scum, the fact that you are active warrants keeping you in the game because you will show yourself eventually. If you are town, keep playing and you will very likely change my mind. Because you already have started to do so.
On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote: im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting.
Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games?
I can't really see it.
Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit.
The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption.
As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia.
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote: You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today
I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.
So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.
##Vote: FF
I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
oh.
@Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective
On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions?
What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them.
On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread?
I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful.
I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now.
Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.
I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.
No contribution so far:
Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activity
Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)
Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me
Active
Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi
Trfel raynpelikoneet
I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.
And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.
So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.
On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote: im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting.
Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games?
I can't really see it.
Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit.
The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption.
As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia.
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote: You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today
I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.
So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.
##Vote: FF
I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
oh.
@Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective
On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions?
What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them.
On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread?
I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful.
I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now.
This is golden GB and, you literally reference your condition. The condition of your health. Like you taking it for the team right now, U STRONK HOMBOII LIKE SLAVIC MAN
On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.
I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.
No contribution so far:
Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activity
Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)
Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me
Active
Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi
Trfel raynpelikoneet
I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.
And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?
On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.
So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.
On April 30 2020 10:45 Trfel wrote: Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
See Trfel being more town. Dammit I am very confused this game. Because that is spot-on correct 2016 slam meta but living on the island really changed my life. Also getting married contributed to that. So in more recent games, the change should be apparent to him and he suspects this possibility rather than rush into starting a lynch train.
On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote: im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting.
Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games?
I can't really see it.
Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit.
The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption.
As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia.
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote: You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?
Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today
I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.
So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?
Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.
##Vote: FF
I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
oh.
@Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective
On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions?
What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing.
I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them.
On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread?
I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful.
I don't believe in pressure votes when you explicitly say it's a pressure vote. You appear like doing something but you're actually doing nothing. That sounded suspicious about Vivax, and I thought this would make people discuss. I have been sick and didn't play the game until now.
This is golden GB and, you literally reference your condition. The condition of your health. Like you taking it for the team right now, U STRONK HOMBOII LIKE SLAVIC MAN
CYKA BLYAT! I thought you were talking about a possible condition in my head. Like difficulties of understanding and reading and stuff
On April 30 2020 10:45 Trfel wrote: Mostly finished filter diving. Some notable points:
For maybe the first time ever, I actually like Koshi. Surprised, haha.
Why does everyone think Jockmcplop's play was so suspicious? To me it was obviously a joke/pressure vote. I don't understand why it's so bad and blatantly a scummy mistake.
People already pointed out Alakaslam's wishy-washy attitude, it makes me suspicious but it also is the thing that makes me hesitate to scumread him (I know, the irony here is incredible). I want to read a previous Alakaslam game or two later tonight for comparison. Alakaslam is also a ton more serious than I am used to, which if I remember correctly is his tendency when he is mafia. So I am highly suspicious of him (admittedly, mostly due to meta), but I want to double check the meta later.
Fecalfeast just seems to follow thread sentiment and not contribute much. Feels like he is just existing. I find him hard to read, but that all his reads follow thread sentiment is rather interesting.
Really don't know what to make of Kurumi. Going to try to reread his filter.
Alright, things are insteresting, but are they alignment indicative?
I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.
And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?
On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.
So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.
##vote Trfel
Holy wall of text Batman.
You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.)
Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum.
Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to?
I 100% disagree. I don't think Kurumi was being overdefensive, he is just dropping his thought process on his posts and that makes him 100% town.
On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote: So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list.
Why koshi?
That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance.
I would understand if this was the very beginning of day 1 but we have enough information other than dwelling in opening posts. There is nothing alignment indicative in Koshi's opening. Shockey, could you please explain what is this meta about? What consist in "Koshi mafia opening"?
On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.
I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.
No contribution so far:
Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post) Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread) Koshi (no posts at all) Jockmcplop (no posts at all) Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)
Low-effort/medium activity
Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy) Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway) GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)
Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me
Active
Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.) Kurumi
Trfel raynpelikoneet
I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.
And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?
On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip-
However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.
Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.
So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.
This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.
Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass
But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well.
I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.
On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote: Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light.
##unvote: koshi
No way.
##Unvote ##Vote: Jockmcplop
You're mafia.
The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia.
I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion.
I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts.
GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep. ##Vote GB
This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG
It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me.
EPT
What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
