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On April 30 2020 13:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for Shockeyy Slam? He seems to be coasting on an easy LHF. I don’t believe the reasons he has raised for scumreading me, and he is one of very few who goes that far (not that I have shined a holy light of townieness, in other words). In that context it just looks scummy to me. You haven't posted any reasons to vote me, you just went from Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 04:57 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 04:51 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:-snip- Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah -snip- Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Basically, discrediting me instead of committing to defending Trfel. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm..... The effort of making a huge summary this early was quite townie, just seems exactly that: Too early. Btw he reminded me that Grack is in this game. Hey Grack, care to post? Sure but there is always wifom; he could know that and pull early legwork so he can coast a bit if he needs to. Or to solidify town credibility and lead mislynches. I do think he is town largely because I agree with him, but I agree with scum a lot so idk. Meanwhile my gut loves to OMGUS on ShoCkeyy. It’s actually quite the motivator but I don’t like the idea of OMGUSing. to Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 05:23 Alakaslam wrote:
On reflection while I ate lunch.
##Vote: ShoCkeyy
Don’t want to lynch the more active player between the two. in like 15 mins... doubt you reflected much.
Thinking while having Tapas and KimchiJigae is a very stimulating course of action. It can almost be compared to the art of ingesting oolong tea.
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On April 30 2020 13:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 12:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 30 2020 12:21 Trfel wrote:
Lol Fecalfeast xD  Just at the part where you scumread your own post. Not at the whole thing. Sorry if that came across as insulting.
It Did not
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I have class tomorrow for the time before the deadline, so this will likely be my last chance for a deep filter dive. I'll be around for a bit reading filters, let me know if anyone wants to talk. Still deciding who to vote for, these filter dives will hopefully help with that.
I liked Grackaroni's catch-up post, I like how he pointed out Fecalfeast forgetting about the thread somehow after being the first one to post in it. That said, I also liked Fecalfeast's catch-up, it seemed genuine to me (especially admitting that he changed his read completely). And I'm willing to give Alakaslam the benefit of the doubt on the meta points at least, I know that my "meta" has changed a lot over the past few years of infrequent gameplay, it's reasonable that others would experience that as well. I'll try to re-evaluate his play from a non-meta perspective.
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Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline
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On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline Can I ask why?
He feels very disinterested/demotivated this game, but I'm not sure that's quite enough for me to be confident killing him yet.
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On April 30 2020 14:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline Can I ask why? He feels very disinterested/demotivated this game, but I'm not sure that's quite enough for me to be confident killing him yet.
That's the reason and I did not say kill him today
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Though one thing I don't really like about Fecalfeast's play is that it seems to be just throwing suspicion at people. It's one thing to be more focused on scumreads than townreads, but Fecalfeast has seemed willing to cast suspicion anywhere and everywhere. Note that this is primarily before his recent catch-up and update post, it just feels a bit forced though, like he's stretching to make everything look scummy.
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 30 2020 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far
Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote Note that this is kind of a counterexample, where he says he likes Kurumi. On April 30 2020 00:58 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh?  What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? I didn't see this post previously but this seems better than rayns accusation. Also it involves me so it's more interesting by default But then immediately takes it back (at least to some extent?). On April 30 2020 00:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Jock seems opportunistic for the koshi vote and shockkeeeyy seems like he was just throwing shit at the wall and was surprised it stuck On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Following thread sentiment here... Being suspicious of Jockmcplop but not voting him or following up or pushing this. On April 30 2020 04:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote glowingbear
Let's do this And of course, the catch-up post here.
In summary, Fecalfeast seems willing to jump on anyone who's suspicious. He's said something negative about Chezinu, Kurumi, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, and GlowingBear this game already, feels like a lot for the game state and how much he's been invovled. I think it's especially suspect how he jumps on the GlowingBear wagon, there is no prior interest in GlowingBear in his filter and there is no followup either.
I don't know for sure, I like some of Fecalfeast's posts, but this really seems suspicious too. Maybe something to wait on for later? Thoughts?
On April 30 2020 14:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 14:47 Trfel wrote:On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline Can I ask why? He feels very disinterested/demotivated this game, but I'm not sure that's quite enough for me to be confident killing him yet. That's the reason and I did not say kill him today Fair enough, thanks. Noted that you noticed it too 
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I don't have a good read on most of the players here, unfortunately Not really confident about this deadline. Hopefully the deadline process will give more information to work with, though, at least.
I like Fecalfeast's gameplay. Not necessarily that I think he's town, but at least his most recent set of posts, I like for some unknown reason. And this makes me not want to lynch him, even though the logical side of me thinks that him being so suspicious of so many people following the thread sentiment is actually a pretty decent reason to lynch someone
I don't want to lynch Alakaslam today. Even if I don't agree with some of his posts, I can see where he gets his reads from, and it does seem to me like he is trying to figure things out.
Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, and Jockmcplop I don't really want to lynch but also wouldn't have strong feelings if it ended up happening. Potentially add Vivax here, his play feels really flat after the initial convoluted read. It just doesn't have the scumhunting drive I'm used to seeing from Vivax. Him being sick may play a role in this, though. Hoping for a good recovery for Vivax and GlowingBear and any others I may have forgotten who are sick.
Still a few filters to reread, saved the hard ones for last
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On April 30 2020 06:37 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us?
Loss-absorbing capacity among banks is substantially higher as a result of both regulatory requirements and stress testing exercises.
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On April 30 2020 15:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 06:37 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us? Loss-absorbing capacity among banks is substantially higher as a result of both regulatory requirements and stress testing exercises. Can I ask, is there a reason to not help save the economy by throwing off excess baggage that isn't helping? Like perhaps, a player in a mafia game who only talks about banks in a way that seems to have no connection to or investment in the game at hand?
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We live in a world defined by the rapid pace of technological change. As with so many sectors of the economy, technology is transforming the retail banking sector. A digital currency issued by a central bank would be a global target for cyber attacks, cyber counterfeiting, and cyber theft. There is no risk-free path for monetary policy. More regulation is not the best answer to every problem.There is certainly a role for regulation, but regulation should always take into account the impact that it has on markets, a balance that must be constantly weighed.
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On April 30 2020 15:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 15:40 Chezinu wrote:On April 30 2020 06:37 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Jock
Chez what are you trying to tell us? Loss-absorbing capacity among banks is substantially higher as a result of both regulatory requirements and stress testing exercises. Can I ask, is there a reason to not help save the economy by throwing off excess baggage that isn't helping? Like perhaps, a player in a mafia game who only talks about banks in a way that seems to have no connection to or investment in the game at hand?
If the public understands the central bank's views on the economy and monetary policy, then households and businesses will take those views into account in making their spending and investment plans; policy will be more effective as a result. The main long-run contribution monetary policy can make is to provide a stable macroeconomic and financial environment. The success of monetary policy should be judged by the economy's performance against our statutory mandates of price stability and maximum employment.
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On April 30 2020 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Chezinu mafia i think is my last thought before bed time. I should be lucky enough to play before deadline
Yo, Chez, that's the first one, right?
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@GlowingBear, why are you so opposed to people having different reads/opinions than you? I thought you would know that just because people are (potentially) wrong doesn't make them mafia?
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Sorry for the double post...
@Kurumi, if you really thought Vivax's post about Fecalfeast was a good lead at the start of the game, why have you entirely failed to follow up on it?
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Yeah I tried to un-tunnel and review everything else but I still think that Kurumi is the best lynch.
The reasons are the same as before.On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post: Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans. Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before? He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player. shit i think we should kill him then You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game? Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about. And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with. Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts? Kurumi hasn't provided content since then, either. His big summary post looked pretty, but didn't actually have any content; most of it was recounting what had happened in the thread. It shows effort, but not thought, and that's key.
The only people he really showed any thought on in that post were me (Trfel) and raynpelikoneet. We've already been over this and I don't feel like going over it again. You have enough information to make up your mind already. But look at Kurumi's play as a whole, it's very underwhelming. Not a lot of critical thinking, lots of logical gaps, and today (real-time, 24-hour day), he hasn't even really been pushing his reads. For example, if he really was convinced that I was a mafia power role (first off, how would he even know this?), why wouldn't he care to try to get people to lynch me? Or at least share his reasoning why?
I could definitely be wrong, I'm really good at being wrong. Honestly I'm not sure if I'll have enough self-confidence to stick with this vote by end of day, but for now I am going to trust my read. And I'd encourage you to take another look at Kurumi and truly evaluate what he's contributed so far.
##vote Kurumi
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On April 30 2020 16:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Koshi
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Am I missing something, Chez?
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On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi No way. ##Unvote
##Vote: JockmcplopYou're mafia. The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep.
##Vote GB This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me.
it waz joke for many laughs
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On April 30 2020 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh Jock also said something about there being two mafia, but I think it's probably 3 with 12 people.
Also, I really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but:
@Koshi: There's a grammar mistake I've noticed you making fairly frequently for a couple of years now. When you say "Rayn his reads" the english translation would just be "Rayn's reads". I don't know if it's a translation mistake just from writing quickly or something I should point out, but it's pretty easy to correct so I thought I might mention it.
Really? You don't say Rayn his reads? oh lol.
I shall pay attention to that.
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