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On June 09 2015 00:20 Half the Sky wrote: Looks like a newbie bit the dust. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/32696-automated-ban-list-latest-whaturand1944?page=1798#35960 What did he do I can't see the thread? | ||
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On June 10 2015 22:40 Rels wrote: Lame. I thought he made some highly offensive thread. | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote: I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I'm voting you because you did this: On June 12 2015 06:15 ruXxar wrote: I'm happy to confirm that for my first mafia game i get to play VT :D | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote: RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. I don't think it would be productive for town for me to defend ruxxar. He's a big boy. | ||
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Properly used, danger can have an important meaning as a protective measure. Thus heaven has its perilous height protecting it against every attempt at invasion, and earth has its mountains and bodies of water, separating countries by their dangers. Thus also rulers make use of danger to protect themselves against attacks from without and against turmoil within. | ||
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On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote: Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet). I voted against batsnacks. 1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him. 2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves. 3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more. This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol | ||
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1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset. 2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves. 3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it. 4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it. | ||
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On June 12 2015 21:53 Rels wrote: Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier. I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced? | ||
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Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote: So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. | ||
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On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: These are all posts which are defending yourself. What are you talking about. What I meant was that you dont find Moosegoose's post inherently scummy, you only find it scummy through other players actions or inaction. Thats a shitty way of reading people. Has that ever worked for you? I said I was bored. That's where those posts came from, not from a perceived need to defend myself. | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Yeah I sort of just skimmed the whole thing. I'll stick with it though and say moosey can be mafia because his scum mates aren't busing him... Or are they? LOL | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: So you're basing a read off of just "skimming"? Bro, I don't know if you're serious or not but your whole attitude in this game has been super terrible. You're just salty I caught you so easy. | ||
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On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote: You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats) Noob and oats as I said before are good and townie. Idk about rux. | ||
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On June 13 2015 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: You believing that scum bussed him off the bat is almost as bad. Almost. I don't disagree. | ||
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Well everyone else seems to be >.> I think they're trying to lynch me please help. <3 | ||
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On June 13 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: Could you tell me why everyone doesn't like you and why they want to lynch you? I readyour filter though XD I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly. | ||
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On June 13 2015 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I await your explanation as to which posts you deem 'silly' and 'you shouldn't have posted.' All the posts you think are scummy were actually meant in jest and good fun! See you can forget that I'm scummy now and we can hold hands and be friends. | ||
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On June 13 2015 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote: What do you think of geript leaving you off his list? Well his list seemed to be mostly town reads and one bad post call out... Maybe his scum reads are coming next and I'll make that list? Or maybe he just thinks I'm silly and irritating and doesn't want to deal with me. Or maybe we're mafia together and he's scared to draw more attention to us.. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote: You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned. Bolded isn't true at all and you should know it isn't true because you were in the last one. I was a shining paragon of all things that are good and town in the last newbie game. And I think it did something to be because I just can't make it work this game. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote: ~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote: Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:53 scott31337 wrote: What makes you think he's slightly scummy? And if others think he's slight town (like myself, I pointed out his interesting goosebump post) what's it matter? Every one could say X is town and if I don't agree, I'm going to say it. "If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."-Ghandi The worst thing I can find that sulfurus has done was misrepresenting how I played last game which isn't even the worst thing ever because I mislynched sulfurus last game, so he could just have some personal bias. I don't want to lynch geript d1 but if you do then the stuff wave said is probably the best means to accomplish that. I can't add anything new that he hasn't said already and that geript hasn't already responded to. On June 13 2015 05:54 Kickstart wrote: Yeh you are still posting weird to me. Like why would you as an experienced player just resign to having other people defend you or get you out of a lynch. Unless you were mafia and didn't want to give out information. I still think we have another day left btw but I could be completely wrong. mods halp, put a timer in votecounts :D! People in this game are being unreadable and it's making me be crazy. Like yes objectively I am playing poorly but I am suffering from this warped perspective that by playing poorly for a time I can learn more about a game that I would just frustrate me if I were playing well. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:56 geript wrote: @bat. Why do you separate the people you do? You're the one who wants to not get lynched, yet you're not really giving us much. What do you want me to give you? | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:20 geript wrote: Did you realize that plants got replaced by scottleet? I did at one time but the OP hasn't been updated and I was reading filters and yeah.... I guess that would be why plants looks the worst... brb reading scott | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:22 n00bKing wrote: I don't think it's a good sign that whether or not the player you were voting against is scum is something you "don't feel like talking about anymore." But anyway, as far as finding another lynch target... damdred is not really participating much more than boxerfred was. So far, scott is not sounding as suspicious as FakePlants did. So I'll bump him down my list a little. I do not care for the tone of Sulfurus' posts. He would probably be my #2 lynch right now. The stuff you were talking about was really boring. Like really, really boring. I still think you can't scum me for any of the advice I gave early game it was all fine and stuff I would say as any alignment. Look I can prove my advice was good: I didn't follow my own advice and now I'm leading in votes! | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:26 geript wrote: Newer players. Here's a hint. Just because someone isn't posting, doesn't make it malicious. People have real lives and we aren't all artificial intelligences perusing the interwebs and spending time doing random things like playing mafia on the interwebs. Being not around =/= being mafia in an of itself. It's an ok reason to supplement actual reasons for finding someone to be mafia. But in and of itself being not around doesn't make people mafia. Oh yeah I forgot about that. All the people who were saying that you leaving the thread was scummy are wrong. I think wave was one of them; the other stuff he said was okay though. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:58 geript wrote: lol batsnacks would lynch himself It wouldn't be the first time... | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Like I might be a little insulted actually. Go look at my post history and show me the 'other areas' I post. 1v1 me in mafia. Let's find out if he's right. | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote: Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:49 Trfel wrote: Batsnacks, any thoughts on Rels? He made a case on plants that wasn't optimal. I thought plants was scummy for the short duration he/she was in the game but the focus of Rels' case was the excuse plants gave, which was not the scummiest part of plant's post. That has been most of Rels contribution to the game. | ||
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On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote: Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot). The "lie" is not alignment indicative I think. Plant's single generic advice/non-contribution post and then leaving is. It is hard to believe a townie begins the game by reading the thread, calling out a person for saying lying could be good (easiest call out ever), not drawing any conclusions what-so-ever and prompt leaving. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:02 n00bKing wrote: So you are 4th on your own lynch list? lol If you have a PM saying you are Town, and still would be content to lynch yourself, I guess your posts must look REALLY scummy to you! If I have any hesitation about seeing you lynched, it would be that I actually like how a lot (not all, but a lot) of your list shakes out, including your placement near the top. I would help! But some dude named batsnacks told me to let other players defend themselves. :D They're not in any specific order and I made that list in like 30 seconds and yes I would lynch me I am one of the scummier players in the game, though historically I have only ever lynched myself as town so this is a point in my favor. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Rels 1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler + 1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.OK I finally found a mafia. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler + Fake)Plants only had one post. Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote: Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. 4. Hasn't re-evaluated his read on plants now that scott has replaced, which one would think would be a high priority for him. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote: I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that? Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:33 Rels wrote: Cause in my head at least one of you has to be mafia. Because I was suspecting moosy lightly, but the two people voting for him are doing so for reasons I don't agree with. No one ever even voted moose!!! | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote: Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: No no no, let him make his case. Not only am I completely willing to vote for geript and for you if I have to, but you've halfheartedly attempted a case on me, and geript was the first one to point me out and he made some points against you. We're completely a team. ^.^ Well this team sucks and I'm quitting. I'm joining a new team that doesn't have either you OR geript on it. | ||
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Oatsmaster (0): ruXxar (0): Kickstart (0): Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, Geript Batsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster Fake)Plants (1): Rels Geript (1): WaveofShadow Rels (1): batsnacks Not Voting (4): MoosyDoosy Sulfurus boxerfred Fake)Plants Currently Batsnacks is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Remember to vote in the voting thread THE DEADLINE IS IN at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote: First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone. Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely. Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote: Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right. I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much. You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster. | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy. | ||
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On June 13 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote: And you only started doing this once you started getting voted, and while your posts are numerous, they don't have that much content. Don't you wound me like that I have been getting plenty done. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote: If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. My town play that game was magnificent. And why does the fact that it's me saying it mean anything at all? Words are words you either like the words or you don't it doesn't matter who says the words. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote: If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!! | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote: Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. Maybe the fact that you are pressured so much makes you not think. Did you hard vote Sulfu, or was that a OMGUS sort of vote ? It doesn't matter since you appear to agree with the vote??? And no sulfur didn't do anything like this last game sulfur was not on anyone's radar seriously until the end of the game. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote: And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter. Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too. But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it. I have gotten more done than almost the entire game combined, certainly more than you. You have... pushed easy lynch plants and responded to Trfel's case and... that's about all. If I wasn't posting so much the game would be <25% of the current length. Also why damdred? I wish damdred were posting he would tell you to stop voting me because it is literally impossible for me to play this way as mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote: Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night: Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town). Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games. I have been playing TL mafia for a -long- time, only 1 mod on this site (and I don't even know if he's still a mod) knows how long. I have no idea how many times I've rolled scum. Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up. | ||
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On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours. Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat. I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia. This thread is gonna get destroyed if I'm the leading wagon tomorrow. GNIGHT SRSLY NOW. | ||
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I don't see myself unvoting sulfurus he has gone on to misrepresent my play last game 3 times now and is using his misrepresentations of my play as an excuse to vote me. If Damdred, geript and wave could start posting immediately that would be nice too. Especially damdred. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote: And now you are scumreading people just because they think you are mafia??? Stop being a pain in the ass. This is why kickstart hates you. I said I scumread sulfurus because he is lying about how I played last game and using his lies to justify voting me. His number one reason for voting me is that he thinks he can scum read me because I'm playing similarly to last game. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=batsnacks | ||
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That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today. Yes you are guilty of the same I should have included you too. I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else, certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: am I confusing something? sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree. Someone's confusing something that's for sure: On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote: You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote: But you dont want to convince me or Trfel? Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia. So that does not include fluff and defensive posts. I'm not quoting my filter for you. I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im pretty sure bats is mafia. If bats was town, he would say "tunneling me for 70% of the day", not "a town for 70%". Stop being dumb. I don't even like calling people dumb but this is the dumbest confirmation biased-est thing I've ever seen you post. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote: The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now. I really dont know what you think you are trying to do. Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote: So he isnt lying, hes just incompetent. In his explanation, he says that he was convinced because of his townreads scumreading you. And hes the top scumread, you hardly need to push him more. Who else is mafia? Right now Rels looks like mafia I still think Trfel's case was really good. Geript/damdred could be mafia especially if their posting doesn't pick up before deadline. I am especially skeptical of damdred because he should know I'm town and right now he's just not playing and letting a townie get lynched. | ||
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The claim isn't scummy it's just not optimal. On June 13 2015 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, when did you townread Trfel? Trfel starts being townie after this post: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote: I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. (bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvote I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. Third party. His re-evaluating the ruxxar read and moving on to pressure others was good. I actually called him out about 15 seconds prior and he ninja'ed me with this post. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote: So instead of explain why its "not optimal", your best way of explaining was the vote the dude? When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats? dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest. I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim! On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote: I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:
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On June 13 2015 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: You did. voting thread doesnt count. If we didnt have a voting thead, you wouldve voted. Answer the question. Also, what logical fallacy? That you are useless and are not helping town at all, that you constantly complain about getting scumread and you do nothing but scumread the person everyone else thinks is mafia? Sure, logical fallacy. You would lynch geript? Bolded = completely wrong, I'm disappointed that you would even say that. Also yes, sure, logical fallacy. You're scum reading me for a bad opening. It's now 48 hours later and I'm engaging you more than anyone has engaged anyone this game. You saw my bad opening, correctly scum read me for it, and now your perspective has been warped to believe everything I say is either bad or scummy. It's not. If I'm mafia then town is fucked because that means that mafia cares more about this game then town does. I would be happy to talk about a geript lynch. Why is geript scummier than e.g. sulfurus or ME? | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice. geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot. Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that. The bolded is just my opinion man. But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts. I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think. I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now. Your opinion is wrong. I started the wagon: On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote: I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous. Thank you for bringing that up. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol that doesnt count please. Can you expand on Rels mafia? Cause while his posts are not great, they seem well intentioned enough. It absolutely counts I was the first person in the game to say sulfurus is scummy. I can't expand on Rels mafia beyond what Trfel has already said better than I could. I don't know what "well intentioned enough" means in the context of what someone's alignment is. Also I read geript's filter and have concluded he hasn't contributed to the game yet. The most substantial thing in there was what happened at the very start of the day and that has been hashed and rehashed enough times. There are some bizarre free townreads in there too e.g. oats and damdred. I don't disagree that oats is town but I don't think oats is town because of the vt thing that geript said. Geript is at the very least a better lynch than me. | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: lol everyone is a better lynch than you bats, even me. well intentioned means that it feels like Rels is trying to find mafia. Not very well but still. Every other post of yours is bad bats. ... I know you are but what am I? | ||
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Right now you think the best lynch for d1 is the person who cares the most about the game and has put in more effort than anyone else. If I'm town than an outside observer is probably looking at you (and oats) and thinking "what the literal fuck are these people doing?" Even if I'm mafia the same outside observer is thinking... "yeah bats is mafia but still... what the literal fuck are these people doing?" How do you expect to win by lynching the person who put forth the most effort d1? | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats like the worst argument in existence. No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while. | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument. So you got that going for you Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game. | ||
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No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary. This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads. | ||
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Page 2 [half] of geript's filter isn't pushing any agenda except for the reasonless list post where he says rux/sulfur is who we should lynch. I want to wait and see if either of them post again. | ||
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On June 14 2015 02:22 geript wrote: Yay. People want to be stupid and lynch me again. This shit so tiring. I don't think stupidity is the primary reason people want to lynch you. | ||
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(this is general advice that you don't have to read but that I think would benefit you if you're interested. you don't have to read it.) + Show Spoiler + When you make a case you should present the condensed version first, then if you're asked to flesh it out you can do that later. Look at Trfel's case on Rels. That is an example of a highly effective case. You shouldn't just do play by play commentary on posts in someone's filter. A good case doesn't have to be long and a huge number of quotes just makes it look padded. | ||
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On June 14 2015 02:48 geript wrote: Stupidity. Not thinking. Relatively the same thing. I mean you haven't given people a lot to think about so they might not be entirely at fault. | ||
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On May 24 2015 07:04 cakepie wrote: ~ Final Vote Count ~ scott31337 (6) : Rels, disformation (3) : Barakos, plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, 27ninjabunnies (1) : batsnacks (1) : Bill Murray (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : sicklucker (0) : Sulfurus (0) : Not voting (1) : scott31337 Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! + Show Spoiler [Details] +
On May 27 2015 07:01 -Celestial- wrote: ~ Final Vote Count ~ Bill Murray (5) : 27ninjabunnies (4) : sicklucker (2) : Barakos (0) : batsnacks (0) : Currently, Bill Murray is set to be lynched! + Show Spoiler [Details] +
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On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote: I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later. For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town). My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow. ##Vote: Batsnacks This is sulfur when he's town. | ||
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On June 14 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote: I just looked at Sulfurus's filter from Newbie Student Mafia X. He was lynched Day 3, with only two pages of filter. When the pressure was on him, me barely responded at all. I just don't feel comfortable reading him. It's not just trying to tell newbie from scum, the complete lack of posts makes it a complete nightmare. I'd rather take a Day 1 lynch that isn't a shot in the dark. I really would appreciate it if geript answered my question to him here. Look at the content of his posts in that game though. They're actually pretty dense and show signs of critical thinking. There are like 10 reads crammed into the post I quoted and color coded. | ||
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On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player) If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up. 1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts. In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread. 2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point. Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out. 3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught. He's not doing this here. Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads. Leave the bats alone This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense. That read is excellent which is why damdred qualifies it with "don't use it again." | ||
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On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote: Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. I'll sheep Trfel. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote: I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote: It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:10 batsnacks wrote: So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote: Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote: I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler + Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote: It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: batsnacks I understand your trap. ^.^ Just saying we'll see how right it is after we get him. If me, you, and WaveofShadow are right about getrip and Trfel is right about Rels, that's two of the Mafias. If geript is mafia, and he is... now that he slipped a lot of his filter makes more sense especially the "I don't think any vets are mafia" comment. Anyway if geript is mafia Rels is almost certainly town. geript knows Rels is town and would sheep a case on him anyway. That's what makes him mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? He's just projecting... the trainwreck is him. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:55 geript wrote: Lol. I'm pretty sure stupid was the right word originally. You have to be to think that I either scumslip ever OR that my response was a scumslip. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go play games because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted in a game ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:56 geript wrote: I've really been trying to be much nicer when I play, but there's a serious lack a brain cells if that argument catches on. You're leading in votes by a large majority, also my previous post still applies here. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:58 geript wrote: I'd bother to try, but if that's the type of argument that's going to be espoused then I'd rather get lynched and laugh at the mix of stupid that's gone around. I'd probably say the same thing or at least something similar in your position so no hard feelings here. | ||
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On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote: Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are. Lynch Rels or Sulf next Ok | ||
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On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote: Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level. Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time. Dude the emo card doesn't work here. You made a massive contradiction that makes you look terrible. Why not be a man and own up to your mistakes (like I did with my opening) rather than just flinging shit at people? | ||
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On June 13 2015 15:38 Sulfurus wrote: I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town. And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all. n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game? | ||
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On June 15 2015 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: So many facepalms. I guess ruxxar isn't scum, can't see why scum would bther post in thread revealing they know a potential blue outed himself. Ugh. Consider protection tonight accordingly, doctor This is a blunder from either alignment caused by a lack of game understanding. Either alignment can make this mistake. | ||
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On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote: That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was. (P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol) BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies. Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot. | ||
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On June 15 2015 03:07 n00bKing wrote: Well your green check was worth crap, huh? I will admit that I was not completely sure bunnies was scum. But I was still leaning scum, despite the green check. I was, however, completely sure Bill Murray was town. (Considerably more sure than I was that geript was Town in this game, where I made multiple attempts to save him from the noose.) Anyway, I'm going to bail on that discussion too, because it's another one that I don't think is proving to be productive, for purposes of THIS game. 1) What was your purpose for asking me the question? it's not like you were going to get me to select boxerfred as my Newbie X doppelganger. 2) I also don't think you're going to try and say that I do not have quite a few posts in this game that are "focused on finding mafia"? I think you would find a whole lot of posts in my filter that revolve around using what has happened, and what's been said, to determine a player's alignment. And any time you can determine a player's alignment, it contributes to finding mafia. I stopped reading your posts at the very start of the game and I don't think I'm alone in that. I did the same thing to boxerfred last game and boxerfred was mafia. I just assumed boxerfred was town because he posted a lot and appeared to be thinking critically about the nonsense he was posting, even though none of it helped town. You can be more useful by never mentioning roles again until someone claims. | ||
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On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. On June 14 2015 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote: What the fuck does 'a player of my calibre' have to do with being present in thread, even IF 'a player of my calibre' even meant anything? lol | ||
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Chronological order: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote: If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote: Town lean Trfel Sulfu Oats ruxxar On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote: Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote: I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote: If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu. ##Vote geript | ||
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On June 15 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote: Bats Bats Bats. Good job getting yourself killed tonight. Sheeping you and trfel l. Besides that do you think,makes soul his partner or just a town he tied to push on I think the evidence against Rels works regardless of sulfu's alignment. For a while sulfu was looking like he was going to be the lynch... he probably would have been if it weren't for the geript 'slip.' | ||
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On June 15 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote: I agree regardless of alignment. I need to look at context was his subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building? I haven't checked but that's what it seems like. | ||
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On June 15 2015 05:52 ruXxar wrote: I must say I don't trust them very much after your last performance on geript... Brother You sheeped me. HARD. | ||
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On June 15 2015 05:58 n00bKing wrote: He sure did. And you can understand no one ever wanting to make THAT mistake again. That's not how it works. | ||
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On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote: Hmm. I'll just leave this right here: You sure you know what the cop is for? | ||
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On June 15 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote: I thought I did, but I missed completely. I went on mafiascum wiki and read some play advice. I was pretty off target -_-. Whaat??? What exactly did you think the cop did? | ||
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On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote: Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip: On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote: This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks. Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this. | ||
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On June 15 2015 09:38 ruXxar wrote: That case is for a totally different context and doesn't apply here. Choosing to lynch someone is a totally different context from lying about your role. And I'm curious to hear his reasons still so please. Sulfur will you explain? I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone. | ||
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On June 15 2015 10:10 ruXxar wrote: I did not realize it was a bad read at the time, The problem was that the night started so early that I didn't really have time to digest your motivations for making that read. Anyhow like I said, not making hasty decisions like that again. If you consider it a mistake, you knew it was a bad read at the time. A townie in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "I made the best choice I could have in the moment with the information I had." Mafia in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "That read was bad, I'm glad I could so easily sheep it. I will now push mafia agenda further by discrediting town batsnacks based on his read that I knew was bad." | ||
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I'm saying you said (twice) that sulfur's vote was not alignment indicative because he did the same thing last game to SL and breshke. Then you went back and said it is alignment indicative and points against him. | ||
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On June 15 2015 23:19 Rels wrote: Kickstart I think the guy is mafia for these reasons: 1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it. 2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote: Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo. And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again. And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point. On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows. I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case. Thoughts? 3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it. + Show Spoiler + First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote: Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote: First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though. Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00. Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though. 4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote: Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads. @king Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum? 5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote: Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well. On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote: Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot. Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what. On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote: First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though. Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00. Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though. On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: meant to go ahead and vote. ##Vote Rels On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier. On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote: Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Conclusion: Mafia What happened to moose and Scott? | ||
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I don't consider this relevant because I feel like I understand what you were trying to say anyway but... It could also be "safer" because since there is more evidence for Rels, there will be less suspicion your way if he flips town. Compared to if you lynched hypothetical town sulfurus for (relatively) less evidence. | ||
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On June 16 2015 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: Lol, which is not what I was trying to say, say no. Sometimes human beings accidentally reveal their intentions with their word choices. But it seriously doesn't matter you could have afked all day today and still not been the lynch. | ||
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On June 16 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote: Wait.... what??? The amount of content that Rels put out is just insane.... and while I don't like all of his points, he does raise some good points (particularly some of the ones against scott31337). I don't really like his response to batsnacks' case, but if he is scum, it's really impressive that he would go through all that work when he seemed to be completely doomed. ##unvote You should read that thing I said about ruxxar being mafia because he voted me for 99% of d1 only to sheep me hard at the last second on a town wagon for reasons that he considers bad and a mistake. Then you should vote ruxxar because he's probably the best lynch. | ||
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On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote: It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them. We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him. What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing. That's not a very towny perspective now is it? Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched. | ||
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On June 16 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote: I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs." We all saw how that worked out with geript. Look how the mafia continues to discredit the read that he sheeped. Please take note newbies. | ||
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On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote: Just to make it clear to everyone. I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution. However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week. Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. | ||
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On June 16 2015 05:48 ruXxar wrote: He's nitpicking on a word that was supposedly a "slip" from me. I'm not nitpicking. Pairing yourself with wave by saying OUR is not something town needs to or thinks to do. Wave isn't just making that up. Then you fling suspicion at him in the same post? | ||
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On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount? How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote: Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia. This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur. | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote: Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no? Basically what wave said. Association is bad and you are scummy regardless of sulfur's alignment. I don't need to know sulfur's alignment to know that you're probably mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote: If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad. I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? | ||
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ARE YOU SERIOUS??? On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote: Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no? Basically what wave said. | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote: Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia? I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki. It means you have too much information about the alignments of other players i.e. there is no way you should be confident in sulfur's alignment if you are town because sulfur has not provided enough information to make that determination. You especially should not be confident enough to risk your place in the game for sulfur. A common mafia tell is giving out townreads for unsound reasons. | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: I found my reasons to be very sound. I imagined myself in sulfurus position, and not in a million years would I have made that same play that he has as mafia. Well your reasons aren't sound. The best case for sulfurus being town is him defending Rels when voting Rels would have been more likely to save him, and I was the first to point this out. The problem with this is that doing this does not help him as either alignment. If sulfurus is town then he should be more confident in his own alignment than Rels' alignment, so he should vote Rels so save himself. | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Why is bring wrong a negative exactly? I think Rels reads on me are less interesting than anything that's happening with ruxxar. | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote: I'm mafia remember? Actually here's a thought I'm thinking that's totally unrelated. Wave barely calls me out in most of hi postings besides being disappointed to an extent. However He keeps bringing attention to sul at points and says l tt inch the person not playing the game. Why then am,I not the primary push. I have played much less than anyone in,the game currently yet not pushed. Its an interesting observation. And rux is obviously tmi Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious. | ||
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That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Bu then....doesn't that make him scummy according to you? Yeah. If damdred is mafia it's for buddying me and contributing as little as possible. I like my case on ruxxar better though. kickstart and sulfurus also look worse. This game is harder when people don't play. | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote: Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1. ##Unvote ##Vote Sulfuras Why should we waste a hypothetical cop check on you? Why not use the hypothetical cop check on a scummy person who's actually playing? | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:11 Kickstart wrote: Eh didnt look at role possibilities. There are still better lynches than me regardless. So? | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok found it. Ultimately I think there are other people doing similar things that looks worse. When Trfel does post I have generally been liking it. You know him pretty well though, yes? there anything specifically meta-related here? Im curious. I've played a few games with town Trfel and this is what I'm used to seeing. The strong cases especially and low activity otherwise. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote: Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337? I'll talk to you trfel. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote: Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337? I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote: He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find. Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something? | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote: If he's town, presumably to make sure that if you were scum, you wouldn't see it and then use a Bat Trap? Alternatively, he could have just done that to pocket me.... and it worked, darn it. I don't understand why mafia scott is trying to pocket you of all people with an obscure yet highly accurate meta read on me. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:42 Trfel wrote: It was while I was voting for you, and while scott31337 was not. I guess you're right, it's not really important. Kickstart is probably a better lynch. I just got really mad at the thought of getting pocketed like that. Would still like to see a response from scott31337, though, as he certainly isn't cleared. I need to go, I'll look through ruXxar's filter tonight. Not sure if bolded is directed at me but I don't think I said or implied that anywhere. | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote: Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia. the two sentiments don't make sense. Yeah maybe this | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote: Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia. the two sentiments don't make sense. Actually I think wave is right sulfur is saying he'll vote kick to save a townie but that oats is the mafia we should be scared of. Which is borderline unanalyzeable and I'm sure wave is right about sulfur disappearing again. | ||
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So let's lynch ruxxar it will be fun because he's mafia. | ||
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It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case. | ||
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On June 17 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Oooo I dunno ruxxar throwing shit at me Omgus makes me wanna switch lol idk the thought crossed my mind when you and damdred unvoted KS, less so for damdred cause he hadn't been feeling it for longer. Kinda weird but whatever. | ||
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On June 17 2015 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets) Oats does the same thing every game regardless of alignment. | ||
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On June 17 2015 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Bats I'm not votingnhim if he's afk But you'll vote afk sulfurus > | ||
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On June 17 2015 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Plz bats that's not the same thing and you knownit Yeah. This sulfur wagon looks great next to the kickstart wagon anyway. As long as we don't have two towns here this should be fine. | ||
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On May 30 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote: Thank you guys so much! I truely believe we have a good shot at the GF with this lynch. This is town sulfurus right before he's about to get lynched in newbie student mafia X. | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'd just like to remind everyone of n00bKing's epitaph. Keep that in mind. The info from d2 is much more valuable. The Rels/kickstart wagons are a goldmine. | ||
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On June 17 2015 21:36 Rels wrote: True. It seems super extreme. I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not. It's not. He was defending sulfurus early d1. | ||
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On June 17 2015 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Why did the ruxxar wagon not materialize? Because he actually posted things unlike the other two wagons. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide. Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases. Did you just imply you are mafia and that when you flip people will suspect me for teaching you how to make pita pizzas? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: I was telling you to shut up because you were right. pita pizzas are dank | ||
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I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on. | ||
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Sulfur spends more time d1 townreading ruxx than he does doing anything else. The only think that comes close is pushing my lynch. This could mean that ruxxar is town. | ||
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Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town. Scott on the other hand does not make an appearance in sulfur's filter until 10 minutes before sulfur is about to be lynched. I am starting to like the possibility of sulfur attempting to wifom Scott/oats. Sulfur's read on Damdred is also suspicious. | ||
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K now I'm about to possibly get controversial. Re-reading sulfur's filter again, oats is town. I will show you why with sulfur's oats case: On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote: K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town. | ||
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Batsnacks Oats Ruxxar Rels Kickstart Wave Mafia is: Scott Damdred If I need to I will make a meta case on Damdred. Did I miss anyone? | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. You should really read what I said. Unless there's someone I missed I'm considering this game solved. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:54 Rels wrote: batsnacks is your vote of scott only from POE ? Yes. I think my POE is strong. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:06 Rels wrote: OK so the only way scott has to defend himself is to convince you that someone you think townie is suspicious right ? Scott shouldn't waste his time appealing to me, I won't stop voting him for the rest of the game. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I have a problem with this personally. It makes perfect sense to me for this reason exactly. Damdred could simply be playing the 'solo' mafia and pocketing specific players. A hard defense of a player when no one else is out for it fits the bill pretty well. Especially given that it's the 'strong' players. Did the same for batsnacks. I actually think Damdred might be scum here. Sitting back completely flying under the radar is NOT how Damdred plays, I just played a game where he was town and I was scum and it was not like this. I also still need to hear back from Oats regarding my earlier question. As far as the wagon on Scott I'm not sure how I feel about it. Did you read my posts? I thought they were pretty compelling. | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:57 scott31337 wrote: Exactly Your response was awful btw, not there was necessarily was a correct response which is why I said not to bother. I get that you have to play to your win condition and not just flat out say "I'm mafia." When you are trying to create a compelling response to someone who believes they have strong evidence against you, telling them that you don't see any evidence at all is never going to be productive. Obviously I believe I have strong evidence against you, if it is in fact weak you wouldn't have any problem convincing everyone but me that I'm wrong, which is the approach you should take: convincing others that my evidence is not as strong as I think it is. Anyway none of this is relevant for this game because you will get lynched today and I'm confident enough that you're mafia that no defense you could ever give will ever be enough. Maybe this will be useful to you in the future though. | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:34 Trfel wrote: Despite your conclusion, this is a bad argument. It's an excellent argument. Mafia sulfur is never hard defending two townies from mafia trfel. | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:44 batsnacks wrote: It's an excellent argument. Mafia sulfur is never hard defending two townies from mafia trfel. ebwop ESPECIALLY day 1. | ||
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On June 19 2015 22:34 ruXxar wrote: Do you have any more pro tips on food? 1. Put ramen in bowl 2. Put scrambled egg on ramen 3. Put bowl under coffee maker; 2 cups of water 4. Stir in flavor Optional: make grilled cheese with iron Hotel food that doesn't cost 50$ per meal. | ||
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"ALSO" Damdred hasn't flipped in either game. wot is goin on? | ||
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You weren't talking about his alignment. Ok that makes 100000x more sense. But yeah we're not allowed to talk about ongoing games. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote: There's also something I'm waiting for that's likely to happen later in the day. Consider the Bat Trap™ set. Tell me! I promise I won't spoil it. | ||
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On June 20 2015 04:30 Damdred wrote: It doesn't make oats town imo, its just a classic distancing technique a good bit of scum will use. Anyway you just acting dumb now bats It's possible I'm wrong. Disagree that I'm being dumb. I'm not even kynching you today you have 72 whole hours. | ||
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On June 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote: Kk sounds good anyway tonight/tommorow I should be able to do a good bit of work here's the progress I made in more or less chronological order:
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Completely disregarding meta, scott/damdred are still my votes. It seems unnecessary. And I actually did explain it once this game earlier on. | ||
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On June 20 2015 06:43 Rels wrote: Alright I feel you, lost all motivation doing a proper scott case when he's going to be lynched anyway. Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious. Yeah. If damdred is mafia it's for buddying me and contributing as little as possible. | ||
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Rather than "hey bats do you have anything else?" or "bats your POE sucks please completely change all of your opinions and perspectives because I don't like them" or "bats is unreachable, I will just ignore him" why not respond to anything I said with reason? | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah and since nothing has changed at all in your PoE even though you were clearly wrong on Scott, what I responded with originally still stands: I did not say that every time sulf defended someone it makes them town. I would take your responses more seriously if you were responding to things I actually said instead of making huge, sweeping, wrong generalizations about what I said. I said trfel is likely not mafia because sulfur defended rux and rels from him d1 and I said that oats is likely not mafia because sulfur scum read him for attacking n00b and Rels. That is not the same as townreading everyone that sulfur defended. | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, but you clearly missed the point of what I said. Your reasons are seemingly based on whatever your specific ideals are for how Sulfurus played his game when in reality you don't know exactly how he played. In all of your PoE analysis you essentially assume that Sulfurus does not bus anyone, and never townreads fellow scum mates so only those people omitted from most of his posting entirely must be scum. If you don't see why that's faulty even after Scott got lynched than by all means continue, but don't expect me or anyone else to listen to you any further. Sulfur's first post about you was a town read. Sulfur scum leans on damdred several times. So you're still just making huge, sweeping, wrong generalizations about my POE. It's not important to me whether or not people listen to me. Not one person has responded to a single thing I said in my POE reads. I'm happy to lead a horse to water it's not my problem if it won't drink. | ||
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<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver. | ||
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On June 23 2015 08:25 geript wrote: You're a fucking idiot. Like not even joking I'm policy lynching/shooting you from now on because you're literally only helpful to mafia. There wasn't a misunderstanding of my words. Stop lying. You flat out argued that I slipped that Sulf was maf and Ruxxar or whoever was town. You did that when Wave made an exceptionally similar post. There's not a misunderstanding there. There's just you pushing me for dumbass reasons and people buying dumbass reasons. Also, I'm not defending myself. I'm pointing out how fucking stupid the D1 lynch was. Not even joking, the only worse lynch that I can think of off the top of my head was in the old newbie games where town lynched an unCC'd medic. Why should I defend myself from an argument that literally only idiots would listen to? There's no point. Because if people are buying it, then there's no way I can save myself because I'm surrounded by idiots. So seriously dude. Fuck you. Like I thought that you were a somewhat decent player before; clearly I was exceptionally wrong. If the reasons were as dumbass as you claim then it shouldn't have been a problem not getting lynched. The "slip" wasn't the only reason people were voting you. This post would have saved you btw: On June 23 2015 07:58 geript wrote: It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia. Why you chose to post this now and not when it would have mattered... I'm not sure. I can guess why. I would guess it's because you wanted to be lynched for "dumbass" reasons so that you can validate yourself. In a newbie game. | ||
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The lynch is still your fault though. I'm only 1 vote and it was only 1 post... and prior to that post I was pretty much the most scum read person in the game. | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:14 geript wrote: Some town do Oats. Not many. But I could see Wave being town on that reaction and I've played with him more than most. Hey geript, you wanna join tl mafia LXXI: Gaiden? It will be a lot of fun it's a big game. | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:16 geript wrote: Still failing at reading and thinking hunh bats? I'm not sure about that but it will be lots of fun! There's like almost 30 people in that game you'll -barely- notice I'm there. And I think it will be good for you to squash this beef. | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:20 geript wrote: You realize I'm going to lynch you on D1 for being useless to town right? The game hasn't started yet so your claims about what you will/won't do d1 are purely wifom and can not be trusted. Just join you'll have a good time and maybe if your ass is still sore enough you can get me lynched d1. Anything is possible! | ||
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