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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 08 2015 16:13 GMT
#78
/in/replace
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 13:26 GMT
#108
My bad didn't realize there was room for me.

/confirm
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 13:35 GMT
#110
On June 09 2015 00:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Looks like a newbie bit the dust.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/32696-automated-ban-list-latest-whaturand1944?page=1798#35960


What did he do I can't see the thread?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 14:01 GMT
#112
On June 10 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +

Savant.GL was just banned by KadaverBB.

That account was created on 2012-07-20 18:09:24 and had 502 posts.

Reason: Please stick to your other account when that ban runs out. You don't need two of them


Lame. I thought he made some highly offensive thread.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2015 22:47 GMT
#140
##vote ruXxar
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2015 23:13 GMT
#148
On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet.

I'm voting you because you did this:
On June 12 2015 06:15 ruXxar wrote:
I'm happy to confirm that for my first mafia game i get to play VT :D
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2015 23:42 GMT
#164
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2015 23:45 GMT
#166
5. Don't lie.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2015 23:57 GMT
#173
On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote:
5. Don't lie.

RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me.

Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch.


I don't think it would be productive for town for me to defend ruxxar. He's a big boy.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 00:36 GMT
#175
Through repetition of danger we grow accustomed to it. Water sets the example for the right conduct under such circumstances. It flows on and on, and merely fills up all the places through which it flows; it does not shrink from any dangerous spot nor from any plunge, and nothing can make it lose its own essential nature. It remains true to itself under all conditions. Thus likewise, if one is sincere when confronted with difficulties, the heart can penetrate the meaning of the situation. And once we have gained inner mastery of a problem, it will come about naturally that the action we take will succeed. In danger all that counts is really carrying out all that has to be done.

Properly used, danger can have an important meaning as a protective measure. Thus heaven has its perilous height protecting it against every attempt at invasion, and earth has its mountains and bodies of water, separating countries by their dangers. Thus also rulers make use of danger to protect themselves against attacks from without and against turmoil within.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:16 GMT
#292
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:

@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?

Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet).

I voted against batsnacks.

1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him.
2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves.
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.



This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:25 GMT
#293
I'm bored

1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset.
2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves.
3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it.

4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:44 GMT
#295
I think plant's post is scummy but I don't exactly agree with the reasons you made, especially the IRL wifom. The post comes off to me as "Blah say something obvious, forced contribution vomit."
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 13:12 GMT
#298
On June 12 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:
Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier.


I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 13:23 GMT
#304
The guide was meant for people who are so inexperienced they haven't figured out that power roles claiming early in the game is not good. Seriously though it's all good advice. Find 1 person you think is scum, say why, go through motions, re-evaluate based on responses, repeat if necessary.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 13:32 GMT
#306
>.>

Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 13:54 GMT
#308
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 15:49 GMT
#315
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:01 GMT
#320
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:05 GMT
#327
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:08 GMT
#333
On June 13 2015 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 22:23 batsnacks wrote:
The guide was meant for people who are so inexperienced they haven't figured out that power roles claiming early in the game is not good. Seriously though it's all good advice. Find 1 person you think is scum, say why, go through motions, re-evaluate based on responses, repeat if necessary.

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On June 12 2015 21:25 batsnacks wrote:
I'm bored

1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset.
2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves.
3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it.

4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 21:16 batsnacks wrote:
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:

@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?

Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet).

I voted against batsnacks.

1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him.
2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves.
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.



This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol

These are all posts which are defending yourself. What are you talking about.

What I meant was that you dont find Moosegoose's post inherently scummy, you only find it scummy through other players actions or inaction.
Thats a shitty way of reading people. Has that ever worked for you?


I said I was bored. That's where those posts came from, not from a perceived need to defend myself.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:12 GMT
#340
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.


Yeah I sort of just skimmed the whole thing. I'll stick with it though and say moosey can be mafia because his scum mates aren't busing him... Or are they? LOL
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:22 GMT
#348
On June 13 2015 01:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:12 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.


Yeah I sort of just skimmed the whole thing. I'll stick with it though and say moosey can be mafia because his scum mates aren't busing him... Or are they? LOL

So you're basing a read off of just "skimming"? Bro, I don't know if you're serious or not but your whole attitude in this game has been super terrible.


You're just salty I caught you so easy.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:42 GMT
#354
Hi Scott!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:47 GMT
#356
Oats is a pita but his intentions are good so I like him. I think kickstart will like him more once he understands oats more.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:53 GMT
#357
Noob's fluff was indeed fluffy but I think he is being genuine. I don't think mafia noob is going to start his first game all gun hoe about giving town weird advices.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 16:58 GMT
#358
Wow where did everyone go? You were all super excited a few minutes ago?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 17:11 GMT
#361
Scott please tell me you don't actually believe, even a little bit, that me moose and geript are the mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 17:14 GMT
#363
On June 13 2015 02:13 scott31337 wrote:
You have three votes Bats, how do you feel about those people? (N00b, ruxxar, Oats)


Noob and oats as I said before are good and townie. Idk about rux.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 17:20 GMT
#367
On June 13 2015 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On June 13 2015 02:11 batsnacks wrote:
Scott please tell me you don't actually believe, even a little bit, that me moose and geript are the mafia.

You believing that scum bussed him off the bat is almost as bad.
Almost.


I don't disagree.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 17:42 GMT
#377
Hi Damdred! You're going to be mad at me I'm sorry in advance.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 17:54 GMT
#380
On June 13 2015 02:52 Damdred wrote:
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On June 13 2015 02:42 batsnacks wrote:
Hi Damdred! You're going to be mad at me I'm sorry in advance.


Why would I be mad at you bats


Well everyone else seems to be >.> I think they're trying to lynch me please help. <3
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 18:02 GMT
#382
On June 13 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote:
Could you tell me why everyone doesn't like you and why they want to lynch you? I readyour filter though XD


I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 18:11 GMT
#385
On June 13 2015 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote:
Could you tell me why everyone doesn't like you and why they want to lynch you? I readyour filter though XD


I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly.

I await your explanation as to which posts you deem 'silly' and 'you shouldn't have posted.'


All the posts you think are scummy were actually meant in jest and good fun! See you can forget that I'm scummy now and we can hold hands and be friends.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 18:17 GMT
#393
On June 13 2015 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote:
Could you tell me why everyone doesn't like you and why they want to lynch you? I readyour filter though XD


I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly.

I await your explanation as to which posts you deem 'silly' and 'you shouldn't have posted.'


All the posts you think are scummy were actually meant in jest and good fun! See you can forget that I'm scummy now and we can hold hands and be friends.

What do you think of geript leaving you off his list?


Well his list seemed to be mostly town reads and one bad post call out... Maybe his scum reads are coming next and I'll make that list? Or maybe he just thinks I'm silly and irritating and doesn't want to deal with me. Or maybe we're mafia together and he's scared to draw more attention to us..
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 18:25 GMT
#400
On June 13 2015 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 03:17 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote:
Could you tell me why everyone doesn't like you and why they want to lynch you? I readyour filter though XD


I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly.

I await your explanation as to which posts you deem 'silly' and 'you shouldn't have posted.'


All the posts you think are scummy were actually meant in jest and good fun! See you can forget that I'm scummy now and we can hold hands and be friends.

What do you think of geript leaving you off his list?


Well his list seemed to be mostly town reads and one bad post call out... Maybe his scum reads are coming next and I'll make that list? Or maybe he just thinks I'm silly and irritating and doesn't want to deal with me. Or maybe we're mafia together and he's scared to draw more attention to us..

....and his alignment is.....


I don't know what geripts alignment is...
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 20:34 GMT
#429
On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

I'd rather lynch you.


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.


Bolded isn't true at all and you should know it isn't true because you were in the last one. I was a shining paragon of all things that are good and town in the last newbie game. And I think it did something to be because I just can't make it work this game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 20:39 GMT
#434
When is EOD? I need to know if I need to start picking it up to not get lynched or if I can afford to dick around some more.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 20:42 GMT
#437
On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty


Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 20:48 GMT
#439
On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty


Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me.

Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~


What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

HELP
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 20:51 GMT
#440
Town needs to help me not get lynched or you will lose a townie which will hurt town. You don't want to hurt town do you? Then help me not get lynched. Thx
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:01 GMT
#449
On June 13 2015 05:53 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression.


What makes you think he's slightly scummy? And if others think he's slight town (like myself, I pointed out his interesting goosebump post) what's it matter? Every one could say X is town and if I don't agree, I'm going to say it.

"If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."-Ghandi


The worst thing I can find that sulfurus has done was misrepresenting how I played last game which isn't even the worst thing ever because I mislynched sulfurus last game, so he could just have some personal bias.

I don't want to lynch geript d1 but if you do then the stuff wave said is probably the best means to accomplish that. I can't add anything new that he hasn't said already and that geript hasn't already responded to.

On June 13 2015 05:54 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh you are still posting weird to me. Like why would you as an experienced player just resign to having other people defend you or get you out of a lynch. Unless you were mafia and didn't want to give out information.

I still think we have another day left btw but I could be completely wrong. mods halp, put a timer in votecounts :D!


People in this game are being unreadable and it's making me be crazy. Like yes objectively I am playing poorly but I am suffering from this warped perspective that by playing poorly for a time I can learn more about a game that I would just frustrate me if I were playing well.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:02 GMT
#450
On June 13 2015 05:56 geript wrote:
@bat. Why do you separate the people you do? You're the one who wants to not get lynched, yet you're not really giving us much.


What do you want me to give you?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:18 GMT
#452
I mean I guess plants looks the worst? There's not a lot in the game to work with. Most of the game has been talking about me and the people who did that talking all look pretty good.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:21 GMT
#455
On June 13 2015 06:20 geript wrote:
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On June 13 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:
I mean I guess plants looks the worst? There's not a lot in the game to work with. Most of the game has been talking about me and the people who did that talking all look pretty good.

Did you realize that plants got replaced by scottleet?


I did at one time but the OP hasn't been updated and I was reading filters and yeah.... I guess that would be why plants looks the worst...

brb reading scott
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
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June 12 2015 21:26 GMT
#458
On June 13 2015 06:22 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 12 2015 22:32 batsnacks wrote:
Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia.

I don't think it's a good sign that whether or not the player you were voting against is scum is something you "don't feel like talking about anymore." But anyway, as far as finding another lynch target...

damdred is not really participating much more than boxerfred was.
So far, scott is not sounding as suspicious as FakePlants did. So I'll bump him down my list a little.
I do not care for the tone of Sulfurus' posts. He would probably be my #2 lynch right now.


The stuff you were talking about was really boring. Like really, really boring. I still think you can't scum me for any of the advice I gave early game it was all fine and stuff I would say as any alignment. Look I can prove my advice was good: I didn't follow my own advice and now I'm leading in votes!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:29 GMT
#461
On June 13 2015 06:26 geript wrote:
Newer players. Here's a hint. Just because someone isn't posting, doesn't make it malicious. People have real lives and we aren't all artificial intelligences perusing the interwebs and spending time doing random things like playing mafia on the interwebs. Being not around =/= being mafia in an of itself. It's an ok reason to supplement actual reasons for finding someone to be mafia. But in and of itself being not around doesn't make people mafia.


Oh yeah I forgot about that. All the people who were saying that you leaving the thread was scummy are wrong. I think wave was one of them; the other stuff he said was okay though.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:34 GMT
#463
On June 13 2015 05:58 geript wrote:
lol batsnacks would lynch himself


It wouldn't be the first time...
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:37 GMT
#466
On June 13 2015 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like I might be a little insulted actually. Go look at my post history and show me the 'other areas' I post.


1v1 me in mafia. Let's find out if he's right.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:44 GMT
#471
Trfel hasn't re-evaluated in a while. If I ask myself if Trfel really cares if ruxxar gets lynched or I think the answer I get is no. I could possibly push him.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:44 GMT
#473
On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is...

Clearly that guy is 3P.

I don't know what 3P means either.


It's a role that isn't in this game, don't worry about it.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:46 GMT
#474
Nevermind, I won't be pushing Trfel. -_-
batsnacks
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June 12 2015 21:47 GMT
#476
On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel


Why don't you like Trfel?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:56 GMT
#481
On June 13 2015 06:49 Trfel wrote:
Batsnacks, any thoughts on Rels?


He made a case on plants that wasn't optimal. I thought plants was scummy for the short duration he/she was in the game but the focus of Rels' case was the excuse plants gave, which was not the scummiest part of plant's post. That has been most of Rels contribution to the game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 21:57 GMT
#484
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:00 GMT
#485
On June 13 2015 06:56 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.

On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.

I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.

He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added)
So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny?

On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.

You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player.
This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.

##unvote

On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!

I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon.
I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.

On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?

On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.

On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town.

I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him.

I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content.

On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is...

Clearly that guy is 3P.

I don't know what 3P means either.
Third party.


Let me rephrase this since I see what you are saying but I didn't type that properly. Rels made a case on my replacement slot that he believed in, and caught Plants in a "lie" - I saw him a slight town read for believing in his case. I meant more of (even if he is calling out my replacement slot).


The "lie" is not alignment indicative I think. Plant's single generic advice/non-contribution post and then leaving is. It is hard to believe a townie begins the game by reading the thread, calling out a person for saying lying could be good (easiest call out ever), not drawing any conclusions what-so-ever and prompt leaving.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:05 GMT
#489
On June 13 2015 07:02 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

So you are 4th on your own lynch list? lol If you have a PM saying you are Town, and still would be content to lynch yourself, I guess your posts must look REALLY scummy to you!

If I have any hesitation about seeing you lynched, it would be that I actually like how a lot (not all, but a lot) of your list shakes out, including your placement near the top.
Show nested quote +
batsnacks wrote: help me not get lynched. Thx

I would help! But some dude named batsnacks told me to let other players defend themselves. :D


They're not in any specific order and I made that list in like 30 seconds and yes I would lynch me I am one of the scummier players in the game, though historically I have only ever lynched myself as town so this is a point in my favor.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:13 GMT
#493
n00bking why are you still voting me is there something you're confused about or are you just too lazy to move your vote?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
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June 12 2015 22:16 GMT
#496
On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Rels

1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all.
2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all*
3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment)
4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird*
5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar*
6. Asks a question to Sulfurus*
7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments*

The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them.

Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants.
On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia.
And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.

There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work.

2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target
+ Show Spoiler +
Fake)Plants only had one post.

Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening.

3. Townread on ruXxar
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.

So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.

Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.


4. Hasn't re-evaluated his read on plants now that scott has replaced, which one would think would be a high priority for him.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:21 GMT
#501
gj Trfel you found mafia

##unvote
##vote Rels
batsnacks
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June 12 2015 22:26 GMT
#505
On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking why are you still voting me is there something you're confused about or are you just too lazy to move your vote?

I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?


Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:31 GMT
#511
Rels why do you keep putting me, moose and geript together? What even is the "moosy - geript - bats situation"???
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:35 GMT
#516
On June 13 2015 07:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:31 batsnacks wrote:
Rels why do you keep putting me, moose and geript together? What even is the "moosy - geript - bats situation"???


Cause in my head at least one of you has to be mafia. Because I was suspecting moosy lightly, but the two people voting for him are doing so for reasons I don't agree with.


No one ever even voted moose!!!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:37 GMT
#519
On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?


Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet.
Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly?


Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:39 GMT
#523
On June 13 2015 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:31 batsnacks wrote:
Rels why do you keep putting me, moose and geript together? What even is the "moosy - geript - bats situation"???

No no no, let him make his case. Not only am I completely willing to vote for geript and for you if I have to, but you've halfheartedly attempted a case on me, and geript was the first one to point me out and he made some points against you. We're completely a team. ^.^


Well this team sucks and I'm quitting. I'm joining a new team that doesn't have either you OR geript on it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:50 GMT
#530
So is the deadline in 10 minutes and are we screwed?
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 22:51 GMT
#532
UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, Geript
Batsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster
Fake)Plants (1): Rels
Geript (1): WaveofShadow
Rels (1): batsnacks

Not Voting (4):
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
boxerfred
Fake)Plants

Currently Batsnacks is set to be lynched with 3 votes!
Remember to vote in the voting thread


THE DEADLINE IS IN at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
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June 12 2015 22:54 GMT
#535
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels?

Would love to know that as well.

Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything?


Why ?

If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted.

I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything?


I read and posted as I found interesting posts.

While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.


Wishy Washy very naughty.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:02 GMT
#537
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:14 GMT
#542
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:23 GMT
#545
On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:25 GMT
#547
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.


No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:27 GMT
#550
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:38 GMT
#558
On June 13 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
And you only started doing this once you started getting voted, and while your posts are numerous, they don't have that much content.


Don't you wound me like that I have been getting plenty done.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:57 GMT
#570
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:03 GMT
#575
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus

If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.


Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. My town play that game was magnificent.

And why does the fact that it's me saying it mean anything at all? Words are words you either like the words or you don't it doesn't matter who says the words.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:04 GMT
#576
Finally mafia decides to get on the wagon I was wondering if it would ever happen.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:07 GMT
#579
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus

If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.


You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:15 GMT
#584
On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 09:07 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus

If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.


You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!!

Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.

Maybe the fact that you are pressured so much makes you not think. Did you hard vote Sulfu, or was that a OMGUS sort of vote ?


It doesn't matter since you appear to agree with the vote???

And no sulfur didn't do anything like this last game sulfur was not on anyone's radar seriously until the end of the game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:27 GMT
#593
On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.

Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.

But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.


I have gotten more done than almost the entire game combined, certainly more than you. You have... pushed easy lynch plants and responded to Trfel's case and... that's about all. If I wasn't posting so much the game would be <25% of the current length. Also why damdred? I wish damdred were posting he would tell you to stop voting me because it is literally impossible for me to play this way as mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 00:39 GMT
#598
On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 13 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.

Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed.

Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night:

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batsnacks wrote:
above is THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below is KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN

Influence. Success.

When a weak element is above (the lake) and a strong element is below (the mountain), their powers attract each other so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on the effect of mutual attraction

Perseverance furthers.

By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."

To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune

Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.

A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.

A mountain with a lake on its summit is stimulated by the moisture from the lake. It has this advantage because its summit does not jut out as a peak but is sunken. The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.

The influence shows itself in the calves of the legs.
Misfortune.
Tarrying brings good fortune.

In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured.


Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town).

Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games.


I have been playing TL mafia for a -long- time, only 1 mod on this site (and I don't even know if he's still a mod) knows how long. I have no idea how many times I've rolled scum. Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:22 GMT
#605
If I'm still leading in votes in approx 12 hours I am going to make this thread chaos. Goodnight!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:35 GMT
#606
before I go to sleep though... 21% of this game is my posts! And I'm leading in votes! For SHAME!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:40 GMT
#608
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



This thread is gonna get destroyed if I'm the leading wagon tomorrow. GNIGHT SRSLY NOW.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:35 GMT
#648
Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn.

I don't see myself unvoting sulfurus he has gone on to misrepresent my play last game 3 times now and is using his misrepresentations of my play as an excuse to vote me.

If Damdred, geript and wave could start posting immediately that would be nice too. Especially damdred.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:39 GMT
#651
On June 13 2015 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
And now you are scumreading people just because they think you are mafia???


Stop being a pain in the ass. This is why kickstart hates you. I said I scumread sulfurus because he is lying about how I played last game and using his lies to justify voting me. His number one reason for voting me is that he thinks he can scum read me because I'm playing similarly to last game.

Here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=batsnacks
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:51 GMT
#654
On June 13 2015 21:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn.



That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today.

Yes you are guilty of the same I should have included you too. I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else, certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:54 GMT
#656
On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
am I confusing something?

sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks




Someone's confusing something that's for sure:
On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:
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On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

I'd rather lynch you.


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:55 GMT
#658
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.




I'm not quoting my filter for you.

I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:56 GMT
#661
On June 13 2015 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty sure bats is mafia.

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certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening.

If bats was town, he would say "tunneling me for 70% of the day", not "a town for 70%".


Stop being dumb. I don't even like calling people dumb but this is the dumbest confirmation biased-est thing I've ever seen you post.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 12:59 GMT
#663
On June 13 2015 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 21:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
am I confusing something?

sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree.
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks




Someone's confusing something that's for sure:
On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

I'd rather lynch you.


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.


The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now.

I really dont know what you think you are trying to do.


Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:00 GMT
#664
On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?


I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:06 GMT
#668
On June 13 2015 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 21:59 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
am I confusing something?

sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree.
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks




Someone's confusing something that's for sure:
On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

I'd rather lynch you.


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.


The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now.

I really dont know what you think you are trying to do.


Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took.

So he isnt lying, hes just incompetent.

In his explanation, he says that he was convinced because of his townreads scumreading you.
And hes the top scumread, you hardly need to push him more.

Who else is mafia?


Right now Rels looks like mafia I still think Trfel's case was really good. Geript/damdred could be mafia especially if their posting doesn't pick up before deadline. I am especially skeptical of damdred because he should know I'm town and right now he's just not playing and letting a townie get lynched.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:09 GMT
#669
On June 13 2015 22:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 22:00 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?


I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim.

So is the claim scummy or not?


The claim isn't scummy it's just not optimal.

On June 13 2015 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, when did you townread Trfel?

Trfel starts being townie after this post:
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On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
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On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.

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On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.

I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.

He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added)
So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny?

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On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.

You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player.
This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.

##unvote

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On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!

I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon.
I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.

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On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?

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On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.

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On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town.

I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him.

I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content.

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On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is...

Clearly that guy is 3P.

I don't know what 3P means either.
Third party.


His re-evaluating the ruxxar read and moving on to pressure others was good. I actually called him out about 15 seconds prior and he ninja'ed me with this post.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:17 GMT
#672
On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
So instead of explain why its "not optimal", your best way of explaining was the vote the dude?
When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats?

dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest.


I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim!

On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.


And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:29 GMT
#674
On June 13 2015 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 22:17 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
So instead of explain why its "not optimal", your best way of explaining was the vote the dude?
When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats?

dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest.


I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim!

On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.


And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of.


You did. voting thread doesnt count.
If we didnt have a voting thead, you wouldve voted. Answer the question.

Also, what logical fallacy? That you are useless and are not helping town at all, that you constantly complain about getting scumread and you do nothing but scumread the person everyone else thinks is mafia?
Sure, logical fallacy.

You would lynch geript?


Bolded = completely wrong, I'm disappointed that you would even say that.

Also yes, sure, logical fallacy. You're scum reading me for a bad opening. It's now 48 hours later and I'm engaging you more than anyone has engaged anyone this game. You saw my bad opening, correctly scum read me for it, and now your perspective has been warped to believe everything I say is either bad or scummy. It's not. If I'm mafia then town is fucked because that means that mafia cares more about this game then town does.

I would be happy to talk about a geript lynch. Why is geript scummier than e.g. sulfurus or ME?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:46 GMT
#678
On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice.
geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot.

Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that.

The bolded is just my opinion man.

But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts.

I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think.

I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now.

Your opinion is wrong.

I started the wagon:
On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.

Thank you for bringing that up.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:56 GMT
#681
On June 13 2015 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 22:46 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice.
geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot.

Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that.

The bolded is just my opinion man.

But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts.

I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think.

I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now.

Your opinion is wrong.

I started the wagon:
On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.

Thank you for bringing that up.


Lol that doesnt count please.

Can you expand on Rels mafia?

Cause while his posts are not great, they seem well intentioned enough.


It absolutely counts I was the first person in the game to say sulfurus is scummy.

I can't expand on Rels mafia beyond what Trfel has already said better than I could. I don't know what "well intentioned enough" means in the context of what someone's alignment is.

Also I read geript's filter and have concluded he hasn't contributed to the game yet. The most substantial thing in there was what happened at the very start of the day and that has been hashed and rehashed enough times. There are some bizarre free townreads in there too e.g. oats and damdred. I don't disagree that oats is town but I don't think oats is town because of the vt thing that geript said. Geript is at the very least a better lynch than me.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 13:59 GMT
#682
@damdred I appreciate you coming to my rescue. You must now find mafia and vote them please.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:01 GMT
#684
On June 13 2015 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol everyone is a better lynch than you bats, even me.

well intentioned means that it feels like Rels is trying to find mafia.
Not very well but still.

Every other post of yours is bad bats.
...


I know you are but what am I?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:08 GMT
#686
Why am I the best lynch ruxxar? Think about this game from an the perspective of an outside observer who knows everyone's alignment.

Right now you think the best lynch for d1 is the person who cares the most about the game and has put in more effort than anyone else.

If I'm town than an outside observer is probably looking at you (and oats) and thinking "what the literal fuck are these people doing?"

Even if I'm mafia the same outside observer is thinking... "yeah bats is mafia but still... what the literal fuck are these people doing?"

How do you expect to win by lynching the person who put forth the most effort d1?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:10 GMT
#688
On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.


No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:42 GMT
#690
On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.


No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while.

i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument.
So you got that going for you


Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:47 GMT
#692
On June 13 2015 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 23:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.


No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while.

i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument.
So you got that going for you


Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game.

Ok?

You think I care.
Its funny.


No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary.

This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 14:55 GMT
#694
On June 13 2015 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 23:47 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.


No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while.

i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument.
So you got that going for you


Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game.

Ok?

You think I care.
Its funny.


No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary.

This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads.

Yes very good, thats my meta.


I accidentally used a double negative but I'm glad you understand what I meant anyway.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 15:28 GMT
#697
I don't know... I reread both their filters and sulfurus has talked more about n00b's townread on rux than anything else this game like that's the focal point of his entire filter. Why is town sulfur spending more time talking about someone else's townread than anything else?

Page 2 [half] of geript's filter isn't pushing any agenda except for the reasonless list post where he says rux/sulfur is who we should lynch.

I want to wait and see if either of them post again.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 17:31 GMT
#704
On June 14 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
Yay. People want to be stupid and lynch me again. This shit so tiring.


I don't think stupidity is the primary reason people want to lynch you.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 17:50 GMT
#708
That's a really long post for what could be condensed into: you didn't like my opening and you don't consider activity an indicator of my alignment. Activity is highly alignment indicative for me so at least that much is wrong. I think it's okay that you didn't like my opening; I didn't like my opening either.

(this is general advice that you don't have to read but that I think would benefit you if you're interested. you don't have to read it.)
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When you make a case you should present the condensed version first, then if you're asked to flesh it out you can do that later. Look at Trfel's case on Rels. That is an example of a highly effective case. You shouldn't just do play by play commentary on posts in someone's filter. A good case doesn't have to be long and a huge number of quotes just makes it look padded.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 17:52 GMT
#709
On June 14 2015 02:48 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 02:31 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
Yay. People want to be stupid and lynch me again. This shit so tiring.


I don't think stupidity is the primary reason people want to lynch you.

Stupidity. Not thinking. Relatively the same thing.

I mean you haven't given people a lot to think about so they might not be entirely at fault.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 18:03 GMT
#717
btw Sulfurus did not sheep anyone last game and never once voted opportunistically. The main reason sulfurus was lynched last game is because he voted outside of the main wagons, completely independently, two days in a row. He just sort of did his own thing and didn't follow anyone.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 18:08 GMT
#719
Here are the final vote counts from the first two days of newbie X, notice how sulfurus is off doing his own thing:
On May 24 2015 07:04 cakepie wrote:
~ Final Vote Count ~

scott31337 (6) : Rels, batsnacks (X), Tictock (X), Breshke, sicklucker, batsnacks, boxerfred, disformation
disformation (3) : Barakos, Breshke (X), 27ninjabunnies, plotspot
plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Tictock (X)
27ninjabunnies (1) : Bill Murray (X), Tictock
batsnacks (1) : sicklucker (X), Sulfurus
Bill Murray (0) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus (X), Rels (X), boxerfred (X)
boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)
Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)
sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X), batsnacks (X)
Sulfurus (0) : disformation (X)

Not voting (1) : scott31337

Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched!


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  • Bill Murray -> 27ninjabunnies
  • Breshke -> sicklucker
  • batsnacks -> sicklucker
  • Tictock -> Bill Murray
  • Bill Murray -> sicklucker
  • Sulfurus -> Breshke
  • Tictock -> --
  • Bill Murray -> plotspot
  • Tictock -> plotspot
  • Sulfurus -> Bill Murray
  • Barakos -> disformation
  • Breshke -> disformation
  • Rels -> boxerfred
  • Rels -> Bill Murray
  • boxerfred -> Bill Murray
  • boxerfred -> --
  • Rels -> scott31337
  • batsnacks -> scott31337
  • Sulfurus -> --
  • disformation -> Sulfurus
  • 27ninjabunnies -> disformation
  • plotspot -> disformation
  • Tictock -> --
  • batsnacks -> sicklucker
  • Tictock -> scott31337
  • Breshke -> --
  • Breshke -> scott31337
  • sicklucker -> batsnacks
  • sicklucker -> scott31337
  • batsnacks -> scott31337
  • boxerfred -> scott31337
  • disformation -> scott31337
  • Tictock -> 27ninjabunnies
  • Sulfurus -> batsnacks

On May 27 2015 07:01 -Celestial- wrote:
~ Final Vote Count ~

Bill Murray (5) : sicklucker (X), 27ninjabunnies, batsnacks, boxerfred (X), disformation, Tictock, plotspot
27ninjabunnies (4) : batsnacks (X), sicklucker (X), Breshke (X), disformation (X), Bill Murray, Breshke, Tictock (X), plotspot (X), sicklucker, boxerfred (X), boxerfred
sicklucker (2) : Breshke (X), Tictock (X), disformation (X), Bill Murray (X), boxerfred (X), Sulfurus, Breshke (X), Barakos
Barakos (0) : sicklucker (X)
batsnacks (0) : sicklucker (X)

Currently, Bill Murray is set to be lynched!




+ Show Spoiler [Details] +
  • Breshke -> sicklucker
  • Tictock -> sicklucker
  • disformation -> sicklucker
  • sicklucker -> Bill Murray
  • Bill Murray -> sicklucker
  • sicklucker -> --
  • Bill Murray -> --
  • sicklucker -> batsnacks
  • batsnacks -> 27ninjabunnies
  • sicklucker -> 27ninjabunnies
  • Breshke -> 27ninjabunnies
  • disformation -> 27ninjabunnies
  • boxerfred -> sicklucker
  • Bill Murray -> 27ninjabunnies
  • sicklucker -> Barakos
  • Sulfurus -> sicklucker
  • Breshke -> sicklucker
  • Breshke -> 27ninjabunnies
  • Tictock -> 27ninjabunnies
  • Barakos -> sicklucker
  • plotspot -> 27ninjabunnies
  • sicklucker -> 27ninjabunnies
  • boxerfred -> 27ninjabunnies
  • 27ninjabunnies -> Bill Murray
  • batsnacks -> Bill Murray
  • boxerfred -> Bill Murray
  • disformation -> Bill Murray
  • Tictock -> Bill Murray
  • plotspot -> Bill Murray
  • boxerfred -> 27ninjabunnies


batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 18:28 GMT
#726
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:
I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later.

For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).

My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow.

##Vote: Batsnacks


This is sulfur when he's town.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 18:30 GMT
#727
wait BM was town, I messed that one up.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 18:53 GMT
#738
On June 14 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote:
I just looked at Sulfurus's filter from Newbie Student Mafia X.

He was lynched Day 3, with only two pages of filter. When the pressure was on him, me barely responded at all. I just don't feel comfortable reading him. It's not just trying to tell newbie from scum, the complete lack of posts makes it a complete nightmare. I'd rather take a Day 1 lynch that isn't a shot in the dark.

I really would appreciate it if geript answered my question to him here.


Look at the content of his posts in that game though. They're actually pretty dense and show signs of critical thinking. There are like 10 reads crammed into the post I quoted and color coded.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 19:18 GMT
#758
On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player)

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On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)

If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.

1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.

In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.

2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.

Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.

3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.

He's not doing this here.

Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.

Leave the bats alone




This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense.


That read is excellent which is why damdred qualifies it with "don't use it again."
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 19:56 GMT
#782
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


I'll sheep Trfel.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#789
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:10 GMT
#796
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:15 GMT
#804
##unvote
##vote geript
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:18 GMT
#807
On June 14 2015 05:10 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:32 GMT
#809
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:38 GMT
#812
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:40 GMT
#815
STOP SPECULATING ABOUT ROLES.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:43 GMT
#818
On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.



Bats...I am so proud of you


<3 <3 <3

xoxoxoxo
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:50 GMT
#822
On June 14 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
batsnacks I understand your trap. ^.^ Just saying we'll see how right it is after we get him. If me, you, and WaveofShadow are right about getrip and Trfel is right about Rels, that's two of the Mafias.


If geript is mafia, and he is... now that he slipped a lot of his filter makes more sense especially the "I don't think any vets are mafia" comment.

Anyway if geript is mafia Rels is almost certainly town. geript knows Rels is town and would sheep a case on him anyway. That's what makes him mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:54 GMT
#827
On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic?

Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point?


He's just projecting... the trainwreck is him.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:56 GMT
#829
On June 14 2015 05:55 geript wrote:
Lol. I'm pretty sure stupid was the right word originally. You have to be to think that I either scumslip ever OR that my response was a scumslip. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go play games because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted in a game ever.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:57 GMT
#831
On June 14 2015 05:56 geript wrote:
I've really been trying to be much nicer when I play, but there's a serious lack a brain cells if that argument catches on.


You're leading in votes by a large majority, also my previous post still applies here.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:00 GMT
#834
On June 14 2015 05:58 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:56 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:55 geript wrote:
Lol. I'm pretty sure stupid was the right word originally. You have to be to think that I either scumslip ever OR that my response was a scumslip. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go play games because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted in a game ever.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

I'd bother to try, but if that's the type of argument that's going to be espoused then I'd rather get lynched and laugh at the mix of stupid that's gone around.

I'd probably say the same thing or at least something similar in your position so no hard feelings here.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#841
On June 14 2015 06:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


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Here. Let me learn you stupids up good in the english language.
Batsnacks question, "Why does mafia post this?" is what is called a rhetorical question. It presupposes the answer (that mafia doesn't post that). My response directly attacks the underlying assumption that mafia doesn't post like that. If I bothered to look, I bet I can find 2 games where I've made similar posts as mafia (as Sulfurous did). His (Sulfurous) post is not a post that is strictly alignment indicative. It can come from town and from mafia.

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June 13 2015 21:11 GMT
#847
On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.

Lynch Rels or Sulf next

Ok
batsnacks
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June 13 2015 21:13 GMT
#850
@geript what about ruxxar?
batsnacks
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June 13 2015 21:16 GMT
#855
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


Dude the emo card doesn't work here. You made a massive contradiction that makes you look terrible. Why not be a man and own up to your mistakes (like I did with my opening) rather than just flinging shit at people?
batsnacks
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June 13 2015 22:04 GMT
#865
Well I guess it's night now.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 17:05 GMT
#960
Sulfurus is happy we didn't lynch Rels and instead lynched someone on his lynch list (geript). This is the only time Sulfurus mentions geript in his filter:
On June 13 2015 15:38 Sulfurus wrote:
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On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?


I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town.

And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all.



n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game?
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 17:10 GMT
#961
On June 15 2015 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So many facepalms.
I guess ruxxar isn't scum, can't see why scum would bther post in thread revealing they know a potential blue outed himself.

Ugh. Consider protection tonight accordingly, doctor


This is a blunder from either alignment caused by a lack of game understanding. Either alignment can make this mistake.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 17:33 GMT
#965
On June 15 2015 02:26 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 15 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking you read a lot of newbie mafia X right? Who would you say your play style this game most closely resembles in that game?

That's a very unusual question. I guess I hadn't thought about it. Without going back to look at that thread, I guess I would say my play in this game is a closest match for...Rels, in that game? I remember often thinking that Breschke and Barakos were saying things that made me think they were Town. But they weren't always saying things that I had myself been thinking before they posted it. Rels was.

(P.S. I still can't believe you guys lynched Bill Murray over ninjabunnies. I was almost yelling at the screen, toward the end of that Phase. lol)


BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies.

Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 18:20 GMT
#968
On June 15 2015 03:07 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:
BM was a fine lynch he didn't do anything to prevent it and we had a green check on bunnies.

Well your green check was worth crap, huh? I will admit that I was not completely sure bunnies was scum. But I was still leaning scum, despite the green check. I was, however, completely sure Bill Murray was town. (Considerably more sure than I was that geript was Town in this game, where I made multiple attempts to save him from the noose.)

Anyway, I'm going to bail on that discussion too, because it's another one that I don't think is proving to be productive, for purposes of THIS game.
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On June 15 2015 02:33 batsnacks wrote:Your posting this game is very similar to boxerfred. He spent tons of effort speculating about roles instead of focusing on finding mafia and we all just gave him a pass because he was new and at least he was posting a lot.

1) What was your purpose for asking me the question? it's not like you were going to get me to select boxerfred as my Newbie X doppelganger.
2) I also don't think you're going to try and say that I do not have quite a few posts in this game that are "focused on finding mafia"? I think you would find a whole lot of posts in my filter that revolve around using what has happened, and what's been said, to determine a player's alignment. And any time you can determine a player's alignment, it contributes to finding mafia.


I stopped reading your posts at the very start of the game and I don't think I'm alone in that. I did the same thing to boxerfred last game and boxerfred was mafia. I just assumed boxerfred was town because he posted a lot and appeared to be thinking critically about the nonsense he was posting, even though none of it helped town. You can be more useful by never mentioning roles again until someone claims.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 18:23 GMT
#969
On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre.

On June 14 2015 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On June 14 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote:
Sulfurus, you need to say why you are scumreading me. You can't throw around suspicions with nothing behind them.

WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this?

What the fuck does 'a player of my calibre' have to do with being present in thread, even IF 'a player of my calibre' even meant anything?

lol
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 19:39 GMT
#983
I don't think Rels ever said he was going to vote sulfurus.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 19:42 GMT
#984
I also don't think Rels ever technically switched reads on damdred or sulfurus. Damdred went from null to scummy for not posting. Sulfurus seemed to stay at a town lean.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 20:12 GMT
#987
Alright Rels is mafia. His read progression on sulfurus goes like this:
  • First I voted sulfurus for voting me opportunistically. Rels responds to me saying that if it were anyone but sulfurus then he would consider this scummy, but since sulfurus voted opportunistically last game then it is not scummy.
    Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
    If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
    But Sulfu played exactly like that last game.

  • Rels posts a list post where sulfurus is a town lean.
    Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
    Town lean
    Trfel
    Sulfu
    Oats
    ruxxar

  • Rels repeats that if anyone but sulfurus had voted me the way that sulfurus did, he would consider it scummy. However since sulfurus voted SL and Breshke opportunistically last game as town, then he is not scum reading sulfurus for it.
    Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
    Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.

  • Rels suddenly says he is suspicious of sulfurus for voting opportunistically, directly contradicting two posts he made earlier explaining that sulfurus voting opportunistically does not make him mafia since he did the same thing in his last game.
    Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
    No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
    - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
    - The vote on BS is opportunist

  • Rels votes geript and says if the wagon on geript doesn't go anywhere, that he will be switching to sulfurus.
    Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
    If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

    ##Vote geript




Chronological order:
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On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus

If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game.

On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Town lean
Trfel
Sulfu
Oats
ruxxar

On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 09:07 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.

##unvote
##vote Sulfurus

If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions.


You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!!

Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.

On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:
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On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality.

I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him.

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On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now?

No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
- The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
- The vote on BS is opportunist

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 20:20 GMT
#989
On June 15 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Bats Bats Bats.

Good job getting yourself killed tonight.

Sheeping you and trfel l.

Besides that do you think,makes soul his partner or just a town he tied to push on


I think the evidence against Rels works regardless of sulfu's alignment. For a while sulfu was looking like he was going to be the lynch... he probably would have been if it weren't for the geript 'slip.'
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 20:25 GMT
#991
On June 15 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
I agree regardless of alignment.

I need to look at context was his subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building?


I haven't checked but that's what it seems like.
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June 14 2015 20:34 GMT
#993
kickstart is a good shot.
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June 14 2015 20:39 GMT
#996
While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 20:43 GMT
#998
On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot.


What makes you say that?


My bat-senses.
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June 14 2015 20:54 GMT
#1002
On June 15 2015 05:52 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 15 2015 05:43 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot.


What makes you say that?


My bat-senses.


I must say I don't trust them very much after your last performance on geript...


Brother

You sheeped me. HARD.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 21:02 GMT
#1006
On June 15 2015 05:58 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 15 2015 05:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:52 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:43 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot.


What makes you say that?


My bat-senses.


I must say I don't trust them very much after your last performance on geript...


Brother

You sheeped me. HARD.

He sure did. And you can understand no one ever wanting to make THAT mistake again.


That's not how it works.
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 21:24 GMT
#1012
ruxxar is this your first game?
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 22:01 GMT
#1022
##vote Rels
batsnacks
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June 14 2015 22:03 GMT
#1026
ruxxar n00b was actually right about something. What happened here?

On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:
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On June 15 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 06:02 n00bKing wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred.

I compared town to a trainwreck after you AND Sulfurus lost steam, and geript was gaining steam. If I couldn't lynch you, I was happy to lynch Sulfurus. (You know, cuz Theory?) I was not at all interested in lynching geript, so yeah, was getting pretty unhappy.

By the way, how about them roles? I wonder which roles are in the game, and who has 'em. Rolly-roll-role-roles.

if I was a cop then I would check you or trelf.
In my eyes you are the strongest players in this game and it would be dangerous if you were mafia.

Hmm.

I'll just leave this right here:
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ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.

You sure you know what the cop is for?

batsnacks
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June 14 2015 22:04 GMT
#1027
On June 15 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:
On June 15 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 06:02 n00bKing wrote:
On June 15 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred.

I compared town to a trainwreck after you AND Sulfurus lost steam, and geript was gaining steam. If I couldn't lynch you, I was happy to lynch Sulfurus. (You know, cuz Theory?) I was not at all interested in lynching geript, so yeah, was getting pretty unhappy.

By the way, how about them roles? I wonder which roles are in the game, and who has 'em. Rolly-roll-role-roles.

if I was a cop then I would check you or trelf.
In my eyes you are the strongest players in this game and it would be dangerous if you were mafia.

Hmm.

I'll just leave this right here:
ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.

You sure you know what the cop is for?


I thought I did, but I missed completely.
I went on mafiascum wiki and read some play advice.
I was pretty off target -_-.


Whaat??? What exactly did you think the cop did?
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 00:29 GMT
#1070
On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.


Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf.
This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all.

It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.

As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.

He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.


Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are?


This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip:
On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:
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On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?


I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.

As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.


We're you notified?


of what?

i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho


This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks.

Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this.

batsnacks
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June 15 2015 00:45 GMT
#1076
On June 15 2015 09:38 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 09:29 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.


Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf.
This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all.

It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.

As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.

He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.


Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are?


This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip:
On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:
On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?


I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.

As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.


We're you notified?


of what?

i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho


This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks.

Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this.



That case is for a totally different context and doesn't apply here.
Choosing to lynch someone is a totally different context from lying about your role.

And I'm curious to hear his reasons still so please.
Sulfur will you explain?


I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 00:50 GMT
#1080
On June 15 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 09:45 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:38 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:29 batsnacks wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.


Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf.
This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all.

It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.

As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.

He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.


Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are?


This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip:
On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:
On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?


I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.

As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.


We're you notified?


of what?

i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho


This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks.

Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this.



That case is for a totally different context and doesn't apply here.
Choosing to lynch someone is a totally different context from lying about your role.

And I'm curious to hear his reasons still so please.
Sulfur will you explain?


I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone.


I'm not repeating that mistake again.


zzz you can't just sheep something that hard and then go back and say it was a mistake post factum. It obviously wasn't a mistake if you thought it was the best course of action with the information you had in the moment.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 00:54 GMT
#1083
@ruxxar trying to discredit a read that you sheeped after the fact is scummy because it means you knew it was a bad read when you sheeped it, and you sheeped it anyway. Do you not understand this?
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 01:17 GMT
#1090
On June 15 2015 10:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 09:54 batsnacks wrote:
@ruxxar trying to discredit a read that you sheeped after the fact is scummy because it means you knew it was a bad read when you sheeped it, and you sheeped it anyway. Do you not understand this?


I did not realize it was a bad read at the time,
The problem was that the night started so early that I didn't really have time to digest your motivations for making that read.
Anyhow like I said, not making hasty decisions like that again.


If you consider it a mistake, you knew it was a bad read at the time.

A townie in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "I made the best choice I could have in the moment with the information I had."

Mafia in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "That read was bad, I'm glad I could so easily sheep it. I will now push mafia agenda further by discrediting town batsnacks based on his read that I knew was bad."
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#1143
Moose goose and Scott... That's interesting.
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 12:46 GMT
#1145
Rels back up to the stuff I said n1. You said in your response just now that sulfu voting opportunistically is a point against him, and that is the reason you would have voted sulfu over me. The whole point of the case I made is that you said twice that sulfu voting opportunistically does not make him mafia, and is not a point against him, because he did the same thing last game d1 to SL and Breshke. After saying that twice, you switched to saying that sulfu voting me was opportunistic and it is points against him.

Is it unreasonable for me to think that your defense here actually re-enforces what I said?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 13:08 GMT
#1147
No

I'm saying you said (twice) that sulfur's vote was not alignment indicative because he did the same thing last game to SL and breshke.

Then you went back and said it is alignment indicative and points against him.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 13:23 GMT
#1149
K fair enough
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#1155
On June 15 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:
Kickstart
I think the guy is mafia for these reasons:
1. Lots of fluff and not a lot of analysis. I didn't believe that before rerading his filter but that is true: there is almost no analysis in it.
2. This case is super forced 4 hours into the game.
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On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:
Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm.

First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me.
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On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game!

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On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:
I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around .

*slaps himself*

No, stop daydreaming ruxx!


Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there.
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On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?


Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking.

If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions.

At least that is what I think.


Another post which doesn't seem like a town mindset at all to me. Why would town try to defend lying. This seems like scum saying "lying is ok" but trying to make it seem like something town just does all the time too, it isn't, and this is scum mindset imo.
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On June 12 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.


Why don't you like liars?
Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests.
This goes for both sides.
Deception is not a thing reserved only for mafia.

What you meant to say is that you don't like liars that have conflicting interests from you.


And yet another on the lying thing that I just don't see a townie making. This just stinks of scum mindset to me again.
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On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?


Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking.

If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions.

At least that is what I think.
........

The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious.

Scum lean.


What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement.
I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that.

So far kickstart is a scumlean for me.
Wait....

So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read?

This explanation is going to be good.


Yes my answer was serious.

I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start.
It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question.


Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart?


I didn't like his statement about not liking liars.

This whole game is based on the concept of deception.
If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here?
You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia,
But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either.

I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement.



And here is a ton of WIFOM that is literally useless to town. Ended with a pointless question to me. Again to me it is just obvious why as town you don't like people to lie, I even explained a few times what I meant by the statement, so he is either not reading or pressing a nonsensical point.
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On June 12 2015 08:43 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:
ruXxar

1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town
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On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?


Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking.

If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions.

At least that is what I think.
RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad.

He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong.


2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread
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On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others?


Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking.

If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions.

At least that is what I think.
........

The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious.

Scum lean.


What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement.
I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that.

So far kickstart is a scumlean for me.
When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for.

Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment.

I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments.

Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart.


RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments.


I beg to differ.

I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions.
If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that.
I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question.

If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error.

The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start.
He's also dodged my question so far.

Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules,


He only explained what it means, not why he said it.

So @ kickstart.

Please explain why you don't like liars.


On its own this post isn't too bad but coupled with his general tone I think this just adds to it. A tell that a lot of new scum players fall for is proclaiming their inexperience. He does this a lot in his earlier posts in the way of justifying various things because of not knowing the game or the players, and in this post he does it again when it is needless imo. Saying I agree would have sufficed but for some reason he feels the need to proclaim his inexperience, something that everyone in the game knows.
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On June 12 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote:
On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that.

I'm gathering information to base my reads upon.
I can only evaluate what I've read so far.

Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations.

You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react.

That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote.


I agree.

As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments.


I am usually forgiving to players I don't know or newer players, but to me there are so many things that seem scummy to me that I can't do that in ruXxars case.

Thoughts?



3. Posted a lot day 1 and left a good impression on everyone, then left. Came back multiple times with an excuse but didn't a whole lot and left again. Even worse, promised something and never did it.
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First time he came, he promised an analysis of bats filter that never came.
On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote:
Damn I went back to sleep and slept forever. 2 replacements already whata game. Still think ruXxar is slightly scummy but several people think he isn't so that's that. Sulfuris did come in and logic up his posts but that still leaves me baffled about his initial vote. If he is so concerned with the logic of his arguments and reads then how the hell did he make that post with that mindset. Seems like he did something scummy then tried to logic his way out. Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression.

On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.

Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.



4. This post seems forced to me too. It's about how he doesn't like noobking's posting. Not sure about that one though.
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On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.

@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?



5. His progression of his read on me is so bad. I think at least one of the people pushing me is doing so because I'm an easy mislynch. And I think kickstart is the most opportunistic person that came into my train. Here is his train of thought regarding me. Please read at least the last quote in the spoiler, it's hilarious as hell.
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On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well.

On June 13 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Wheres does scotts 'wouldn't lynch rels' read come from. U wot.
Gosh i rly dont like list posts with no reasoning in them. Are me and rels suspicious to you but not enough to not vote and that is why we aren't in your 'like' list or what.

On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.

Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.

On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.

##Vote Rels

On June 15 2015 07:34 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with everything in noobs large post but I tend to agree that the most likely scum trio to me atm is sulf, ruxx, rels. And if one of them flips red it makes the other 2 look even scummier.

On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long.




Conclusion: Mafia


What happened to moose and Scott?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 17:40 GMT
#1167
"Safer" is a weird word.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 17:46 GMT
#1169
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 17:54 GMT
#1173
On June 16 2015 02:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 16 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it.

In what way?


I don't consider this relevant because I feel like I understand what you were trying to say anyway but... It could also be "safer" because since there is more evidence for Rels, there will be less suspicion your way if he flips town. Compared to if you lynched hypothetical town sulfurus for (relatively) less evidence.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 18:02 GMT
#1177
I did vote ruxxar btw I just didn't post it. I do consider him an excellent lynch. Dude votes and scum reads me for 99% of the day only to sheep me hard onto a town wagon for reasons that he himself says were bad and a mistake.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 18:05 GMT
#1179
On June 16 2015 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 16 2015 02:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 02:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 16 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it.

In what way?


I don't consider this relevant because I feel like I understand what you were trying to say anyway but... It could also be "safer" because since there is more evidence for Rels, there will be less suspicion your way if he flips town. Compared to if you lynched hypothetical town sulfurus for (relatively) less evidence.

Lol, which is not what I was trying to say, say no.


Sometimes human beings accidentally reveal their intentions with their word choices. But it seriously doesn't matter you could have afked all day today and still not been the lynch.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 18:32 GMT
#1185
Your reasons for mouse being town are way stronger than your reasons for moose being mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 18:35 GMT
#1187
On June 16 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:
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On June 16 2015 00:46 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name.
Wait.... what???

The amount of content that Rels put out is just insane.... and while I don't like all of his points, he does raise some good points (particularly some of the ones against scott31337). I don't really like his response to batsnacks' case, but if he is scum, it's really impressive that he would go through all that work when he seemed to be completely doomed.

##unvote


You should read that thing I said about ruxxar being mafia because he voted me for 99% of d1 only to sheep me hard at the last second on a town wagon for reasons that he considers bad and a mistake. Then you should vote ruxxar because he's probably the best lynch.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 19:08 GMT
#1198
HI DAMDRED :D
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 19:50 GMT
#1200
Is the mafia team ruxxar/Scott/kickstart?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 19:51 GMT
#1201
Or maybe Damdred is in there. Damdred did one of his mafia tells this game but I'm not saying anything about that unless I have to.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:37 GMT
#1216
On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.

Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.


And why won't you read rels posts?!....
As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible.

Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly.
Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?


It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them.
We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him.

What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing.

That's not a very towny perspective now is it?


Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:38 GMT
#1217
***happy for sulfur, ***happier for ruxxar
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:42 GMT
#1221
On June 16 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.

Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.


And why won't you read rels posts?!....
As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible.

Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly.
Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?


It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them.
We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him.

What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing.

That's not a very towny perspective now is it?


Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.


I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs."

We all saw how that worked out with geript.


Look how the mafia continues to discredit the read that he sheeped. Please take note newbies.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:48 GMT
#1225
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.

I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.

However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:50 GMT
#1226
On June 16 2015 05:48 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 16 2015 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.

Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.


And why won't you read rels posts?!....
As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible.

Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly.
Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?


It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them.
We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him.

What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing.

That's not a very towny perspective now is it?


Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.


I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs."

We all saw how that worked out with geript.

I'm not sure what bats said has anything to do with geript's supposed scumslip.


He's nitpicking on a word that was supposedly a "slip" from me.


I'm not nitpicking. Pairing yourself with wave by saying OUR is not something town needs to or thinks to do. Wave isn't just making that up. Then you fling suspicion at him in the same post?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:55 GMT
#1231
On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.

I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.

However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.

Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town.

Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels.
Votecount?

How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day.


If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 20:58 GMT
#1232
No town should feel confident enough that sulfur of all people is townie enough to defend them with an actual case. Especially someone who has never played with sulfur before.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 21:03 GMT
#1236
On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.

I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.

However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.

Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town.

Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels.
Votecount?

How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day.


If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.


Ok so here's a thought.

You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes?
If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town?

I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game.

Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense?
Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN?
Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him?
Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia.


This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
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June 15 2015 21:08 GMT
#1238
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.

I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.

However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.

Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town.

Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels.
Votecount?

How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day.


If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.


Ok so here's a thought.

You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes?
If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town?

I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game.

Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense?
Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN?
Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him?
Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia.


This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur.


Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?

Basically what wave said.


Association is bad and you are scummy regardless of sulfur's alignment. I don't need to know sulfur's alignment to know that you're probably mafia.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 21:10 GMT
#1240
On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.

I'm that confident in my read.


1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 21:14 GMT
#1244
On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.

I'm that confident in my read.


1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?


Please quote the post where I said this:


ARE YOU SERIOUS???
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?

Basically what wave said.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 21:31 GMT
#1249
On June 16 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.

I'm that confident in my read.


1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?


Please quote the post where I said this:


ARE YOU SERIOUS???
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?

Basically what wave said.



You misunderstood completely.

That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him.
Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red.
I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy.

As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before.

You're right about the earlier stuff, and it isn't all that convincing, but I've already explained why your case for Sulf being town is pretty worthless.

The more convincing argument is actually the TMI, and even though I have a hard time believing you're right, it still makes you look scummy either in which case the play would be to lynch you first.

I'm going to hold off for now and let some other people comment on this because it's been beaten to death.
Damdred and Scott I'm particularly interested in what you two have to say.


Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia?

I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki.


It means you have too much information about the alignments of other players i.e. there is no way you should be confident in sulfur's alignment if you are town because sulfur has not provided enough information to make that determination. You especially should not be confident enough to risk your place in the game for sulfur. A common mafia tell is giving out townreads for unsound reasons.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 21:40 GMT
#1252
On June 16 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 06:31 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.

I'm that confident in my read.


1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?


Please quote the post where I said this:


ARE YOU SERIOUS???
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?

Basically what wave said.



You misunderstood completely.

That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him.
Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red.
I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy.

As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before.

You're right about the earlier stuff, and it isn't all that convincing, but I've already explained why your case for Sulf being town is pretty worthless.

The more convincing argument is actually the TMI, and even though I have a hard time believing you're right, it still makes you look scummy either in which case the play would be to lynch you first.

I'm going to hold off for now and let some other people comment on this because it's been beaten to death.
Damdred and Scott I'm particularly interested in what you two have to say.


Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia?

I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki.


It means you have too much information about the alignments of other players i.e. there is no way you should be confident in sulfur's alignment if you are town because sulfur has not provided enough information to make that determination. You especially should not be confident enough to risk your place in the game for sulfur. A common mafia tell is giving out townreads for unsound reasons.


I found my reasons to be very sound.

I imagined myself in sulfurus position,
and not in a million years would I have made that same play that he has as mafia.


Well your reasons aren't sound.

The best case for sulfurus being town is him defending Rels when voting Rels would have been more likely to save him, and I was the first to point this out. The problem with this is that doing this does not help him as either alignment. If sulfurus is town then he should be more confident in his own alignment than Rels' alignment, so he should vote Rels so save himself.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 22:13 GMT
#1256
On June 16 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Why is bring wrong a negative exactly?


I think Rels reads on me are less interesting than anything that's happening with ruxxar.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 22:16 GMT
#1262
I don't know why Rels is going through the motions with this actually. He responded to what was brought against him his time would be better spent playing the game again instead of going through these tedious null reads.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 22:22 GMT
#1267
On June 16 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
I'm mafia remember?

Actually here's a thought I'm thinking that's totally unrelated. Wave barely calls me out in most of hi postings besides being disappointed to an extent. However He keeps bringing attention to sul at points and says l tt inch the person not playing the game. Why then am,I not the primary push. I have played much less than anyone in,the game currently yet not pushed.

Its an interesting observation.

And rux is obviously tmi


Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 22:28 GMT
#1274
I agree with pretty much everything damdred has said this game though so yeah.

That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 22:38 GMT
#1284
On June 16 2015 07:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 07:28 batsnacks wrote:
I agree with pretty much everything damdred has said this game though so yeah.

That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia.

Bu then....doesn't that make him scummy according to you?


Yeah. If damdred is mafia it's for buddying me and contributing as little as possible. I like my case on ruxxar better though. kickstart and sulfurus also look worse. This game is harder when people don't play.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 23:10 GMT
#1291
On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.

##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras


Why should we waste a hypothetical cop check on you? Why not use the hypothetical cop check on a scummy person who's actually playing?
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 23:13 GMT
#1295
On June 16 2015 08:11 Kickstart wrote:
Eh didnt look at role possibilities. There are still better lynches than me regardless.


So?
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 15 2015 23:17 GMT
#1301
On June 16 2015 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok found it.
Show nested quote +
What is the mafia incentive for pushing Rels hard at times, and at other times going with other wagons? That's a lousy way to go about a bus, and if I'm scum and Rels is town, why would I keep jumping around between flipped town geript, likely town batsnacks, and assumed town Rels?

Given the lackluster way geript was playing, I was suspicious of him. I didn't want to lynch him for that alone, though, because of the weekend and because of the potential risk. However, when batsnacks caught what I thought was a scumslip, this new information convinced me to lynch geript. If I didn't re-evaluate based on new information, that would be more telling.

Ultimately I think there are other people doing similar things that looks worse. When Trfel does post I have generally been liking it. You know him pretty well though, yes? there anything specifically meta-related here? Im curious.


I've played a few games with town Trfel and this is what I'm used to seeing. The strong cases especially and low activity otherwise.
batsnacks
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June 15 2015 23:56 GMT
#1312
I wish oats were capable of going ham on more than 1 person per game. Did I wear you out oats?
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 00:24 GMT
#1332
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 00:28 GMT
#1335
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 00:33 GMT
#1338
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.


Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:37 GMT
#1340
On June 16 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:33 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.


Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
If he's town, presumably to make sure that if you were scum, you wouldn't see it and then use a Bat Trap?

Alternatively, he could have just done that to pocket me.... and it worked, darn it.


I don't understand why mafia scott is trying to pocket you of all people with an obscure yet highly accurate meta read on me.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:39 GMT
#1341
Trfel what was the timeframe for this? Was this d1 before you voted me? d1 after you voted me? d1 after you unvoted me? It would help a lot if you could quote the actual posts.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 01:10 GMT
#1344
On June 16 2015 09:42 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel what was the timeframe for this? Was this d1 before you voted me? d1 after you voted me? d1 after you unvoted me? It would help a lot if you could quote the actual posts.
It was while I was voting for you, and while scott31337 was not.

I guess you're right, it's not really important. Kickstart is probably a better lynch. I just got really mad at the thought of getting pocketed like that.

Would still like to see a response from scott31337, though, as he certainly isn't cleared.

I need to go, I'll look through ruXxar's filter tonight.


Not sure if bolded is directed at me but I don't think I said or implied that anywhere.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 16:28 GMT
#1382
It's my birthday so... Lynch ruxxar/sulf. Maybe kick if you need to but you better have better reasons then 'afk.' I'll try to check in before deadline.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:14 GMT
#1421
Scott is mafia, ruxxar is mafia, kickstart is probably mafia. If it's not kickstart maybe sulfur or someone who's having a really easy time with how scummy several townies are being.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:19 GMT
#1426
On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia.

the two sentiments don't make sense.


Yeah maybe this
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:24 GMT
#1428
On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia.

the two sentiments don't make sense.


Actually I think wave is right sulfur is saying he'll vote kick to save a townie but that oats is the mafia we should be scared of. Which is borderline unanalyzeable and I'm sure wave is right about sulfur disappearing again.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:29 GMT
#1431
Maybe sulfur is saying the he will vote kickstart to save all of the collective townies since sulfur is mafia and knows who all the townies are?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:36 GMT
#1441
People jumped on the kickstart wagon for bad reasons in general. Trfel's case was the most reasonable thing said about kickstart and even people who are sheeping it are sheeping the weaker points in the case e.g. Cop check comments. I mean kickstart is scummy as hell but the wagon feels wrong.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:38 GMT
#1442
That's Scott and ruxxar specifically on the kickstart wagon that I'm calling out mostly.

So let's lynch ruxxar it will be fun because he's mafia.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 19:41 GMT
#1448
Sulfur is great too I'd be really happy with that lynch. Lots of info because people have been pushing sulfur a while.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 20:09 GMT
#1475
This is my preferred lynch list in order

Rux
Scott
Sulf
Kick
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:17 GMT
#1517
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:19 GMT
#1521
On June 17 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels.

What do you mean by this?


It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:20 GMT
#1523
hate myself is too strong, I'm still happy with a sulfur lynch, I just really wanted the ruxxar lynch.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:25 GMT
#1534
On June 17 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oooo I dunno ruxxar throwing shit at me
Omgus makes me wanna switch lol


idk the thought crossed my mind when you and damdred unvoted KS, less so for damdred cause he hadn't been feeling it for longer. Kinda weird but whatever.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:27 GMT
#1538
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:28 GMT
#1542
On June 17 2015 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets)


Oats does the same thing every game regardless of alignment.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:29 GMT
#1544
On June 17 2015 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bats I'm not votingnhim if he's afk


But you'll vote afk sulfurus >
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#1547
On June 17 2015 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Plz bats that's not the same thing and you knownit


Yeah. This sulfur wagon looks great next to the kickstart wagon anyway. As long as we don't have two towns here this should be fine.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:40 GMT
#1555
On May 30 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 06:01 -Celestial- wrote:
This is your t-minus 60 minutes warning

~ Vote Count ~

27ninjabunnies (4) : Tictock (X), sicklucker, Tictock (X), Sulfurus, batsnacks, disformation (X), disformation
Sulfurus (3) : batsnacks (X), Barakos (X), sicklucker (X), disformation (X), plotspot, Barakos, 27ninjabunnies
plotspot (1) : Tictock (X), Barakos (X), disformation (X), Tictock (X), boxerfred (X), Tictock
disformation (1) : boxerfred (X), boxerfred
boxerfred (0) : disformation (X)
no-lynch (0) : plotspot (X)

Not voting (1) : no-lynch

Currently, 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched!
The day phase will end at Friday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 60 minutes (!!!) from this post.
remain as you are reading this.

Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread.

If you see any vote out of place, scream your head off and maybe someone will notice.


Thank you guys so much! I truely believe we have a good shot at the GF with this lynch.


This is town sulfurus right before he's about to get lynched in newbie student mafia X.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:47 GMT
#1564
Shenanies onto scott?
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:49 GMT
#1567
If you're town can you make sure you're on sulfurus, he just ninjaed. thx
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:49 GMT
#1573
I really, really want to vote scott.
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 21:52 GMT
#1581
On June 17 2015 06:51 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I really, really want to vote scott.


You still haven't given me reasons why.


My bat-senses tell me you're mafia.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:59 GMT
#1604
I have a feeling this is the last game I'll ever play with sulfurus in it.
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 22:17 GMT
#1628
Glad we didn't lynch scott, he's probably just a lowly goon.
batsnacks
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June 16 2015 22:22 GMT
#1633
On June 17 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone of n00bKing's epitaph. Keep that in mind.


The info from d2 is much more valuable. The Rels/kickstart wagons are a goldmine.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 11:13 GMT
#1747
So I have no intention of being useful until the day post but that's probably not going to stop me from posting due to bored.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 12:32 GMT
#1758
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 12:38 GMT
#1762
On June 17 2015 21:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times.

True. It seems super extreme.

I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not.


It's not. He was defending sulfurus early d1.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 12:42 GMT
#1764
Remember when ruxxar voted on literally every wagon this game except sulfurus' wagon? That was pretty good too.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 13:08 GMT
#1773
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 13:14 GMT
#1778
On June 17 2015 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 22:08 batsnacks wrote:
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else.

Why did the ruxxar wagon not materialize?


Because he actually posted things unlike the other two wagons.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 15:20 GMT
#1791
Yay nk speculation. They will kill me first because I know ruxxar is mafia and will push him endlessly tomorrow.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 21:14 GMT
#1829
On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is.

Wait for him to write up a case.


Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb.

Woah you make pizza??


protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 21:18 GMT
#1832
On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is.

Wait for him to write up a case.


Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb.

Woah you make pizza??


protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom.

Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide.


Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip.
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 21:28 GMT
#1835
On June 18 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is.

Wait for him to write up a case.


Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb.

Woah you make pizza??


protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom.

Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide.


Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip.

shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases.


Did you just imply you are mafia and that when you flip people will suspect me for teaching you how to make pita pizzas?
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 21:58 GMT
#1839
On June 18 2015 06:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is.

Wait for him to write up a case.


Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb.

Woah you make pizza??


protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom.

Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide.


Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip.

shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases.


Did you just imply you are mafia and that when you flip people will suspect me for teaching you how to make pita pizzas?

I was telling you to shut up because you were right.


pita pizzas are dank
batsnacks
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June 17 2015 23:26 GMT
#1872
I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game.

I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:16 GMT
#1926
oh sulfur's first post was scum reading and voting kickstart. Good knowing he's town. Also good knowing that we were lynching between town and mafia yesterday.

Sulfur spends more time d1 townreading ruxx than he does doing anything else. The only think that comes close is pushing my lynch. This could mean that ruxxar is town.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:19 GMT
#1927
Ruxxar voted me for most of d1, sulfurus is probably encouraging ruxxar's vote by townreading him. I don't know if this feels like two mafias.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:24 GMT
#1928
If someone could step in a nod occasionally so that I don't start quintuple posting that would be great.

Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town.

Scott on the other hand does not make an appearance in sulfur's filter until 10 minutes before sulfur is about to be lynched. I am starting to like the possibility of sulfur attempting to wifom Scott/oats. Sulfur's read on Damdred is also suspicious.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:42 GMT
#1930
Sulfur's strategy d1 is getting on my wagon asap and townreading the other people who voted and stayed on my wagon. Sulfur is "rewarding" n00b and ruxxar with town reads because they are pushing an agenda that benefits him. Sulfur does not need to reward his scum mates to get them to push his agenda, they do it for free.

K now I'm about to possibly get controversial. Re-reading sulfur's filter again, oats is town. I will show you why with sulfur's oats case:
On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.

I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts)

Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:46 GMT
#1931
so townies are very likely to be:
Batsnacks
Oats
Ruxxar
Rels
Kickstart
Wave

Mafia is:
Scott
Damdred

If I need to I will make a meta case on Damdred. Did I miss anyone?
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:49 GMT
#1934
On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote:
So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch.


You should really read what I said. Unless there's someone I missed I'm considering this game solved.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 18:56 GMT
#1937
I forgot about trfel. Where I'm at now it's some combination of Scott, Trfel, Damdred. Scott I'm more or less sure of, I can probably figure out who it is between Damdred and trfel if I think about it more later.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 19:36 GMT
#1943
I just remembered that sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him.

Scott/Damdred final answer.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1954
On June 19 2015 04:54 Rels wrote:
batsnacks is your vote of scott only from POE ?


Yes. I think my POE is strong.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 20:08 GMT
#1958
On June 19 2015 05:06 Rels wrote:
OK so the only way scott has to defend himself is to convince you that someone you think townie is suspicious right ?


Scott shouldn't waste his time appealing to me, I won't stop voting him for the rest of the game.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 21:14 GMT
#1969
On June 19 2015 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:53 Kickstart wrote:
I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/

I have a problem with this personally. It makes perfect sense to me for this reason exactly. Damdred could simply be playing the 'solo' mafia and pocketing specific players. A hard defense of a player when no one else is out for it fits the bill pretty well. Especially given that it's the 'strong' players. Did the same for batsnacks.

I actually think Damdred might be scum here. Sitting back completely flying under the radar is NOT how Damdred plays, I just played a game where he was town and I was scum and it was not like this.

I also still need to hear back from Oats regarding my earlier question.

As far as the wagon on Scott I'm not sure how I feel about it.


Did you read my posts? I thought they were pretty compelling.
batsnacks
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June 18 2015 23:56 GMT
#1980
6/8 people voting for scott

I say scott shouldn't waste his time appealing to me.

First thing scott does:

appeal to me.

Brilliant
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 00:14 GMT
#1983
On June 19 2015 08:57 scott31337 wrote:
Exactly


Your response was awful btw, not there was necessarily was a correct response which is why I said not to bother. I get that you have to play to your win condition and not just flat out say "I'm mafia." When you are trying to create a compelling response to someone who believes they have strong evidence against you, telling them that you don't see any evidence at all is never going to be productive. Obviously I believe I have strong evidence against you, if it is in fact weak you wouldn't have any problem convincing everyone but me that I'm wrong, which is the approach you should take: convincing others that my evidence is not as strong as I think it is.

Anyway none of this is relevant for this game because you will get lynched today and I'm confident enough that you're mafia that no defense you could ever give will ever be enough. Maybe this will be useful to you in the future though.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 00:44 GMT
#1987
On June 19 2015 09:34 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:36 batsnacks wrote:
I just remembered that sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him.

Scott/Damdred final answer.
Despite your conclusion, this is a bad argument.

It's an excellent argument. Mafia sulfur is never hard defending two townies from mafia trfel.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 00:46 GMT
#1988
On June 19 2015 09:44 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 09:34 Trfel wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:36 batsnacks wrote:
I just remembered that sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him.

Scott/Damdred final answer.
Despite your conclusion, this is a bad argument.

It's an excellent argument. Mafia sulfur is never hard defending two townies from mafia trfel.


ebwop ESPECIALLY day 1.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 19 2015 13:30 GMT
#2037
is it too early for me to start flexing?

*bat-flex*
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 13:42 GMT
#2040
On June 19 2015 22:34 ruXxar wrote:
Do you have any more pro tips on food?


1. Put ramen in bowl
2. Put scrambled egg on ramen
3. Put bowl under coffee maker; 2 cups of water
4. Stir in flavor

Optional: make grilled cheese with iron

Hotel food that doesn't cost 50$ per meal.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 14:11 GMT
#2045
Damdred hasn't even flipped in that game ruxxar wtf?
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 14:17 GMT
#2048
"He's ALSO part of the mafia in the Himalayas game..."

"ALSO"

Damdred hasn't flipped in either game. wot is goin on?
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 14:20 GMT
#2050
Oh

You weren't talking about his alignment.

Ok that makes 100000x more sense. But yeah we're not allowed to talk about ongoing games.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 15:10 GMT
#2062
On June 20 2015 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's also something I'm waiting for that's likely to happen later in the day.
Consider the Bat Trap™ set.


Tell me! I promise I won't spoil it.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 15:21 GMT
#2068
If scott flips town I'll lynch damdred/wave.
batsnacks
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United States4466 Posts
June 19 2015 15:38 GMT
#2077
It's... a shovel?
a spade?
a tool?
ummm...
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 19:11 GMT
#2122
Damdred I solved the game and figured out you and Scott were the last mafia. gg
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 20:00 GMT
#2129
On June 20 2015 04:30 Damdred wrote:
It doesn't make oats town imo, its just a classic distancing technique a good bit of scum will use.

Anyway you just acting dumb now bats


It's possible I'm wrong. Disagree that I'm being dumb. I'm not even kynching you today you have 72 whole hours.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 20:13 GMT
#2131
I'll quote some stuff for you when I get home would like your input regardless
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 20:45 GMT
#2133
On June 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote:
Kk sounds good anyway tonight/tommorow I should be able to do a good bit of work


here's the progress I made in more or less chronological order:

  • sulfur's first post was scum reading and voting kickstart. Good knowing he's town. Also good knowing that we were lynching between town and mafia yesterday.

  • Sulfur spends more time d1 townreading ruxx than he does doing anything else. The only think that comes close is pushing my lynch. This could mean that ruxxar is town.

  • Ruxxar voted me for most of d1, sulfurus is probably encouraging ruxxar's vote by townreading him. I don't know if this feels like two mafias.

  • Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town.

  • Scott does not make an appearance in sulfur's filter until 10 minutes before sulfur is about to be lynched. I am starting to like the possibility of sulfur attempting to wifom Scott/oats. Sulfur's read on Damdred is also suspicious.

  • Sulfur's strategy d1 is getting on my wagon asap and townreading the other people who voted and stayed on my wagon. Sulfur is "rewarding" n00b and ruxxar with town reads because they are pushing an agenda that benefits him. Sulfur does not need to reward his scum mates to get them to push his agenda, they do it for free.

  • On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
    K I just realized that Oats is scummy.

    I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts)

    Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town.

    ##Vote: Oatsmaster


    Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town.

  • sulfur hard defended Rels and rux from trfel d1. This is very likely a case of sulfur defending town from town, which he also did with oats and Rels/n00b. If Trfel is mafia sulfur is not going to hard defend two townies from him.

  • so townies are very likely to be:
    Batsnacks
    Oats
    Ruxxar
    Rels
    Kickstart
    trfel

    Mafia is:
    Scott
    Damdred

  • which leaves wave. if scott or damdred is not mafia, then it is wave. wave has lots of stuff that makes him look better than scott and damdred though, so this I think this is unlikely.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 20:59 GMT
#2134
it's not really clear but I'm townreading oats for the bullet point with sulfur's quote about him.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 21:39 GMT
#2138
On June 20 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:
On June 19 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I do want to hear your meta on Damdred that you mentioned.


I second this.

@BS You still haven't explained that.


Completely disregarding meta, scott/damdred are still my votes. It seems unnecessary. And I actually did explain it once this game earlier on.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 21:45 GMT
#2140
On June 20 2015 06:43 Rels wrote:
Alright I feel you, lost all motivation doing a proper scott case when he's going to be lynched anyway.


Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious.


Yeah. If damdred is mafia it's for buddying me and contributing as little as possible.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 21:55 GMT
#2142
It's not super important anyway, I wouldn't be scum reading damdred if that was the only reason I had, that's more of just an interesting observation. Damdred knows I'm easily buddied as town and has used it to his advantage before as mafia. He also knows I have a pretty big range of metas so he is usually constantly suspicious of me as town.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 22:32 GMT
#2146
k somehow I have to be brave and convince everyone to lynch damdred and wave.
batsnacks
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June 19 2015 22:46 GMT
#2148
damdred and wave please keep me alive. I'm sure town will be ultra suspicious of me after geript and scott.
batsnacks
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June 20 2015 00:30 GMT
#2154
I pasted 100% of my thought process regarding my POE. I even did a kind thing and cut and pasted it all into one convenient post with bullet points.

Rather than "hey bats do you have anything else?" or "bats your POE sucks please completely change all of your opinions and perspectives because I don't like them" or "bats is unreachable, I will just ignore him"

why not respond to anything I said with reason?
batsnacks
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June 20 2015 00:39 GMT
#2156
On June 20 2015 09:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:
I pasted 100% of my thought process regarding my POE. I even did a kind thing and cut and pasted it all into one convenient post with bullet points.

Rather than "hey bats do you have anything else?" or "bats your POE sucks please completely change all of your opinions and perspectives because I don't like them" or "bats is unreachable, I will just ignore him"

why not respond to anything I said with reason?

Yeah and since nothing has changed at all in your PoE even though you were clearly wrong on Scott, what I responded with originally still stands:
Show nested quote +

Yeah I've read your 'sulf did this, so town' posts and I'm not particularly enamored of them. I will admit I'm usually not great at reading newbies here so maybe that's why I don't feel like looking into his motivations will yield good results, but to assume that every time Sulf defended someone it makes them town seems a little suspect since there are other cases sulf didn't even comment on due to low activity.


I did not say that every time sulf defended someone it makes them town. I would take your responses more seriously if you were responding to things I actually said instead of making huge, sweeping, wrong generalizations about what I said. I said trfel is likely not mafia because sulfur defended rux and rels from him d1 and I said that oats is likely not mafia because sulfur scum read him for attacking n00b and Rels. That is not the same as townreading everyone that sulfur defended.
batsnacks
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June 20 2015 00:51 GMT
#2158
On June 20 2015 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright, but you clearly missed the point of what I said. Your reasons are seemingly based on whatever your specific ideals are for how Sulfurus played his game when in reality you don't know exactly how he played.

In all of your PoE analysis you essentially assume that Sulfurus does not bus anyone, and never townreads fellow scum mates so only those people omitted from most of his posting entirely must be scum. If you don't see why that's faulty even after Scott got lynched than by all means continue, but don't expect me or anyone else to listen to you any further.


Sulfur's first post about you was a town read. Sulfur scum leans on damdred several times. So you're still just making huge, sweeping, wrong generalizations about my POE. It's not important to me whether or not people listen to me. Not one person has responded to a single thing I said in my POE reads. I'm happy to lead a horse to water it's not my problem if it won't drink.
batsnacks
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June 22 2015 22:18 GMT
#2601
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batsnacks
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June 22 2015 23:14 GMT
#2648
The geript lynch wasn't bad, and it was 100% his own fault, though I can understand that geript is salty he got lynched d1 in a newbie game by batsnacks. geript why do you defend yourself harder after the game is over than you did in the game itself? I made one single post about why you are mafia and some of the argument I used was a misunderstanding of your words, and that was enough to get you lynched.

<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver.
batsnacks
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June 22 2015 23:19 GMT
#2653
Seriously though, geript never gets lynched if he explains calmly and collectedly "no batsnacks, there's been a misunderstanding and this is why" rather than posting donkey pics and shitting himself.
batsnacks
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June 22 2015 23:32 GMT
#2656
On June 23 2015 08:25 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
The geript lynch wasn't bad, and it was 100% his own fault, though I can understand that geript is salty he got lynched d1 in a newbie game by batsnacks. geript why do you defend yourself harder after the game is over than you did in the game itself? I made one single post about why you are mafia and some of the argument I used was a misunderstanding of your words, and that was enough to get you lynched.

<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver.

You're a fucking idiot. Like not even joking I'm policy lynching/shooting you from now on because you're literally only helpful to mafia. There wasn't a misunderstanding of my words. Stop lying. You flat out argued that I slipped that Sulf was maf and Ruxxar or whoever was town. You did that when Wave made an exceptionally similar post. There's not a misunderstanding there. There's just you pushing me for dumbass reasons and people buying dumbass reasons. Also, I'm not defending myself. I'm pointing out how fucking stupid the D1 lynch was. Not even joking, the only worse lynch that I can think of off the top of my head was in the old newbie games where town lynched an unCC'd medic. Why should I defend myself from an argument that literally only idiots would listen to? There's no point. Because if people are buying it, then there's no way I can save myself because I'm surrounded by idiots. So seriously dude. Fuck you. Like I thought that you were a somewhat decent player before; clearly I was exceptionally wrong.


If the reasons were as dumbass as you claim then it shouldn't have been a problem not getting lynched. The "slip" wasn't the only reason people were voting you.

This post would have saved you btw:
On June 23 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia.

Why you chose to post this now and not when it would have mattered... I'm not sure. I can guess why. I would guess it's because you wanted to be lynched for "dumbass" reasons so that you can validate yourself. In a newbie game.
batsnacks
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June 22 2015 23:50 GMT
#2665
I think it would have worked nicely before your flip but ANYWAY I really hope haven't upset you as much as you're making it seem. :/

The lynch is still your fault though. I'm only 1 vote and it was only 1 post... and prior to that post I was pretty much the most scum read person in the game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 23 2015 00:06 GMT
#2671
geript you should join tl mafia LXXI so we can play together again. Release those negative thetans!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 23 2015 00:15 GMT
#2675
On June 23 2015 09:14 geript wrote:
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On June 23 2015 09:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude before the reaction I was like 50/50, after the reaction it was 100% that he's mafia. Town don't react that way to a fake check on them.

Some town do Oats. Not many. But I could see Wave being town on that reaction and I've played with him more than most.


Hey geript, you wanna join tl mafia LXXI: Gaiden? It will be a lot of fun it's a big game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 23 2015 00:18 GMT
#2678
On June 23 2015 09:16 geript wrote:
Still failing at reading and thinking hunh bats?


I'm not sure about that but it will be lots of fun! There's like almost 30 people in that game you'll -barely- notice I'm there. And I think it will be good for you to squash this beef.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 23 2015 00:21 GMT
#2681
On June 23 2015 09:20 geript wrote:
You realize I'm going to lynch you on D1 for being useless to town right?


The game hasn't started yet so your claims about what you will/won't do d1 are purely wifom and can not be trusted. Just join you'll have a good time and maybe if your ass is still sore enough you can get me lynched d1. Anything is possible!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 23 2015 00:40 GMT
#2687
geript you should join the new mafia game. You know it will be fun, lots of people in this game joined.
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