[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1

On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....

Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.

I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.

Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE

On June 03 2015 08:01 NydusHerMain wrote:


If I vote on no one, am I claiming third party? Also, don't you have to prove town to me first?



It's mostly a gut feel. I feel like people who play like he does are hard to read but I also feel like they are not very helpful to town so to me, it's more like a lynch because he'll probably get lynched along the way anyways. If he's mafia great, if he's town, he had it coming.

On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?

On June 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.

On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:



Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D

On June 03 2015 09:42 milo109 wrote:

I didn't. Which is why this is even more frustrating. I was wrong on the statement. But I was not predicting an AFK.

On June 04 2015 08:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so a lot of people have come out and said that they think what I'm saying is devoid of content. With that in mind, I've gone back over all the pages of the game and put together the below. Apologies for the wall of text, but I put it together as I was reading through, so it's going to be a bit stream-of-consciousness-y.

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@Kickstart - You said on your post on page 13 that you found some things scummy, but you were going to wait and see whether they changed. Can you now say what you were talking about?

@Damdred - In your post on page 14 you said that ritoky shouldn't be lynched and that you would "revisit him during the night to make sure". Am I missing a rule here, or did you just come out as the cop? Is it possible that there is even a cop, since Onegu has claimed VT (I assume that's veteran?)?

@Ritoky - You asked me a question on page 15 which I missed, I think. I got a poor read from your initial posts. My (admittedly newbie) view is that a mafia member wouldn't paint themselves all over the first two pages of a thread, especially with things as banal as you did. However, the obvious "next-level" play is to do it as mafia, relying upon everyone thinking that it would be far too weird a play for a non-mafia to make. One thing that struck me was that Kickstart changed his view on you when he said your posting style had improved, even though it hadn't by that point. That was strange to me. You were still posting gifs and one-liners, and I don't think you had really contributed anything of merit. It's not a lot to go on, but it all strikes me as a possible attempt for you to get yourself established as the harmless town clown, which naturally sucks all of the venom out of your accusers. Then again, later on I've already said earlier in the thread that Kickstarter's opening post was not to my taste. If I had to say, I'd say I have you both as slight-mafia reads. As to your question about VE and Chocolate, I think I answered that later. Sorry for not spotting your question until now.

@Onegu - Can you explain to me why you would claim the special town role (VT) so early on? Doesn't that just make you an easy take-out for the mafia, since nobody (except Damdred?) has counter-claimed you?

Having seen more of milo's posts, I'm leaning back towards null. We honestly didn't have that much to go on at the start, and I think his reference to being okay with lynching was probably just a slip. His recent posts strike me as the most genuinely typed things (ie don't read as being written with an agenda).

I've made a list of all of the positive and negative things that people have said so far, and the person I come out most closely aligned to is Nydus, which I guess would make him my biggest town read. Specifically, Nydus has voiced suspicions on Kickstart and ritoky, which I share. He has also been suspicious of Damdred, and I have to agree with that. Whereas Kickstarter is coming across more as a traffic cop, I think Damdred seems too keen to infuse his posts with a sense of "I am town, no arguing", which seems off to me. VE's posts have the same tone to me. When Damdred got pushed on page 28, he reacted very viciously ("this is shit!"), which doesn't read to me as frustration (which a townie would have), but more like faux-righteous anger (which is more scummy). I also, as I stated before, generally agree with Chocolate as well, which puts him more towards town for me.

However, after all of that, I see on page 27 that Kickstarter has the same view of Nydus as me, and also seems similarly critical of Damdred. So now I'm not sure what to believe.

On June 04 2015 09:23 Onegu wrote:



This guy blue or scum

On June 04 2015 11:17 Chocolate wrote:

this post is scummy as hell and just screams to me that you're just trying to survive

On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.

My points had value, he did do questionable,things .

Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting

On June 05 2015 23:19 NydusHerMain wrote:


"I would never do that as mafia"

On June 07 2015 21:21 NydusHerMain wrote:


Not good enough for an onegu town read at all... I still see him scummy.

P.S. I'm leaving in about 4 hours and I don't know when I'll be back. I'll make votes and small comments on my phone if I can but I might not be here for EoD.

On June 07 2015 21:39 NydusHerMain wrote:


The nydus rule just dictates that you're scummy.

On June 09 2015 08:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Where did I say I wanted to lynch you? I can't read you well, and I'd probably vote for you over milo, but at the moment I'm questioning everything. But yes, if I had to give a list, it would be:

Town: milo
Null: Chocolate, NHM, VE, Damdred
Mafia: Scott, TT
Policy: Onegu

I recognise that's very "middle of the road" of me, I'm just struggling.

On June 11 2015 02:46 milo109 wrote:
Scott. You honestly think that I saw a soft, prewrote an unvote, and then just started refreshing the page every 15 seconds hoping he would claim?