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Ok found the thread about Chezinu stuff, I'll start looking it over now...
Any advice on what I should pay attn to to help me understand GG's thinking here?
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On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read? I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on. Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks. Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch.
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On June 05 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:19 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is? Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal? I haven't had a chance to check into it myself. Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that.
Ah... what does the rule say if I was responding in an equally trolly manner?
My reaction was far from "Screw this, ##VOTE" was much more "Ok, lets play ##VOTE"
I had a similar reaction to Onegu.
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On June 05 2015 04:25 Tictock wrote:
Ok found the thread about Chezinu stuff, I'll start looking it over now...
Any advice on what I should pay attn to to help me understand GG's thinking here?
my previous post is a summary of it.
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On June 05 2015 04:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2015 04:19 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is? Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal? I haven't had a chance to check into it myself. Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that. Ah... what does the rule say if I was responding in an equally trolly manner? My reaction was far from "Screw this, ##VOTE" was much more "Ok, lets play ##VOTE" I had a similar reaction to Onegu.
the chezinu rule only accounts for first poster, not for the sentiment or thought behind why person did it.
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If you recall I unvoted you (well I never REALLY voted) in this manner
On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. ![[image loading]](http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/mrcrapinson/GregFart.gif~original) Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too... ##UnvoteEven if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?
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On June 05 2015 04:28 Tictock wrote:If you recall I unvoted you (well I never REALLY voted) in this manner Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too... ##UnvoteEven if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?
it's not my read, i am just trying to explain templar's read to you since you don't seem to understand where it is coming from.
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Ok, so then I think my comment about him being tunneled is fairly valid then?
Like he's simply going off the fact that I responded to you being trolly, not why or how...
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Also given that this is not my first game here I'm pretty sure I've had the "Chezinu Experience" before..
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On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment.
This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?
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...im not really tunneled?
I just think your scummy and I want my lynch
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On June 05 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?
I'm ok with ls or ks tbh
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i am very close to voting with you here.
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uhhh wtf ks?
On June 05 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?
very good point
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Damdred you really have a hardon for me that isn't at all justified. Can you name your specific issues with me and why you think I am scummy and perhaps I could address them. I say you are being useless because you've been tunneling me from the get go and while you have looked around for support in this stance you have yet to get any. So I think the fact that you are so focused on me that it is keeping you from thinking about all the other things going on is a hindrance, to the town and to you if you are town. I see it like this at the moment, you are either misguided town tunneling the fuck out of me just because I had a lot to say about your play, or you are mafia and you find tunneling me instead of giving detailed thoughts on other matters the easiest thing to do. As I said, you claimed that this is how you play Day1 (sitting back and gathering information), I will give you the benefit of the doubt as this isn't entirely unreasonable. If we get into Day2 and I still read you the same way, then I will have major issues because I have given you the benefit of the doubt and you have not held up your promise, in my eyes. This is what I have said on you from the beginning. I could make more snarky comments but I don't find it productive at this point in time. So, what are your issues with me and other than me who would you lynch.
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On June 05 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?
Read my filter. SL is still quite scummy, but we don't have near enough to work with as with others. I had him on my scum list from the start, but my initial suspicions were somewhat pacified when TT told me that my concerns were just how SL always played (he said that in his previous games he had the exact same issues with SL that I had here, but that in his previous game SL had always been town), this I kind of laid off of SL from then. However, SL then coming in and going "HEY GUYS I DONT CARE ABOUT PLAYING NOW AND AM JUST GONNA LURK" is pretty shitty, and if I am still in the game in a few cycles I would never allow him to get towards 'endgame', but, we have a lot to work with and I think there is more to go on with other people at this point in time.
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you on computer or phone damdred? gimme the best consolidated case you can
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also VE, where did you go?
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I can see there is a push to try and move on me, I already asked for your concerns about me so I can address them. Now that there is seeming support from ritocky, can you two (and whoever else has concerns) present them so I can address them?
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